Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Leafs sign Peter Holland (1 year, $1.3M)

[garyturner3]

What can I say, I was right again, if Holland is not claimed, he has no value. So now we can put Holland in the same catagory as Percy. "Player has no value, stop putting him in every trade package..."

Wow, congrats man! You know the same thing that 90% of Leaf fans know. All fan bases try to include their garbage in trade proposals on a regular basis, it's not new or Toronto specific.

 

[Stephen]

ha, I remember listening to the TSN panel saying the Leafs fleeced us, and that we had given up on him too soon.

I find this hard to believe. TSN is never bullish on anything Leafs and people were generallt WTF at the time, because the Leafs had just lost Colborne for cheap due to waiver eligibility.

 

[garyturner3]

He's an nhl caliber player for sure, but he's easily replaceable so if he gets claimed it's no big deal. Not like they were ever gonna get anything more than a mid-late pick for him in a trade.

 

[Vitto79]

would he not get very little in arbitration anyway? He could get picked up if hes cheap.

just cause the Leafs dont want him doesnt mean others will. oh wait its the leafs , yea he likely has no value lol

 

[Stu]

I hope someone claims him. Never understood the love for him.

 

[Woll Smoth]

Won't miss him if he gets claimed

Maybe Vancouver takes him and sits him for the year

 

[Pyromaniac]

I don't get it. He can put up 30-35 points while playing in the bottom 6, sounds like someone worth keeping around. Is he bad defensively?

 

[Leafs87]

I hope someone claims him. Never understood the love for him.

Same he's such a meh player. Only two things that I think tied Toronto to him is draft position and the idiotic price we paid for him at that point in his career

 

[Canada4Gold]

Same he's such a meh player. Only two things that I think tied Toronto to him is draft position and the idiotic price we paid for him at that point in his career

That was such a great few months by management

1. Trade Colbourne for a 4th because we needed to give Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren roster spots

2. Injuries

3. Trade for Holland because we need a center

4. Play Holland for 4 minutes per game on the 4th line with Colton Orr so he reaches his 25 game threshold for the pick we traded for him to become a 2nd

It's like 1 big ugly circle.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't get it. He can put up 30-35 points while playing in the bottom 6, sounds like someone worth keeping around. Is he bad defensively?

He's around average. I'm a little bit confused as to why we waived him. Everyone says as soon as someone goes unqualified or is waived they automatically have no value, but it wouldn't be the first time this management group lets someone valuable go for nothing (or a lot less than they are worth). Sometimes they would rather just get them out than try to get legit value, but you'd think they'd at least get something for him, even if it was a late round pick or something.

Whoever claims him gets a cheap 30-35 point forward with some value and upside at 25. If there is a time to claim someone on waivers, now is the time.

 

[Leafidelity]

I don't get it. He can put up 30-35 points while playing in the bottom 6, sounds like someone worth keeping around. Is he bad defensively?

He's a bit below average defensively. I know most here won't believe it, but the Leafs are chalk full of young up and coming players. Some have or soon will passed Holland on the depth chart.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

That was such a great few months by management

1. Trade Colbourne for a 4th because we needed to give Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren roster spots

2. Injuries

3. Trade for Holland because we need a center

4. Play Holland for 4 minutes per game on the 4th line with Colton Orr so he reaches his 25 game threshold for the pick we traded for him to become a 2nd

It's like 1 big ugly circle.

It's almost like Carlyle and Nonis were going to go to Anaheim the entire time... Oh wait

And technically, Colborne was unqualified by Calgary, so trading him may not have been the worst thing in the world. Why we gave Holland the 25 game threshold is beyond me though. Hopefully we get our Holland-type deals with all of our young guys coming up.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Wow, I would have had no problem giving up a 4th for him. Not for the Islanders, but just in terms of value.

 

[Leafs87]

That was such a great few months by management

1. Trade Colbourne for a 4th because we needed to give Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren roster spots

2. Injuries

3. Trade for Holland because we need a center

4. Play Holland for 4 minutes per game on the 4th line with Colton Orr so he reaches his 25 game threshold for the pick we traded for him to become a 2nd

It's like 1 big ugly circle.

Yeah I remember that year

 

[Butchered]

I wouldn't hate TB claiming him for some depth.

 

[Canada4Gold]

It's almost like Carlyle and Nonis were going to go to Anaheim the entire time... Oh wait

And technically, Colborne was unqualified by Calgary, so trading him may not have been the worst thing in the world. Why we gave Holland the 25 game threshold is beyond me though. Hopefully we get our Holland-type deals with all of our young guys coming up.

Colbourne just got a 2 year 2.5 AAV from Colorado. Put up 100 points in the past 3 years. There's no doubt who's the better player.

Yet we traded more to get the worse player, because we needed to keep that garbage tough guy int he lineup. Injuries were going to happen. Hanging onto Colbourne should have been the obvious move.

Every single decision in that bunch was absolutely horrible.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Colbourne just got a 2 year 2.5 AAV from Colorado. Put up 100 points in the past 3 years. There's no doubt who's the better player.

Yet we traded more to get the worse player, because we needed to keep that garbage tough guy int he lineup. Injuries were going to happen. Hanging onto Colbourne should have been the obvious move.

Every single decision in that bunch was absolutely horrible.

That's so Nonis...with a bit of Carlyle.

Colborne has been better.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I have to ask, does the timing of his arbitration hearing factor into teams claiming him or not? I mean his hearing is in 3 days. The Leafs are the team taking him to the hearing so I would assume they've worked through the evidence they would present for a little while now. Other teams however, wouldn't have been aware Holland would be on waivers, so would only just now be preparing evidence they want to present at his arbitration hearing.

It's a bit of a rush isn't it? Would the short amount of time to prepare evidence scare teams off from claiming him, thinking they don't want to lose and pay him what he wants due to insufficient time to prepare evidence.

Now yeah they should be able to compile evidence in 3 days without too many problems. But you never know.

 

[mcpw]

Other teams however, wouldn't have been aware Holland would be on waivers, so would only just now be preparing evidence they want to present at his arbitration hearing.

I'm pretty sure that if a team claims him, that team will sign him before his hearing.

 

[gifted88]

Will he have to pass through waivers again in October?

 

[Canada4Gold]

Can you link me to these proposals? I frequent these boards often, and I don't remember any Percy + Holland for a young top 4 RHD.. If not, I'll just assume you're speaking out of your ass.

Pretty sure there hasn't been. Most of the bad offers come from 2 guys(who make 90% of Leafs offers on here), and even then there's someone more valuable in there than Percy and Holland.

Percy and/or Holland have often been tossed into proposals as if they have a small bit of value the same way 7th round picks get tossed into proposals as if that changes anything, but I don't recall any proposals where anyone was asking for a top 4 D where the best piece were Percy or Holland.

 

[Mugzy97]

Exactly. I actually think Holland is a solid player whom I would be happy to claim, but this proves he has no trade value. So many stop with the "Percy+Holland for [insert young top-4 RHD]" proosals?

Would love to see an example of someone proposing this

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Ducks cut ties at the perfect time

 

[Canada4Gold]

I'm pretty sure that if a team claims him, that team will sign him before his hearing.

That's a solid possibility. But not being able to talk to Holland until tomorrow at noon when he's their property, there's no guarantee that Holland will just agree to whatever they're offering. If a team is worried about paying Holland what he would get in arbitration, it's quite possible Holland won't settle for less beforehand.

 

[Gecklund]

I have to ask, does the timing of his arbitration hearing factor into teams claiming him or not? I mean his hearing is in 3 days. The Leafs are the team taking him to the hearing so I would assume they've worked through the evidence they would present for a little while now. Other teams however, wouldn't have been aware Holland would be on waivers, so would only just now be preparing evidence they want to present at his arbitration hearing.

It's a bit of a rush isn't it? Would the short amount of time to prepare evidence scare teams off from claiming him, thinking they don't want to lose and pay him what he wants due to insufficient time to prepare evidence.

Now yeah they should be able to compile evidence in 3 days without too many problems. But you never know.

I'm pretty sure they could put off the arbitration. I think I read something about that somewhere.