Proposal: Toronto Goaltending Shakeup

[ACC1224]

Need to factor in the Matthews/Andersen bromance.

Do you risk pissing off your franchise player?

Petty, probably, but food for thought.

Non factor, IMO.

 

[Chrispy]

That was over a decade ago. I'm sure the cane's have gotten over it.

But why would you trade for a rental who has already spurned signing with you once?

Maybe you could rationalize dealing for Anderson signed long-term. But giving up a 1st to rent a player who avoided signing with you once already is unwise.

If they want to upgrade on Mrazek/Reimer they will sign one of the UFAs and then probably trade Reimer to someone looking for a bargain salary after July 1. With a final year of $850K salary and a $3.4M cap hit, someone close to the floor would be interested in Reimer as a backup.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Was looking to switch the leafs goaltending situation. Current we have Andersen who has had a bit of a down year. He is signed for one more year at 5 million before becoming a UFA. I don't want the leafs to committ money long term to Andy as I dont think it is wise paying goaltenders big bucks past the age of 30.

The deals I would propose are the following

Trade 1

To Carolina: Frederik Andersen

To Toronto: Carolina/Toronto 2020 1st(whichever one the rangers dont get) and a 2021 conditional 2nd round pick (becomes a 3rd if Andersen walks as a free agent).

Carolina only really has one major weakness and that would be goaltending. Through this trade they aquire a legit proven top 10 goalie in the league. They have 3 goalies on the roster if including Andy so would need to move/buyout mrazek or reimer

Leafs re-coup some picks in next couple of drafts and take a firm stance against signing a older goalie to a long term deal.

Trade 2:

To Toronto: Jake Allen@50%

To St louis: Emil Rasanen + 2022 4th round pick

The Blues get to clear 2+ million in cap by dealing Allen. They can use that space to get a deal done for Pietrangelo. They have a solid enough backup option in the AHL in Husso.

Leafs get a 1 year rental goalie having a great season as a back up. I think Allen can play 40-45 games and give league average goaltending. Him along with Campbell who can give great 1B numbers in 35ish starts should form a strong duo for the leafs. The two combine for caphits of less than 3.8 million. The leafs end up saving 2.8ish million dollars on their goaltending duo. This money can be used to get a UFA defender like tanev/edmunson and just overall provides more cap flexibility.

Do these trades seem fair for the teams involved? Lots of leaf fans would prefer to keep Andy and sign him but I think looking for a trade this summer might be the best option for the team.

This is awful, trading Andersen and replacing him with Allen is an awful idea

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Non factor, IMO.

No it's not, not pissing off your franchise player HAS to be a factor

 

[ACC1224]

No it's not, not pissing off your franchise player HAS to be a factor

Implying it wouldn't be something that would piss him off enough to be a factor. Marleau leaving hasn't seemed to have much of an effect.

Now if the trade is butchered and the Team becomes much worse, that could have an effect.

 

[13pacheco31]

But why would you trade for a rental who has already spurned signing with you once?

Maybe you could rationalize dealing for Anderson signed long-term. But giving up a 1st to rent a player who avoided signing with you once already is unwise.

If they want to upgrade on Mrazek/Reimer they will sign one of the UFAs and then probably trade Reimer to someone looking for a bargain salary after July 1. With a final year of $850K salary and a $3.4M cap hit, someone close to the floor would be interested in Reimer as a backup.

The rental dilemma is a whole separate issue, but just cause a player refused to sign with you like 10 years ago, doesn't mean either party is holding a grudge. As far as giving up a first for one year of a proven goalie? Who knows what these GM's are thinking

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Implying it wouldn't be something that would piss him off enough to be a factor. Marleau leaving hasn't seemed to have much of an effect.

Now if the trade is butchered and the Team becomes much worse, that could have an effect.

Which would happen because beyond Andersen there isn't shit in the system, that's why when people say they can't afford to sign Freddy I say they have no choice, because Campbell is a good backup but he IS a backup.

Scott and Woll wouldn't have been ready in a year anyway even if they could play now they can't so development has stalled.

As it stands you keep Freddy because you have no choice

 

[ACC1224]

Which would happen because beyond Andersen there isn't shit in the system, that's why when people say they can't afford to sign Freddy I say they have no choice, because Campbell is a good backup but he IS a backup.

Scott and Woll wouldn't have been ready in a year anyway even if they could play now they can't so development has stalled.

As it stands you keep Freddy because you have no choice

I guess I misunderstood. Thought you were saying he wouldn't be moved for fear of upsetting Matthews.

After messing up the backup situation so badly, Dubas won't risk doing the same with the starter.

 

[rent free]

Thankfully we have Jack Campbell one of the best backups and probably ready to be a 1A/1B

Campbell isn't one of the best backups and Andersen provides security in net and won't cost a whole lot to re-sign.

 

[13pacheco31]

Campbell isn't one of the best backups and Andersen provides security in net and won't cost a whole lot to re-sign.

I think its fair to say he's been exceptional as a back up

 

[rent free]

I think its fair to say he's been exceptional as a back up

I don't think so. He's got pretty good, but not great numbers. 2.65 GAA and a .915 SV% is nothing to brag about

 

[ACC1224]

I think its fair to say he's been exceptional as a back up

Yep, only complaint it two years too late.

 

[Srsly]

I’m not convinced it’s time to move on from Andersen and even if I was, I don’t believe Allen to be an upgrade.Our blue line was without Rielly and Muzzin for considerable parts of the season and they’re more or less the only experienced top four defensemen on the roster(other than Barrie who is an offensive specialist).

Campbell also performed well enough for the Leafs this season and with the Kings for the past few years that I’d be willing to give him a chance before trading for a 4.5million dollar backup that has faltered when given the given the starting role in St Louis.

I also disagree with 30 being too old to sign a goaltender. Goalies historically don’t even hit their prime until their late 20s and are more likely to perform well in their 30s than forwards. Yes, it’s not a sure thing and not everyone is Tim Thomas, but he’s 30 and not 38.

 

[Ainsy01]

Trading your MVP for the last 3 years for a goalie in Jake Allen that has been beaten by every back up hes ever had, to re-coup a late first round pick.

Why do the leafs do this.

Sign Freddie for 5 more years is the only play they should have in their book.

 

[ACC1224]

Trading your MVP for the last 3 years for a goalie in Jake Allen that has been beaten by every back up hes ever had, to re-coup a late first round pick.

Why do the leafs do this.

Sign Freddie for 5 more years is the only play they should have in their book.

I believe the OP is looking trade Andersen not Marner.

 

[TheNewEra]

if the leafs want to make their goaltending worse during their cup window that is fine by me

Freddy deserves an extension. Leafs should trade some cap from their forward group, boot ceci to the sun, sign at least a #3 defenseman and go from there.

The leafs have a really good forward group, pretty good goaltending, they just have horrible defense (defensively). Fix that and you are good to go. You dont even need to 'fix it' per say just make it average at least.

Seriously you cannot fault Andersen for his numbers when you willingly traded for Ceci...

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

I still remember a debate here with Leafs fans telling me how awesome Andersen is and I thought he sucked. You need to improve that defense before goaltending.

 

[rent free]

if the leafs want to make their goaltending worse during their cup window that is fine by me

Freddy deserves an extension. Leafs should trade some cap from their forward group, boot ceci to the sun, sign at least a #3 defenseman and go from there.

The leafs have a really good forward group, pretty good goaltending, they just have horrible defense (defensively). Fix that and you are good to go. You dont even need to 'fix it' per say just make it average at least.

Seriously you cannot fault Andersen for his numbers when you willingly traded for Ceci...

Defensively, the leafs have been around average since Keefe took over. I hope that translates into next season though. That would go along way.

 

[ACC1224]

if the leafs want to make their goaltending worse during their cup window that is fine by me

Freddy deserves an extension. Leafs should trade some cap from their forward group, boot ceci to the sun, sign at least a #3 defenseman and go from there.

The leafs have a really good forward group, pretty good goaltending, they just have horrible defense (defensively). Fix that and you are good to go. You dont even need to 'fix it' per say just make it average at least.

Seriously you cannot fault Andersen for his numbers when you willingly traded for Ceci...

They didn't trade for Ceci.

 

[13pacheco31]

I don't think so. He's got pretty good, but not great numbers. 2.65 GAA and a .915 SV% is nothing to brag about

Well if you're basing his performance off of 6 games, its easy for numbers to get skewed. He's given the leafs a chance to win in every games he's played in and even stole a game for them. He's had a rough year in LA which I wouldn't entirely put on him that has dragged his numbers down

 

[TheNewEra]

Defensively, the leafs have been around average since Keefe took over. I hope that translates into next season though. That would go along way.

You guys would know better than me. I am basing it off a few games that I saw.

Reilly-Muzzin
Dermott

It looks like you guys have 3 slots available. Replace ceci with anyone. Replace Barrie with a good defensive defenceman or at least someone better. Fill that 6th slot. That would go a long way. Depending on the view for your two young defenceman you may only need 1 dman coming from outside the organization

 

[13pacheco31]

Yep, only complaint it two years too late.

You mean for the leafs to acquire a backup or two year too late for him? In which case, I dont really care

 

[Drew311]

So we make Carolina better....a team that could be fighting the Leafs for a wild card spot next season. Solid plan.

 

[ACC1224]

You mean for the leafs to acquire a backup or two year too late for him? In which case, I dont really care

Two years for them to find a backup

 

[TheNewEra]

They didn't trade for Ceci.

Eh you can say dump salary or whatever. From an outside view I saw a team willingly trade for/take on ceci which was amazing