Proposal: TOR-NSH

[Fogelhund]

Marner a better play maker, I'll give you that, Forsberg better at goal scoring, by a lot. Forsberg needs to stay healthy too.

So which works better for the Leafs, adding a goal scorer to Matthews line, or sticking with a play maker?

 

[PastaSawce]

Marner has become the most underrated player on these boards

Most overrated and overpaid player in the league. Carried by Matthews.

 

[Leaf Fans]

nashville laughs…

We all would when Nashville makes that call. Obviously, the Leafs will turn the Preds down.

 

[Armourboy]

We all would when Nashville makes that call. Obviously, the Leafs will turn the Preds down.

Luckily for us the only day David Poile would make that call is on April Fools.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Luckily for us the only day David Poile would make that call is on April Fools.

No doubt about that!

 

[Atomos2]

Leafs management (Dubas) would certainly turn down this deal. If only to show loyalty to Marner. Realistically this trade would only show up in their minds and dismissed as quickly.

Seriously? They get a ppg winger that's cheaper than the one they send back, a top pairing defense and a 1st that's earlier than theirs for a 1st line winger and a prospect.

EDIT: Holl isn't even a prospect he's a 29y old defenseman who's never hit more than 20 points.

Quality over quantity. Leafs would be trading away one of the core four during a win now mode for the Leafs for some replacement parts that add less value to the current roster. Sends a horrible message to the team that the Leafs are sellers and are selling off one of their top players for lesser players and a pick.

I don't even consider Holl any kind of factor in this trade. He is negligible.

 

[ZEBROA]

Could be interesting ,if Forsberg was 3-4 years younger and not injury prone. But he aint so, no. But if Forsberg was prime P Forsberg ... sorry daydreamin again.

 

[TBF1972]

This makes the Leafs a worse team this year which is all that is important to them and should be. Marner is infinitely better than Forsberg. Makes no sense for them. It also is a bad deal for Nashville as I have no idea why they would be trading their first rd pick as they look to be a lottery team. Trade make 0 sense whatsoever

infinitely dump choice of words

 

[Sundinisagod]

No….

it’s crap to nashville because Marner is overpaid be about $4M and is a UFA in 2+ yrs.

He's overpaid by about 2 million. 94 point players don't come in at 7m. And he is a UFA in 3 seasons after this season, so closer to 4 years not 2.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Marner would be what? The best offensive player in Nashville's history? Whether or not he's overpaid...Forsberg is a UFA and once he signs his new deal, combined with Ekholm's cap hit, they will be making more then Marner. The first is the iffy part, but it's not like Nashville is bottom of the league.

 

[Holymakinaw]

A 1st line two-way winger, top 4D and a 1st while getting out of that contact of Marner and Leaf fans will be coming out to say not close. Love HF.

Why on earth would we want to "get out of that contract"??? LMAO. He's 24 years old and has either scored, or paced for 93 points a season, for 3 straight years now. He's a super elite young player and there's only ONE other player in the NHL 24 years or younger has more points than him the last 5 years.......Connor McDavid.

GTFO with that crap.

 

[kevsh]

OP scored the trifecta: Preds say no, Leafs say no, fans of both teams say no.
Purely from a blue and white persective, really is a non-sensical proposal considering the run the Leafs were just on.

 

[Soundgarden]

Leafs management (Dubas) would certainly turn down this deal. If only to show loyalty to Marner. Realistically this trade would only show up in their minds and dismissed as quickly.



Quality over quantity. Leafs would be trading away one of the core four during a win now mode for the Leafs for some replacement parts that add less value to the current roster. Sends a horrible message to the team that the Leafs are sellers and are selling off one of their top players for lesser players and a pick.

I don't even consider Holl any kind of factor in this trade. He is negligible.

that's the thing though, Toronto's getting both quality and quantity..

And everything you said can be said about Nashville, Ekholm just signed to a discount because of how much he loves the city, it looks just as bad. Toronto's trading away a core member? Nashville's trading away two. We're in a playoff spot we don't need a massive shake up.

Yes, Holl is negligible so why the hell does Nashville do this again?
The difference between Marner and Forsberg is not a 40 point defensive defenseman that can play 20-25 minutes a night and a 1st that could be high, do we even make the playoffs without Ekholm?

We can get a 1st+ for each of Forsberg and Ekholm, we're throwing a 1st away here to get a similar quality player to Forsberg and a msssive downgrade to Ekgolm.

You may feel like this is ill conceived for Toronto, although I disagree, but no thought went into this for Nashville. It just seems like OP saw that Forsberg is going to be the big UFA next year and wanted Toronto to get the new shiny toy and they get a top defenseman and a 1st for their troubles.

 

[mydnyte]

Marner a better play maker, I'll give you that, Forsberg better at goal scoring, by a lot. Forsberg needs to stay healthy too.

33 goal career high vs 26 ...its higher, but, by a lot?
if Marner ever learns how to shoot the puck, he'll surpass that mark. Right now, his shot is his main weakness, but, he's good for mid 20's goals

in his NHL career so far Marner has 109 goals.
over the same span (which includes Marner's rookie season) Forsberg has 129 ...take out that rookie season and they are within 10 goals, but Marner by the end of the year will already have more career points than Forsberg in about 150 less games

 

[triggrman]

33 goal career high vs 26 ...its higher, but, by a lot?
if Marner ever learns how to shoot the puck, he'll surpass that mark. Right now, his shot is his main weakness, but, he's good for mid 20's goals

in his NHL career so far Marner has 109 goals.
over the same span (which includes Marner's rookie season) Forsberg has 129 ...take out that rookie season and they are within 10 goals, but Marner by the end of the year will already have more career points than Forsberg in about 150 less games

0.37 goals per game versus 0.29 goals per game. That's not that close.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

0.37 goals per game versus 0.29 goals per game. That's not that close.

That's 30 goals a season vs 24 goals a season. When you factor assists in as well, Marner is a significantly better scorer.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

0.37 goals per game versus 0.29 goals per game. That's not that close.

Well, I think we can all agree that it wouldn't be fair to trade Forsberg for Marner.

Establishing that does not in any way salvage the OP proposal, however.

 

[triggrman]

That's 30 goals a season vs 24 goals a season. When you factor assists in as well, Marner is a significantly better scorer.

Come on, we were talking about goal scoring. I

Also, let's not forget Marner is passing to Mathews, not Granlund.

 

[triggrman]

Well, I think we can all agree that it wouldn't be fair to trade Forsberg for Marner.

Establishing that does not in any way salvage the OP proposal, however.

And we haven't even addressed that in the OP, we were adding the first and a 6'4" smooth skating shutdown defenseman.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Not to take anything away from Marner, who is a fantastic player, but this doesn't make a ton of sense from a roster building perspective for the Preds. I doubt Marner hits close to the same numbers in Nashville that he does with Toronto's forward group. We exchange a goal-scoring focused forward that plays a "heavy" game (let's assume we're planning to re-sign him), for a playmaking forward that does not. We lose a high-level two-way defenseman off a defensive corps that is generally very young (and will continue to be so as the likes of Borowiecki and Benning give way to Farrance, Davies, Allard, etc...). We generally shouldn't be considering trading 1sts at all right now, as they are just as likely to become top 5/10 picks. In this case, despite the quality of player we'd be getting back, the sum of the return is more valuable to us.

 

[Notsince67]

This deal would close and semblance of a window for Toronto. That said, good deal for Marner. Nashville rocks, has low taxes and the weather is better

 

[Notsince67]

Not to take anything away from Marner, who is a fantastic player, but this doesn't make a ton of sense from a roster building perspective for the Preds. I doubt Marner hits close to the same numbers in Nashville that he does with Toronto's forward group. We exchange a goal-scoring focused forward that plays a "heavy" game (let's assume we're planning to re-sign him), for a playmaking forward that does not. We lose a high-level two-way defenseman off a defensive corps that is generally very young (and will continue to be so as the likes of Borowiecki and Benning give way to Farrance, Davies, Allard, etc...). We generally shouldn't be considering trading 1sts at all right now, as they are just as likely to become top 5/10 picks. In this case, despite the quality of player we'd be getting back, the sum of the return is more valuable to us.

Marner was putting up points at over a 90 point pace while playing with Nazem Kadri. His defensive game is pretty under-rated as well.

 

[Soundgarden]

This deal would close and semblance of a window for Toronto. That said, good deal for Marner. Nashville rocks, has low taxes and the weather is better

How so? Forsberg's near a goal per game right now and is only 27, Ekholm would be on your top pairing.

 

[triggrman]

Marner was putting up points at over a 90 point pace while playing with Nazem Kadri. His defensive game is pretty under-rated as well.

That's simple unheard of, oh, wait.

Marner is a great player. He's the perfect set-up guy for Matthews, but this wasn't 1 for 1, and their salaries aren't 1 for 1. We would also have to give up a way better defenseman and a 1st rounder, while paying $4.9M a season, that's a lot.

 

[Notsince67]

How so? Forsberg's near a goal per game right now and is only 27, Ekholm would be on your top pairing.

Leafs are 8th in expected goals against (all situations) in the league right now. You think this is a priority?