Proposal: Toronto - Goes all in

[Ledge And Dairy]

No he's not this is his 1st year as a true #1

So we just pretending last year didnt exist?

 

[Jared Dunn]

Gibson is an established #1

Look at Saros' numbers the last two years and even throughout his entire career and tell me how he hasn't established himself. Having to share crease for so long with the franchise's current best goalie ever isn't an argument against him

 

[Jared Dunn]

Saros is better, cheaper and less injury prone.

I was about to say "well, don't think that cheaper argument is gonna hold water very long" but didn't realize he resigned at 5 AAV what a joke lmao that's the best goalie deal in the league

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Look at Saros' numbers the last two years and even throughout his entire career and tell me how he hasn't established himself. Having to share crease for so long with the franchise's current best goalie ever isn't an argument against him

Yes it is because it means until this year he wasn't able to fully take the reigns.

This is the 1st year where he is the undisputed #1 guy.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yes it is because it means until this year he wasn't able to fully take the reigns.

This is the 1st year where he is the undisputed #1 guy.

He was literally 6th in Vezina voting last year and was on a significantly worse squad than the goalies ahead of him, just loudly and proudly wrong out here

 

[Andrewcoursol]

These deals are made on the basis the leafs decide to forget the future and go for it now this year and next. Leafs want to go all in for this and next season these are the deals I was looking at. Let me know comments and if the value/fit is not there for VAN/ARZ/NSH.

Trade 1: Add a top 30 player in the league and a bit of depth

Toronto: JT Miller@50%, Luke Schenn

To Van: Justin Holl(cap piece), Nic Robertson (top 30 prospect league wide), Topi Niemela (top 50 prospect league wide) and 2022 2nd, 2024 2nd/B Propsect (Kokkonen, Kral, Steeves)

Leafs give up 2 A- prospects, and either 2 top 64 picks in the next 3 years or 1 top 64 pick and a B prospect. Holl is a vet who the Canucks can either keep and look at seeing if he fits on the team or move in the offseason for a mid round pick or two

Trade 2: Add a #2D for both the now and future

To Toronto: Jacob Chychuran

To Arizona: Rasmus Sandin, Toronto 2022 1st, and 2023 2nd

Leafs give up our best/2nd best young NHL player (non Core players, as those guys while young are established now as a top 3ish player, a top 20ish player and a top 50ish player) a top 32 pick and another top 64 pick. The Yotes would have our 2023 and most likely 2025 2nd for the Lyub trade giving.

Trade 3: Get a goalie with term whose proven to be elite.

To Toronto: Saros

To Preds: Mrazek, 2023 1st and 2024 1st

Leafs give 2 1sts for a goalie but both are hopefully in the 25+ pick range and not 18-25 range. Saros is proven to be elite and is one of the best in the league. Has 3 years term after this at only 5M. We also move on from Mrazek. Preds get to add for a retool if they choose to go that route and they have Askarov for the very near future making the loss of Saros bearable.

Leafs roster after these deals for the 2022 playoffs

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - JT - JT Miller
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kase
Engvall - Kampf - Spezza

Rielly - Brodie
Chychuran - Lilijgren
Muzzin* - Lyubushkin

Saros
Campbell

Scratches: Dermott/Schenn/Simmonds/Clifford

With Muzzin on LTIR it works capwise with Simmond and Clifford to Taxi squad. Come playoffs with the cap not counting we can run Muzzin in the team as our 3LHD.

This team on paper has little holes and would be close to 2019-2021 Tampa on paper in terms of superstar quality, depth, defensive quality and goaltending excellence

Tavares?

 

[Irie]

This feels like the "Greatest Hits" of all the Toronto proposals of the past week that did not go over very well individually, rolled into one convenient location.

Now we only have to click one link to read our daily dose of flaming. Thank you

 

[Bob Barker]

Price ( and evaluation) ain’t right.
Someone needs to gets spayed or neutered

Can't see Detroit fans getting on board for that. Or Wild fans for that matter
My apologies of this was suppose to have been read in green

I'm not sure if the fact that the sarcasm was unclear is more of an indictment on the Leafs' fanbase or this message board in general haha. But no, of course the price is WRONG to be clear.

 

[beachcomber]

That Garland guy seems to be doing pretty well. Yotes miss him more than you know

I get that but they don't need more. Playoff hockey is a different beast as the soft Leaf players find out every year.

 

[beachcomber]

These deals are made on the basis the leafs decide to forget the future and go for it now this year and next. Leafs want to go all in for this and next season these are the deals I was looking at. Let me know comments and if the value/fit is not there for VAN/ARZ/NSH.

Trade 1: Add a top 30 player in the league and a bit of depth

Toronto: JT Miller@50%, Luke Schenn

To Van: Justin Holl(cap piece), Nic Robertson (top 30 prospect league wide), Topi Niemela (top 50 prospect league wide) and 2022 2nd, 2024 2nd/B Propsect (Kokkonen, Kral, Steeves)

Switch Motte for Miller and it seems more realistic.

 

[Soundgarden]

We're not trading a Vezina caliber goalie in the middle of a playoff push for a couple late firsts and a .897 goalie. Get lost.

This thread and it's shitty takes on Saros is offensive.

 

[TBF1972]

Well that's obviously not the truth. We do have the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league who would bring back Saros++ if leafs ever did trade him

I accept though the value isn't enough. Saros is elite so probably costs a 2 top 10 picks if a team was willing to sell high quality ELC talent to get him.

i seriously doubt that you find any hockey fan outside of the toronto fan base, who supports this opinion.

 

[Soundgarden]

Trade 3: Get a goalie with term whose proven to be elite.

To Toronto: Saros

To Preds: Mrazek, 2023 1st and 2024 1st

Leafs give 2 1sts for a goalie but both are hopefully in the 25+ pick range and not 18-25 range. Saros is proven to be elite and is one of the best in the league.

Yes, Saros is elite and one of the best in the league, which is why he's not going to be available for a pick in the 25+ range. 35 year old Jeff Petry and Ben Chariot are rumored to go for a 1st at the deadline, you better up your game for a Vezina caliber goalie in his prime.

We also move on from Mrazek.

If Toronto wants to move on from Mrazek then what makes you think Nashville would want him? Christ, at least offer us Cambell to offset the loss of Saros. You aren't even thinking about the other team in the slightest.

Preds get to add for a retool if they choose to go that route

We already did go that route. We got rid of Arvidsson, Ellis, Jarnkrok and Rinne and brought in Jeannot, Tomasino, Carrier and Rittich/Ingram.

and they have Askarov for the very near future making the loss of Saros bearable.

Askarov is 1-3 years from coming over and 4-7+ years from sniffing Saros' current play, if at all.

 

[bernmeister]

These deals are made on the basis the leafs decide to forget the future and go for it now this year and next. Leafs want to go all in for this and next season these are the deals I was looking at. Let me know comments and if the value/fit is not there for VAN/ARZ/NSH.

Trade 1: Add a top 30 player in the league and a bit of depth

Toronto: JT Miller@50%, Luke Schenn

To Van: Justin Holl(cap piece), Nic Robertson (top 30 prospect league wide), Topi Niemela (top 50 prospect league wide) and 2022 2nd, 2024 2nd/B Propsect (Kokkonen, Kral, Steeves)

Leafs give up 2 A- prospects, and either 2 top 64 picks in the next 3 years or 1 top 64 pick and a B prospect. Holl is a vet who the Canucks can either keep and look at seeing if he fits on the team or move in the offseason for a mid round pick or two

Trade 2: Add a #2D for both the now and future

To Toronto: Jacob Chychuran

To Arizona: Rasmus Sandin, Toronto 2022 1st, and 2023 2nd

Leafs give up our best/2nd best young NHL player (non Core players, as those guys while young are established now as a top 3ish player, a top 20ish player and a top 50ish player) a top 32 pick and another top 64 pick. The Yotes would have our 2023 and most likely 2025 2nd for the Lyub trade giving.

Trade 3: Get a goalie with term whose proven to be elite.

To Toronto: Saros

To Preds: Mrazek, 2023 1st and 2024 1st

Leafs give 2 1sts for a goalie but both are hopefully in the 25+ pick range and not 18-25 range. Saros is proven to be elite and is one of the best in the league. Has 3 years term after this at only 5M. We also move on from Mrazek. Preds get to add for a retool if they choose to go that route and they have Askarov for the very near future making the loss of Saros bearable.

Leafs roster after these deals for the 2022 playoffs

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - JT - JT Miller
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kase
Engvall - Kampf - Spezza

Rielly - Brodie
Chychuran - Lilijgren
Muzzin* - Lyubushkin

Saros
Campbell

Scratches: Dermott/Schenn/Simmonds/Clifford

With Muzzin on LTIR it works capwise with Simmond and Clifford to Taxi squad. Come playoffs with the cap not counting we can run Muzzin in the team as our 3LHD.

This team on paper has little holes and would be close to 2019-2021 Tampa on paper in terms of superstar quality, depth, defensive quality and goaltending excellence

do they still have taxi squads, or was that just temporary earlier this yr?

 

[Mrfenn92]

do they still have taxi squads, or was that just temporary earlier this yr?

Taxi squads ended once the all star break happened

 

[hamzarocks]

do they still have taxi squads, or was that just temporary earlier this yr?

I saw on capfriendly there was the option for taxi squad so assumed that was up to date and applied. Could be outdated and not true anymore

 

[bernmeister]

Taxi squads ended once the all star break happened

I saw on capfriendly there was the option for taxi squad so assumed that was up to date and applied. Could be outdated and not true anymore

thank you I was being diplomatic

 

[CatchyTune]

The Saros trade is the most unrealistic move here. 2 players rumored to be available and someone with no talk at all.

Going all in doesnt make sense. No team ever just trades every single pick prospect and valuable young player.

The core apart from Tavares is still very young. I think they plan to have a future along with a present.

 

[Sniped90]

Well, there is a cap.

Exactly and theres no way tml fit those players in

 

[dj Mahoney]

Leaf's need someone that can block a beach ball.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Exactly and theres no way tml fit those players in

Maybe, but I was responding to the poster who thought there was no cap.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

All these trades are very bad for everyone except the Leafs. Hard passes all around from the other teams involved without a doubt

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why stop here? Could still probably use another D.

Matthew Knies is from Arizona which is reasonably close to Vegas. Knies (UNDERRATED, easily Vegas top prospect) for Zach Whitecloud and Alec Martinez (Leafs stash until playoffs on LTIR)

Too many LD so flip Chychrun to Detroit for Seider.

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Seider
Martinez-Whitecloud

Also might want to restock the cupboards after all these deals. Lybushkin is a bit overkill, so trade him back to Arizona for Victor Soderstrom (BUST but take a chance on him).

Before he got mono in his draft year, Liljegren was a potential top 5 pick. Looking for a top F prospect in return. Minnesota has lots of forward prospects, so they will trade Marco Rossi for him.

I think this would set up Toronto well now and in the future. With these deals, they might actually be able to push Tampa to 6 games in Round 1

Hope this is meant as Because Seider is already country miles better then Jakob Chychrun and it's not even close. in his first season Seider is on pace for 61 points and he's far superior defensive wise over Chychrun.

 

[rabbit4949]

is it possible for some of you folks to include some sort of emoji when you make a post dripping with sarcasm? It would shorten a number of threads and prevent a run on painkillers.

 

[Sniped90]

Maybe, but I was responding to the poster who thought there was no cap.

That was me. I was saying that in a ton like yeah if there was no cap sure you could fit them on your team.