Proposal: Toronto - Chicago

[Chief Leaf]

Kane won't be resigning with the Leafs and even if he does he's in his 30's now and maybe has a couple elite years left. This move is so short sighted and heavily favors the Hawks. Stick to NHL 23.

Maybe you are short sighted and don't realize where our window of opportunity is? Do you feel our team has what it takes to turn it around and be a team that can go deep into the playoffs as is? Matthews himself may walk too so maybe we should just unload him now, along with Marner and restock the pond with youth and give up on the bandaid approach.

And pssst,..you can stick that NHL23 comment right up your controller.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Maybe you are short sighted and don't realize where our window of opportunity is? Do you feel our team has what it takes to turn it around and be a team that can go deep into the playoffs as is? Matthews himself may walk too so maybe we should just unload him now, along with Marner and restock the pond with youth and give up on the bandaid approach.

And pssst,..you can stick that NHL23 comment right up your controller.

You propose a lopsided trade for Chicago and the get upset when someone calls you out. Maybe you need a safe space so criticism can't hurt you anymore. If any of our core is traded it needs to be for impact players near the same age or younger. You don't add a 30 + year old Kane and a 29 year old Murphy for a 25 year old 90+ point winger if you fear matthews is going to walk. You either fill holes with picks or you liquidate the team and start over.

 

[justashadowof]

The current regime in Toronto wouldn't touch Max Domi with a ten foot pole for several reasons. I'd bet the farm Domi was pushing his agent to get a deal with the Leafs this past summer and received no return interest.

 

[Chief Leaf]

You propose a lopsided trade for Chicago and the get upset when someone calls you out. Maybe you need a safe space so criticism can't hurt you anymore. If any of our core is traded it needs to be for impact players near the same age or younger. You don't add a 30 + year old Kane and a 29 year old Murphy for a 25 year old 90+ point winger if you fear matthews is going to walk. You either fill holes with picks or you liquidate the team and start over.

 

[justashadowof]

I see a ton of leafs fans saying no to Domi. Thats interesting I feel like he would be a good depth piece that could cause some havoc for you guys and move up the lineup with injuries? No?

No because we understand the mindset of the craporate drone who runs our team. Plus we know that Domi was available in the summer for free.

 

[BHawk21]

No because we understand the mindset of the craporate drone who runs our team. Plus we know that Domi was available in the summer for free.

Did you have the 3mil to pay him in the summer? I seriously dont know.

 

[Chief Leaf]

You propose a lopsided trade for Chicago and the get upset when someone calls you out. Maybe you need a safe space so criticism can't hurt you anymore. If any of our core is traded it needs to be for impact players near the same age or younger. You don't add a 30 + year old Kane and a 29 year old Murphy for a 25 year old 90+ point winger if you fear matthews is going to walk. You either fill holes with picks or you liquidate the team and start over.

Again,...Kane is what Marner wishes he was.
Fountain of youth is not always the fountain of truth.

I Guess Giordano was a bad trade for us to at the time?

I would trade Marner today for Tom Wilson but you may feel Wilson is too old too.

And,...lol, once again your little pot shot of " safe spaces " is just trying to belittle me just because I stuck to my guns. Speaking of filling holes,-Your safe space is where your shoulders meet your ass.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Again,...Kane is what Marner wishes he was.
Fountain of youth is not always the fountain of truth.

I Guess Giordano was a bad trade for us to at the time?

I would trade Marner today for Tom Wilson but you may feel Wilson is too old too.

And,...lol, once again your little pot shot of " safe spaces " is just trying to belittle me just because I stuck to my guns. Speaking of filling holes,-Your safe space is where your shoulders meet your ass.

LOL that last part was pretty funny. Your still wrong in regards to the trading of Marner for an older unsigned Kane though. Tom Wilson would be a good base for a Marner return but the caps would have to add. You stuck to your guns but they are firing blanks that's the whole point.

 

[Chief Leaf]

LOL that last part was pretty funny. Your still wrong in regards to the trading of Marner for an older unsigned Kane though. Tom Wilson would be a good base for a Marner return but the caps would have to add. You stuck to your guns but they are firing blanks that's the whole point.

I think if Marner was to be traded...especially for an "unsigned" player like Kane we would totally have to know if he would resign and in what general ball park for a figure. I don't feel it would be a collusion move, but one the Leafs would have to make and take into consideration to ensure there is not a walk away come the end of the year/contract.

I also agree that washing would have to add,...maybe a young prospect or a draft pick back that would seem to balance the trade. (imagine though marner feeding Ov) maybe it ends up like a Hull/Gretz thing but you would think Marner would help OV attain even more goals/points.

And pssst.//good to know you have a sense of humour. Cheers even if we agree to disagree. (

 

[therealkoho]

Probably a safe bet that Murphy declines

it's a safer bet that Toronto does as well

 

[therealkoho]

We wouldn't.

Tie Domi was a fan favorite and we have natural interest in his offspring but he's not a fit, just a good story.

Murphy on the other hand checks a lot of boxes. Looking at past deadlines we could probably get him for a 1rst and a minor add if he is open to coming here.

Not sure why it was suggested he wouldn't want to come here unless there was a statement to support that. He is American so it's a distinct possibility but as a rental destination it would be odd for the Leafs not to be a top 10 choice.

Taxation is the problem I think, there would be an extra layer of returns to be done, each with their own rules. Returns would have to be sent to the Canadian Govt, the US Govt and as far as I know the *Gov't for the state in which he resides. Maybe the Leafs offer some help to their American based players as they have several who don't seem to have a problem, at least there doesn't seem to be anybody rattling the bars and screaming let me out. To be clear you don't pay any more taxes then you would if you played in only one country.

Although Zach Bogosian's move reportedly was politically motivated due to his disagreement with the way Canada handled the lockdown.

*I'm not really sure if state taxes are part of the US federal filing or is in itself a seperate filing. In Canada Federal and Provincial taxes are filed in the same envelope.

Come on bow both these guys are barely NHL level. Kerfoot is a decent 4th liner and Holl isn't a NHL calibre dman at all.

If any of those guys had balue they'd be gone already

please explain these fanciful notions?

 

[Mersss]

Taxation is the problem I think, there would be an extra layer of returns to be done, each with their own rules. Returns would have to be sent to the Canadian Govt, the US Govt and as far as I know the *Gov't for the state in which he resides. Maybe the Leafs offer some help to their American based players as they have several who don't seem to have a problem, at least there doesn't seem to be anybody rattling the bars and screaming let me out. To be clear you don't pay any more taxes then you would if you played in only one country.

Although Zach Bogosian's move reportedly was politically motivated due to his disagreement with the way Canada handled the lockdown.

*I'm not really sure if state taxes are part of the US federal filing or is in itself a seperate filing. In Canada Federal and Provincial taxes are filed in the same envelope.


please explain these fanciful notions?

What is there to explain?

Kerfoot can't produce anything offensivelly unless paired with Eite talent like Tavares-Nylander-Marner (as shown this year, his offensive output is terrible when playing on the 3rd line vs 2nd line last year). 4.5M$ for a guy like this is way too much, and he has no value. Like at all.

Holl is an AL calibre d-man who only play because TOR has proably one of the worst defense in the entire NHL. He's as bad as Nemeth is. Nemeth was traded away for 2 X 2nd rd picks for nothing, that'S about what it would cost the Leafs to get rid of this pylon.

Now back to the trade,

Murphy = 1st rd pick in terms of value, that's fair.
Domi = 2nd rd pick in terms of value - ish
Nic Robertson : Value around a early/mid 2nd rd pick. He's useless in a bottom 6 and is not good enough to be on the to6.
So letS' say Domi = RObertson.

Now... What are the Leafs sending to CHI so they take thos 2 horrible contracts in the deal? I don't see anythign there that counteracts the value of those 2 cap dumps.

 

[therealkoho]

What is there to explain?

Kerfoot can't produce anything offensivelly unless paired with Eite talent like Tavares-Nylander-Marner (as shown this year, his offensive output is terrible when playing on the 3rd line vs 2nd line last year). 4.5M$ for a guy like this is way too much, and he has no value. Like at all.

Holl is an AL calibre d-man who only play because TOR has proably one of the worst defense in the entire NHL. He's as bad as Nemeth is. Nemeth was traded away for 2 X 2nd rd picks for nothing, that'S about what it would cost the Leafs to get rid of this pylon.

Now back to the trade,

Murphy = 1st rd pick in terms of value, that's fair.
Domi = 2nd rd pick in terms of value - ish
Nic Robertson : Value around a early/mid 2nd rd pick. He's useless in a bottom 6 and is not good enough to be on the to6.
So letS' say Domi = RObertson.

Now... What are the Leafs sending to CHI so they take thos 2 horrible contracts in the deal? I don't see anythign there that counteracts the value of those 2 cap dumps.

solid post

cap dumps? you've stumped me again sir.

 

[Space umpire]

Why wouldn't Chicago want a young Marner , a 1st and a couple of back to back picks that may seem meaningless UNLESS you understand their philospy of tearing it down and accumulating picks.

Taking Holl may be their Sweetner if you look at it in the realm of them trying to tank hard for Bedard?

This propsal is a way to start the process and ya,..They would also want Knies to possibly seal the deal but it is not that far off imo.

You don’t tear it down to accumulate 5th and 6th round picks.
The 1st in exchange for Chicago’s 2nd is likely just moving up 2 to 4 spots.
The Leafs can’t find a team that can eat Marner’s cap but expect Chicago to find a team.

I understand the Leafs would need to move money but there is a cost to that.

ALL THAT SAID
If they move Marner to get Kane Dubas should be shot.

 

[Chief Leaf]

You don’t tear it down to accumulate 5th and 6th round picks.
The 1st in exchange for Chicago’s 2nd is likely just moving up 2 to 4 spots.
The Leafs can’t find a team that can eat Marner’s cap but expect Chicago to find a team.

I understand the Leafs would need to move money but there is a cost to that.

ALL THAT SAID
If they move Marner to get Kane Dubas should be shot.

1st off- Chicago would definately be able to eat Marners contract if they traded Kane back and in my books,...would keep Marner for their own respective future.

2nd- you have to look at the package presented.

3rdly- You have to look at the view That I am speaking in (and many others) where Marrner seems like an infection (ego) (whiner) skilled, very skilled but as I mentioned many times. Kane is what Marner wants to be. Ya he may make that goal someday,...but in the meantime,..we need a shake- up to add some seriousousness and instal a new trend on the ice. Kane can bring that imo and the trades mentioned toughen up our team adding a new balance and a lil shock! WELL A BIG SHOCK!

Now Dubas can sit back a bit and seee where the shock takes the team> It is no shock imo that Dubas himself is in the hot seat and if he wants to stay idle...well ho hummm, He will be sent back to the Souix where he feels comfy.

Dubas should already be shot imo. sorry, Gms, come and go and I have many reasons why he faltered. Stand in line.