Confirmed with Link: TOR sign G Petr Mrazek to 3 year deal, 3.8M AAV

[jiggy35]

Lamoriello acquired him.

Dubas sent him packing for two inferior goalies. Both less talented, inferior anticipation and far less impressive physical specimens.

This is just untrue, except for the physical specimen part but that’s a weird way to put it.

To me Andersen’s biggest issue is his anticipation and over the years has lost his mobility and relies on his size and positioning. He doesn’t (anymore) make the acrobatic save which can make a difference in the game.

I’m sure he will be very solid in Carolina but he was not getting it done for us and it definitely looked more like a downward trend than a blip.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Yeah, definitely a few Anderson would want back against the Bruins or Capitals, but I recall one or two in a series, never 5 like Campbell, and never a deflating one on the level of the Gallagher goal

There's 3 deflating back breakers right there in 3 different elimination games lol

 

[sparxx87]

There's 3 deflating back breakers right there in 3 different elimination games lol

If you can’t spot the difference than I can’t help you.

The Kuraly one fits what you were trying, at least. That one was bad.

 

[sparxx87]

This is just untrue, except for the physical specimen part but that’s a weird way to put it.

To me Andersen’s biggest issue is his anticipation and over the years has lost his mobility and relies on his size and positioning. He doesn’t (anymore) make the acrobatic save which can make a difference in the game.

I’m sure he will be very solid in Carolina but he was not getting it done for us and it definitely looked more like a downward trend than a blip.

Could be, I guess we’ll see.

I’m one to bet on the talent but you’re right in that the injuries add another layer of doubt.

 

[sparxx87]

Legitimately one of the most shocking and incorrect things I've seen on this website. Guy just has no clue what the f*** he is talking about

Would you like to compare credentials?

You just engaged with a goalie coach and claimed Jack Campbell was better than Carey Price. There’s an incredible amount of irony in your questioning the validity of other’s opinions after something like that. The guy tried to help you but eventually just quit with an ‘lol’ … obnoxious ignorance isn’t an easy fix. Best of luck.

 

[Morgs]

Would you like to compare credentials?

You just engaged with a goalie coach and claimed Jack Campbell was better than Carey Price. There’s an incredible amount of irony in your questioning the validity of other’s opinions after something like that. The guy tried to help you but eventually just quit with an ‘lol’ … obnoxious ignorance isn’t an easy fix. Best of luck.

I didn't realize a goalie coach could be so clueless about goalies. It's okay man, just go quietly into the night.

 

[makbeer]

Not really.. Andersen’s a technical goalie with size.

Andersen was not brought here by Dubas/Keefe.

 

[makbeer]

Campbell played better these playoffs than Freddy ever has for us.

This is untrue. Columbus series Freddy was better in every way than MTL series Campbell and against much more volume and quality of scoring chances.

 

[weems]

There's 3 deflating back breakers right there in 3 different elimination games lol

The DeBrusk one really bothers me.

He literally has minimal space to pull around Gardiner. Props to him for taking it to the outside and pulling it back to his forehand but he shouldnt be scoring there especially five hole. If he somehow comes up with some sick snipe where he goes top cheese glove side, you just tip your hat but that puck under that sequence should never go thru Andy.

The second angle also makes the goal look much much worse.

 

[makbeer]

It was time to move on from Andersen

Mrazek and Campbell should be a solid duo

agree they had to move on from Freddy.

Mrazek and Campbell are good as a duo. Problem with goalies is only one can play in a game 7 so the best individual beats a tandem. And I don’t think the Leafs got an upgrade in that sense,

 

[Brad C]

Not sure why people think goaltending
is a good place to save money

Only thing leafs MIGHT WIN
this year is a wild card spot.

 

[Thornbury]

Guess who doesn't like it lol

That to me is a ringing endorsement of the signing. Simmons is a joke.

 

[Thornbury]

This is untrue. Columbus series Freddy was better in every way than MTL series Campbell and against much more volume and quality of scoring chances.

That's not my recollection. We were definitely "outgoalied" against Columbus.

 

[Beaumaris]

Lamoriello acquired him.

Dubas sent him packing for two inferior goalies. Both less talented, inferior anticipation and far less impressive physical specimens.

A physical specimen that let his team down,on way too many occasions.

 

[Menzinger]

The problem with these Andersen discussions is they get misframed too often.

To improve the Leafs goaltending Marzek doesnt have to play better than Andersen was when he was at his best like 3-4 seasons ago, he just needs to be a consistent improvement over how Andersen was the last couple seasons for there to be a net improvement to the team. We just need 40-45 games if above average play (for the regular season) from the guy.

 

[zeke]

This is untrue. Columbus series Freddy was better in every way than MTL series Campbell and against much more volume and quality of scoring chances.

That's just silly. MTL was a far better offensive team than Columbus and Campbell played far better than Freddy did.

 

[ShaneFalco]

That's not my recollection. We were definitely "outgoalied" against Columbus.

Yup we were - by both their goalies

 

[Guy Boucher]

Andersen gets overrated because he plays a 'technical style' and Mrazek gets underrated because he plays a more unorthodox style, even if the results are similar. At worse this is a wash (with extra cap space).

 

[makbeer]

Mrazek basically = Campbell.

It makes us more consistent over a long period with less difference between starter/backup - which is great for the regular season.

But playoffs are about elevating play in individual games and moments.

And you can only put one of them in net in any given game (obviously). Which makes this something of a sideways move if you are considering post-season aspirations.

Like it or not, Campbell had 3 tries to close out the series and failed to hit league median (.917) sv% in any of those games, losing all three.

He also had a sub .600 high danger sv% in the playoffs (Price was .800 vs Toronto).

If you think he had no role to play in the goals allowed i recommend re-watching the tape now that it's been awhile and emotions have cooled somewhat.

I don't actually think the game 7 gallagher shot was the issue, overall Jack was incredible on low danger chances such as that and i don't think that goal is something an opponent can replicate.

I am always more concerned with goals that expose technical flaws as they are more likely to occur again with some regularity.

For Jack, he struggled in finding loose pucks, struggled to keep his balance moving laterally resulting in lost nets and lost feet unnecessarily, went into RVH or VH in situations he should not have, and lacked decisiveness on bad angle attacks (similar to freddy).

These are fundamental technical issues that teams can attack, and Montreal did start to attack them.

That said, overall Campbell is a really good goaltender and some teams could win a cup with him in net, but I d0n't believe this team is good enough to do so.

Of course we are all allowed to have personal preference, and I definitely prefer goalies who have a more modern style and I know that a lot of fans are attracted to more old-school goalies.

 

[makbeer]

That's just silly. MTL was a far better offensive team than Columbus and Campbell played far better than Freddy did.

Your memory fails you. At best you can argue that the two goalies were equal.

Freddy had a.936 vs Columbus and faced 147 shots in 5 games (29.4/g) with highs of 39 and 43 shots against.
Campbell had a .934 vs Montreal and faced 184 shots in 7 games (26.2/g) with highs of 32 and 31 shots against. }

Campbells stats in the 3 close-out games were not good.
0-3, 3.00 GAA, .892sv%

Freddy was not good in the game 5, but he did shine in game 4 with 36 saves and .923 to get us to game 5.

That said, I want no part of 2022 Freddy. For whatever reason he has lost his game and it's not worth the gamble to see if he can find it again. Just can't have you making up and claiming facts with zero support other than your word.

 

[Richardbro]

Andersen is a good enough goalie to get you into the playoffs every year, but you can never win a cup with him. In elimination games, he can never handle the pressure. This goes all the way back to his days in Anaheim. If you are curious check out his elimination playoff games in Anaheim and they will be similar to the Leafs.

Campbell on the other hand, definitely played badly in some elimination games this year, but the sample size is still small as opposed to Andersen’s half decade sample size of choking and crappy play under pressure.

Mrazek on the other hand is definitely a gamble IMO. We shall see what he brings.

 

[zeke]

Your memory fails you.

It does not.

 

[makbeer]

Andersen is a good enough goalie to get you into the playoffs every year, but you can never win a cup with him. In elimination games, he can never handle the pressure. This goes all the way back to his days in Anaheim. If you are curious check out his elimination playoff games in Anaheim and they will be similar to the Leafs.

Campbell on the other hand, definitely played badly in some elimination games this year, but the sample size is still small as opposed to Andersen’s half decade sample size of choking and crappy play under pressure.

Mrazek on the other hand is definitely a gamble IMO. We shall see what he brings.

Actually if you look at close out games, Freddy has 3 and Campbell also has 3. They both went 0-for. Campbell just whiffed all his tries in a single series.

Here's Leafs goalies' sv% in close-out games. Not a single one above .917 (league median sv%)

Reimer: 0.857
Andersen: 0.829
Andersen: 0.900
Andersen: 0.905
Campbell 0.867
Campbell 0.903
Campbell: 0.909

 

[zeke]

Andersen is a good enough goalie to get you into the playoffs every year,

Rather, the Leafs were a good enough team to drag Freddy into the playoffs the past 2yrs.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Mrazek basically = Campbell.

It makes us more consistent over a long period with less difference between starter/backup - which is great for the regular season.

But playoffs are about elevating play in individual games and moments.

And you can only put one of them in net in any given game (obviously). Which makes this something of a sideways move if you are considering post-season aspirations.

Like it or not, Campbell had 3 tries to close out the series and failed to hit league median (.917) sv% in any of those games, losing all three.

He also had a sub .600 high danger sv% in the playoffs (Price was .800 vs Toronto).

If you think he had no role to play in the goals allowed i recommend re-watching the tape now that it's been awhile and emotions have cooled somewhat.

I don't actually think the game 7 gallagher shot was the issue, overall Jack was incredible on low danger chances such as that and i don't think that goal is something an opponent can replicate.

I am always more concerned with goals that expose technical flaws as they are more likely to occur again with some regularity.

For Jack, he struggled in finding loose pucks, struggled to keep his balance moving laterally resulting in lost nets and lost feet unnecessarily, went into RVH or VH in situations he should not have, and lacked decisiveness on bad angle attacks (similar to freddy).

These are fundamental technical issues that teams can attack, and Montreal did start to attack them.

That said, overall Campbell is a really good goaltender and some teams could win a cup with him in net, but I d0n't believe this team is good enough to do so.

Of course we are all allowed to have personal preference, and I definitely prefer goalies who have a more modern style and I know that a lot of fans are attracted to more old-school goalies.

Are you saying they are being coached improperly? I heard Briere is messing with the goalies styles too much. Might be time to open the bank and hire Mitch Korn or one of his disciples for the job. We have the money...use it..