Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CBJ/SJS] TOR acquire Nick Foligno [75% Retained] & Stefan Noesen for 2021 1st, 2021 & 2022 4ths

[aingefan]

He should wear his dad’s helmet for warm-ups

 

[Sypher04]

I think anyone painting Foligno as just a bottom 6 guy is missing the point personally.

And as far as the first rounder goes. We have an exceptional opportunity ahead of us this playoffs. If not this year, when do you trade your 1st to be all in.

Tampa traded 2 firsts for Goodrow and Coleman last year, neither of which being as good as Foligno.

Everyone wants to talk about this being a buyer's market allegedly, well it really hasn't played out that way across most of the league, and Foligno was one of the most sought after guys available. There's a reason virtually all the other contenders were in on him too

 

[Menzinger]

 

[Sypher04]

true. then again i'm not sure i'm looking to Palmieri to fix our PP issues.

We already have the personnel on this team to sort the powerplay. They've proven across stretches of multiple seasons they can do it. Just need to go out and do it

 

[Byron Bitz]

I think Dubas should have pushed hard for a condition on the pick where if the Leafs don’t get passed the first round the 1st becomes a 2nd. Losing in the first round again would be hard enough but this price for Foligno would make it even harder.

 

[francis246]

you guys dont understand asset management .
the point is not throwing away picks or using them , the point is if you get foligno without using your first then you can use your first to get another impact player. we wasted all our picks on this one bullet and he isnt even an impact player that deserves a first.

no one is saying the pickup isnt good ... sure foligno will help by moving players down the lineup .......... but you have to weigh in the cost and asset management side of things.

we didn't waste our first, the management team identified Foligno as the guy they would spend to the threshold to get. Foligno himself said there were at least 3 other teams who had offers. which means the leafs had to pay a premium to get him. If your management group feels like Foligno can be a big difference maker than so be it. The draft is a crapshoot, if it's a late first, you'll get the same value potentially in the 2nd round. Also we may be able to move someone in the summer to recoup a second or first.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

of course there is a need to make excuses , Dubas paid the same price for Foligno that the Islanders did for Palmieri/Zajac

and a month ago it was 2 weeks so why try to act like the discussion they had was still accurate ?

Grrr & how does this help the Leafs fill their arguably greatest need?

 

[francis246]

I think Dubas should have pushed hard for a condition on the pick where if the Leafs don’t get passed the first round the 1st becomes a 2nd. Losing in the first round again would be hard enough but this price for Foligno would make it even harder.

really? who in the first round is really going to be someone that we miss out on? I rather see Dubas put the cards on the table and try for a cup, as opposed to draft a prospect who isn't going to crack this line up until 2025.

 

[WillyC]

Brodie, Bogosian, Thornton, Simmonds, Galchenyuk, Foligno, and Rittich... add these guys to Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Hyman, Spezza, Muzzin, Reilly, Holl and Campbell.

Let's go win the #%&ing Stanley Cup

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I think Dubas should have pushed hard for a condition on the pick where if the Leafs don’t get passed the first round the 1st becomes a 2nd. Losing in the first round again would be hard enough but this price for Foligno would make it even harder.

Oh pretty sure he would've discussed that....

 

[Gary Nylund]

Grrr & how does this help the Leafs fill their arguably greatest need?

I thought the greatest need was a goalie, that need has been addressed. Other than that, I guess you could argue we needed a Dman more but I'm not sure that's true either. I think Foligno hits the spot myself.

 

[Ashdown2]

And when you consider that it's essentially quibbling over a pick who would likely be our 6th best prospect vs. a pick who would likely slot in the 8-11 range... it's making a mountain out of a molehill

lord almighty its asset management .... it has nothing to do with prospect A or B or the pick number ... we are talking about the price being paid for what you are receiving in return.

for example : if now you wanted player X ... whoever it is doesnt matter you have less assets to aquire them , use your assets wisely to maximize your return ... this is what good gm's do

using the picks doesnt matter argument is dumb as hell. would you still be happy if the trade was folingno for ALL out picks this year ? guess what you wont because that is shit asset management.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I thought the greatest need was a goalie, that need has been addressed. Other than that, I guess you could argue we needed a Dman more but I'm not sure that's true either. I think Foligno hits the spot myself.

That why I said arguably...
I do think we need a good physical stay at home defenceman too for sure

 

[supermann_98]

lord almighty its asset management .... it has nothing to do with prospect A or B or the pick number ... we are talking about the price being paid for what you are receiving in return.

for example : if now you wanted player X ... whoever it is doesnt matter you have less assets to aquire them , use your assets wisely to maximize your return ... this is what good gm's do

using the picks doesnt matter argument is dumb as hell. would you still be happy if the trade was folingno for ALL out picks this year ? guess what you wont because that is shit asset management.

Lots of ways to re-coup assets and it doesn't all have to be done right now, but as an example there is the free wallet route (Russia and NCAA) and then in the summer he can trade any number of our depth guys for picks or more depth guys like they did with Kappy and Johnsson.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lots of ways to re-coup assets and it doesn't all have to be done right now, but as an example there is the free wallet route (Russia and NCAA) and then in the summer he can trade any number of our depth guys for picks or more depth guys like they did with Kappy and Johnsson.

Ya the whole free wallet thing helps take the sting out of losing picks for sure.

Who's the Kappy/Johnsson equivalents we could use to recoup picks? Dermott is the only one I can think of but even him we might lose to the draft.

 

[mix1home]

It will take at least 4 years for a late first round pick to be an impact player. In 2025 are you going to be saying dam I wish we didn't trade that 2021 first round pick. This isn't 2014-2016.

I'm not saying it's bad move. Not at all. It's just that rumors were that Columbus was looking for the first and Mini who also was interested did not see that as price they would pay. So marker was not strong supporting giving up first for Foligno. Perhaps it's Nash for 7th that shall be considered as part of this deal. Then it's probably just slight over-payment on Leafs part as Columbus was willing to do whatever is necessary to get that first from us. Hopefully Nash can recover from injury and play good for us.

 

[Mulletman]

His qualifying offer is 7.5, then we would have 5 guys pushing 50 million. lol. Not to mention we cant have a guy that just shoots. It would only be a game or two when other players start shirking the hard unappreciated work. Points are all that matters: not.

We would get rid of Nylander as soon as possible in this scenario. And pairing Laine with Nylander and Tavares would solve any possible problems. Tavares is slow so he would fit nicely with Laine and Marner is amazing as a playmaker so he could maximize the effect of a guy like Laine.

 

[kb]

Guys, talk me off a cliff that this deal is OK given what BOS payed for Hall.

Jarmo Kakalainen (sp) " All of TO, WAS, and COL offered 1st round picks for Foligno so we asked him where he wanted to go" .

 

[Wafflewhipper]

lord almighty its asset management .... it has nothing to do with prospect A or B or the pick number ... we are talking about the price being paid for what you are receiving in return.

for example : if now you wanted player X ... whoever it is doesnt matter you have less assets to aquire them , use your assets wisely to maximize your return ... this is what good gm's do

using the picks doesnt matter argument is dumb as hell. would you still be happy if the trade was folingno for ALL out picks this year ? guess what you wont because that is shit asset management.

Let us know when you learn your second aspect of hockey.

 

[Seras]

More buyers this year and fewer sellers, I like the additions, hope they fit in well

 

[gtforepro]

Jarmo Kakalainen (sp) " All of TO, WAS, and COL offered 1st round picks for Foligno so we asked him where he wanted to go" .

Oh that's very cool. He's the one guy I was hoping we would pick up. Maybe he'll sign here?

 

[socko]

They shouldn't encourage the Foligno jump. That's a good way to blow out your knee. Seen a few football players end their season on stuff like that.

 

[ottawa]

It’s funny that on the Habs board, their fans like this deal better than ours do

You guys got a great deal...I still think Hall would have been the right move since he's having his worst career year but Foligno was the 2nd best move imo.

I think whoever makes it out of this division will win it all, so Leafs or Bruins essentially...both teams are both very skilled and deep. Not exactly fun to be typing this out as a habs fan.

 

[Budz]

I want to see Nick do his dads jump first goal he pots for us. Would be epic.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Supply and demand wise I think the value was fine. I think the extra 4th was to outbid other teams.
Foligno might be a 35ish point two-way player for the jackets but for us, he can be a 45ish point, two-way player. His ability to play basically anywhere in the lineup is just gravy. Not to mention everything else he adds.