Toronto is in big trouble... Matthews's injury is still there. Surgery incoming?

[Leaf Fans]

You literally just said “he would have no choice in the matter”

Yes, he does not get to choose to go on LTIR- there is a league process. They don't ask him to agree.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He might though. The NHL has to approve the medicals for all LTIR cases. If the player is saying he is ok to play it makes it really tough to justify LTIR unless it’s something major, which this doesn’t sound like. If Matthews says he can play and it’s just a discomfort thing it’ll be hard to present an LTIR case without his consent.

Yes, a player has to be injured to be on LTIR regardless what the player says- they won't just take his word for it. There is a process.

 

[Strangle]

Lmao i didn’t make up anything… you said they were adding $13M worth of players, how would they do that unless he went on LTIR?

That wasn’t what the meat of your statement was. You were commenting that Matthews somehow choosing to go on LTIR made him a bad captain.

That’s you making shit up

 

[Nogatco Rd]

That wasn’t what the meat of your statement was. You were commenting that Matthews somehow choosing to go on LTIR made him a bad captain.

That’s you making shit up

if a guy that’s otherwise healthy enough to play is put on LTIR for the rest of the year so his team can add $13M worth of players, I’d question either

1. his leadership if he agrees to it
Or
2. the wisdom of the management that LTIR’s him if he doesn’t want to be

That is my OPINION. I am not making any factual statement, therefore I am not “making shit up.”

Please keep up.

 

[the valiant effort]

Best depth forward group of the last 25 years?

 

[Strangle]

i would be even more concerned if my team's leader and star player was cool with being shut down for the rest of the year just so they could add a few more players for the playoffs. what an inspiring captain

This is what you wrote, which I responded to

if a guy that’s otherwise healthy enough to play is put on LTIR for the rest of the year so his team can add $13M worth of players, I’d question either

1. his leadership if he agrees to it
Or
2. the wisdom of the management that LTIR’s him if he doesn’t want to be

That is my OPINION. I am not making any factual statement, therefore I am not “making shit up.”

Please keep up.

I think you’re lost, dude. Take a nap

You’re making up that Matthews is A) healthy (he’s not) and B) he can ‘agree’ to go on LTIR

You’re a mess

 

[Leafs87]

if a guy that’s otherwise healthy enough to play is put on LTIR for the rest of the year so his team can add $13M worth of players, I’d question either

1. his leadership if he agrees to it
Or
2. the wisdom of the management that LTIR’s him if he doesn’t want to be

That is my OPINION. I am not making any factual statement, therefore I am not “making shit up.”

Please keep up.

Curious what your thoughts on Mark Stones leadership is?

 

[Nogatco Rd]

y

This is what you wrote, which I responded to



I think you’re lost, dude. Take a nap

You’re making up that Matthews is A) healthy (he’s not) and B) he can ‘agree’ to go on LTIR

You’re a mess

funny that you’re leaving out that I was responding to your comment which suggested LTIR in the first place.. whatever punisher guy I’m outta here

 

[Leafs87]

I can think 13.25 million reasons his comfort wouldn’t be my top priority if he was cleared to play.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Best depth forward group of the last 25 years?

We are top of the division without the best goal scorer in hockey....and no depth scoring. Turn that into a negative somehow lmao

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Curious what your thoughts on Mark Stones leadership is?

I think teams that use LTIR to load up for the playoffs are pathetic and it’s a tacit admission you couldn’t get it done under the salary cap.

As for Mark Stone, I have no idea what his role in that was; i.e., whether he was malingering as a willing participant. If so then yeah that would be shitty leadership, and at odds with my prior perception of him as a player — I have no idea whether or not that was the case though.

 

[Matty Sundin]

The games he missed in the playoffs last year, we actually played our best hockey and would finished the Bruins in 5 if we played like that. I can’t say we’re better without him, it’s ridiculous to say we’re better without a near 70 goal scorer in the line up. Other players do seem to step up though without him in the line up and tend to appear playing more loose.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I think teams that use LTIR to load up for the playoffs are pathetic and it’s a tacit admission you couldn’t get it done under the salary cap.

As for Mark Stone, I have no idea what his role in that was; i.e., whether he was malingering as a willing participant. If so then yeah that would be shitty leadership, and at odds with my prior perception of him as a player — I have no idea whether or not that was the case though.

Personally I’d say the big leadership failing is the nhl not addressing this- I don’t blame a player for doing what it takes to win, the league is f***ing dumb for allowing it. Easy fixes exist, ah well.

Anyway, do we know what Matthews is dealing with? Back? Feels like dude is always dealing with somethin.

 

[BlueAzN]

Best depth forward group of the last 25 years?

Hey thats not fair! Youre using hard objective facts!

 

[The Shadow]

1st in the Atlantic

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Solo first in the Atlantic. Still in deep deep trouble of course.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

Waive him

 

[The90]

Best depth forward group of the last 25 years?

Montreal was always the depth forward group no?

No top line mind you, but depth baby. Or, Carey price

 

[ron hubbard]

leafs have won just one playoff series in the last 20 years. they've always been in trouble. 10-5 so far without him.

 

[MCR74]

We are top of the division without the best goal scorer in hockey....and no depth scoring. Turn that into a negative somehow lmao

Never change, HF, never change.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Best depth forward group of the last 25 years?

Doesn't tell the whole story. Leafs had a month of insane injuries and guys playing through injuries trying to buy time for other guys to get healthy (like Domi) before he was shut down and is a different player once back and healthy. And they did a good job of surviving that and getting some contributions.

Leafs have an actual third line right now with healthy McMann - Domi - Robertson, Knies is still young and hot and cold but a beast, And Patches is a legit top 6 forward.

All in all, this post has no substance. Made to look like the team has had no depth scoring when in reality they have had a lot of players coming and going, guys in weird spots, and have only in the last month been able to set their lines and hey what do you know, they are scoring.

(Also now post our goaltending stats since you want to point out how the team is doing. HF avoiding this conversation as much as they can)

 

[HockeyVirus]

Solo first in the Atlantic. Still in deep deep trouble of course.

Damnit I was coming to post this again.

BTW since we are posting stats in this thread the Leafs are not only 1st in the division but also

- 1st in GA/game
- 1st in RW
- 1st in team save%, expected goals against, and many other goaltending statistics

And all of this is without our best player. If anything, this is the most potential the Leafs team has ever had. A mid division for the first time since we drafted our core, cap space to add at the deadline for the first time without having to pay draft picks for 3 teams to retain 50%, and a legit coaching staff.

Haters are scared.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Damnit I was coming to post this again.

BTW since we are posting stats in this thread the Leafs are not only 1st in the division but also

- 1st in GA/game
- 1st in RW
- 1st in team save%, expected goals against, and many other goaltending statistics

And all of this is without our best player. If anything, this is the most potential the Leafs team has ever had. A mid division for the first time since we drafted our core, cap space to add at the deadline for the first time without having to pay draft picks for 3 teams to retain 50%, and a legit coaching staff.

Haters are scared.

Go get that Presidents trophy!!

 

[HockeyVirus]

Go get that Presidents trophy!!

Don't care about that. Care about being 1st in the division/conference because it means instead of getting the Boston/Tampa(who at least they can beat but still elite)/Panthers round 1 they might get the Senators or another weaker team which is massive.

This is where you get the lame chirps about Habs when the core was 23 years old. This is a team that is built to go deep, has experience in every position, has a coaching staff who have won before. This is unironically their year.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Don't care about that. Care about being 1st in the division/conference because it means instead of getting the Boston/Tampa(who at least they can beat but still elite)/Panthers round 1 they might get the Senators or another weaker team which is massive.

This is where you get the lame chirps about Habs when the core was 23 years old. This is a team that is built to go deep, has experience in every position, has a coaching staff who have won before. This is unironically their year.

I agree but goaltending still is a big mystery come playoff time.
Stolarz and Woll just don't have any, just 8 GP combined between the two that is