Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Leafs sign Peter Holland (1 year, $1.3M)

[ForSpareParts*]

Has anyone seen Jesse Blacker recently?

 

[Drew311]

He'll end up with the Islanders. They like taking players no one else wants.

 

[paulhiggins]

Like Colborne, he doesn't have any jam in his game. If he knows what he needs to do and can't be bothered or doesn't think his future is a grinder then he is all he will ever be. Useful as a depth forward and shootout specialist. He wan't the worst player in the league last year.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

I don't get it. He can put up 30-35 points while playing in the bottom 6, sounds like someone worth keeping around. Is he bad defensively?

He's well below average defensively. He's a poor skater and relatively lazy, but he has very good hands and a little bit of offensive instinct.

 

[Kelly]

Geez, quit being so defensive. If by "speaking out of your ass" you mean exaggerating, then yeah, I am in the sense that I have no interest in going through every Leafs trade proposal on this forum over the past two years to 'prove' it to you to soothe your fanhood. But you cannot deny that there have been a TON of trade threads started by Leafs fans in this forum with those two as main pieces in a proposal for a better player.

Nope, I don't remember TON of proposals with Percy and Holland as main pieces either.. I also didn't realize asking for some proof of a false generalization was being defensive, but okay.

Most Leaf fans knew Holland was a dime-a-dozen player, and had little value around the league.

Doesn't it get a liittle sore when you exaggerate that much?

 

[mouser]

Will he have to pass through waivers again in October?

Yes. The regular season waiver period for loaning players to the AHL doesn't begin until 12 days before the start of the regular season.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

Peter Holland is a forward. Corrado is a defenceman. We have 17 other NHL capable forwards, and just 7 other NHL capable defenseman

You need to ice 12 forwards. You only need 6 d-man. What is the bigger number?

 

[Canada4Gold]

You need to ice 12 forwards. You only need 6 d-man. What is the bigger number?

After we ice those 12 forwards we have 5 others left over besides Holland as depth. After we ice those 6 D we only have 1 other besides Corrado left over as depth.

Thus Corrado is more important for us than Holland is.

And Babcock may potentially run with a 13 forward, 8 D roster in which case Corrado is on the roster, and we would still have 4 other capable forwards before we need Holland.

Damn people, think a little, this isn't difficult.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

You need to ice 12 forwards. You only need 6 d-man. What is the bigger number?

17 - 12 vs 7 - 6

Which is a larger number

 

[Juxtaposer]

All hearsay until substantiated but it seems like Holland's looking for more money than he's worth and Lou isn't going to be playing any games with a 3rd line tweener (who has been underwhelming more often than not). Taking a gamble on him not getting claimed of course, but the Leafs have a logjam up front and they want him at a lower cap hit if he passes through.

I think he gets claimed if a team is willing to pay him 1.3-1.5 million on a multi-year deal (and it could be a fit somewhere).

If it's substantiated, we can revisit it. But until then it's all hearsay and that hearsay shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt, like I've seen Leafs management get too much of over the past few months.

 

[uncleben]

If he doesn't get claimed in the next 48 hours, the leafs can be re-assured that he won't be claimed in October

Not true.
Claiming the player gives the player quite the leverage in negotiating a new contract (which still needs to be done with the new team).

Unless a team truly things he's worth the upper range in salary, or that he'll be claimed by someone else with greater priority in October, they would be smart to wait, let the Leafs settle on a cheaper contract, and claim him later.



That said, I think this is poor flexing, by Lou. It worked with MIN and Schroeder, but Holland has a much better case than Schroeder, is much more likely to be claimed, and really has no reason to be on a two-way.

There's much I like about what Lou is bringing, but there is much I very much question. (Not like, "What are you doing?? You are ruining the team!" but the small things, that make you say, "Why? That's not necessary..." I don't think he is the best at asset management, especially minor asset management, for example.)

 

[Mr Positive]

Is he any good at faceoffs

 

[X66]

Wasn't a bad player by any means, but you could just tell that Babcock didn't like him.

If he could over come those consistency problems he'd help a lot of teams.

I can still see him being a 15/15 guy.

 

[Kelly]

Is he any good at faceoffs

Nope.

Career 45.6% -- Was 46% last year.

 

[X66]

Is he any good at faceoffs

God Awful.

 

[TheCLAM]

You need to ice 12 forwards. You only need 6 d-man. What is the bigger number?

Kadri-Bozak-Matthews-Laich

No room for Holland

 

[Tripod]

Would be fine with Philly claiming him and let he and Cousins compete for the #3 spot.

 

[Dustin]

It's a shame. Especially after watching Leafs Blueprint, you really felt for the guy.

He's a guy I would probably take a chance on if you needed depth scoring low in the lineup.

 

[Hally BlackWood]

Tactic pfft ********. Just not enough room for him very simple.

 

[uncleben]

Would be fine with Philly claiming him and let he and Cousins compete for the #3 spot.

I think you guys would be happy enough with that.
I'd prefer to trade him on the cheap to you though..

 

[Quares27]

It's a smart tactic. Teams likely won't pick him up in case he gets a high price in arbitration like 3mil. And the fact that no teams picked him up for free on waivers is a bargaining chip for the Leafs in arbitration.

The best case scenario would be to do this, lower his price in arbitration and then trade him to a team that would have use for him on a cheaper contract than he would have had if picked up on waivers. I can't recall if you can trade a player after they've filed for arbitration though

 

[StevenDean]

Peter Holland is actually an NHL player, how could Lou argue he deserves a two-way?

If that is the case then he will be claimed. If not then maybe he needs more work and a two way deal for one or two years may be the best thing for him. Heck if he is a NHL player a two way deal means nothing to him.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

If that is the case then he will be claimed. If not then maybe he needs more work and a two way deal for one or two years may be the best thing for him. Heck if he is a NHL player a two way deal means nothing to him.

I think it's more so for lowering his NHL salary. I doubt the Leafs care about whether he is on a one-way or two-way anyways. I think he'll be claimed, though. 25 years old, 195 games of NHL experience. 30 point+ pace in the past two seasons.

 

[StevenDean]

Geez, quit being so defensive. If by "speaking out of your ass" you mean exaggerating, then yeah, I am in the sense that I have no interest in going through every Leafs trade proposal on this forum over the past two years to 'prove' it to you to soothe your fanhood. But you cannot deny that there have been a TON of trade threads started by Leafs fans in this forum with those two as main pieces in a proposal for a better player.

Because not every single fan base does that.

 

[tp71]

Holland for Schroeder e4