Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CBJ/SJS] TOR acquire Nick Foligno [75% Retained] & Stefan Noesen for 2021 1st, 2021 & 2022 4ths

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They did if Andersen comes back, but not if he doesn't. Not sure if Mirtle is tipping his hand or just assuming.
Not if he comes back in the playoffs when there is no cap , the issue is even if we do win it all this year we are going to be starting with 69.9 million for 13 players in a flat cap world of 81.5 thats 11.6 million for 10 players and we are riding Campbell and Hutch . Looks like a 1 hit wonder at best not the dynasty team we were supposed to be building .
 
You're missing my point. I have no problem paying a 1st round pick. I have no problem trading assets and draft capital. I simply want those assets to return guys that make a genuine, positive difference. I don't see Foligno doing that. It's not 2015-2016, when he was worth the price that was just paid.
You have to remember, Foligno is paying in a defensive system that will strangle the offensive abilities of virtually anyone who plays there. Do you really think Matthews would score 40+ consistently under Torts? Judging by their top scorers since he joined, not likely. Potentially speaking, on paper, Foligno can offer more than Palmeiri and Zajac, being on a successful team that has made the playoffs several times, despite not exactly having the best talent in the world while simultaneously being the captain and leader of those teams. I think you're selling Foligno short here
 
I'm amazed at how many people are hating on this deal.

Absolutely nobody should have a problem with this trade you added Nick Foligno and all you gave up was a 1st and 4th round pick you can do that because you have Amirov Sandin Robertson, Lillyetc. In the system you have a strong prospect pool moving a 1st isn't going to hurt you.

Personally I don't care if they package their 2nd tomorrow too, nobody has been able to properly scout anyway so punt it trade every pick you have in the 2021 draft go all in and get that championship.
You could argue a less scouted draft increased the value of a late 1st round pick vs a late 1st round pick in a normal draft due to the likelihood of good players dropping.

The problem is he is a older short term rental who isn't that big of an upgrade and cost a 1st+. Not the greatest trade in my mind as I dont see the huge need he fills to warrant a 1st round p8ck
 
I don’t understand how people are upset with this trade

1. This is easiest route the Leafs are going to have to the finals in the next X amount of years. It makes complete sense to go for it

2. This years draft is a complete crap shoot

3. Foligno fills a role that only Hyman is serving right now. You need gritty, physical players in the playoffs who need to operate in tighter checking situations. Lacking those players is part of the reason this group hasn’t won a playoff round yet

to those who are saying that grit is unneeded In hockey I suggest you go watch the NBA
Spot on post!!
 
I just want to point out the intellectual dishonesty of those giving us shit for not thinking Nick Foligno is worth a pick that will be in the 27-30 range this year, plus two 4ths... With the argument being that a late 1st round pick doesn't have a ton of value.

Meanwhile, Rasmus Sandin, arguably our best prospect, who virtually nobody would agree to trade for Nick Foligno, was drafted with the 29th overall pick.

It's not about "us' pearl clutching our assets, it's about expecting Dubas to get an excellent return for those assets and seeing the 33 version of Foligno as less than excellent at this point in his career. Big, big difference.
 
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Go big or go home

I had written off 2021 season due to Covid. But since we are here. Let's go big

F the first rounder. We have enough young players locked in.

Let's go. One more Kyle. One more

Trade all 2021 draft picks. Nobody knows who's going to be selected or available anyways
 
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Steep price but I don't mind it in this years draft where no one really has been scouted and where prospects haven't been playing. Goal scoring isn't and shouldn't be an issue with this team, being hard to play against and being able to keep the puck deep and playing "playoff hockey" has been an issue.
 
This is easily the worst trade that Dubas has made in his time here. Foligno better find that fountain of youth, especially if he is playing in the top 6, because he hasn't been worth half of this price since he turned 30. Paying a 2nd alone for this guy was pushing it. Major gamble and a ton of pressure on Foligno to perform a lot better than he has since pretty much he was a PPG player that one time 6 years ago. That and the Leafs having legitimate success in the playoffs is the only way this deal has any legs. He especially needs to play better than he did against the Leafs and Lightning last year, because he was not good in either series. At least it should quiet a lot of Dubas haters because this kind of sub-par move is straight out of Lou's awful playbook, and exactly what they want.

The market better have completely fallen out for guys like Laughton, Iafallo, etc. No way Dubas should have paid the same for Foligno as Lou did for Palmieri and Zajac unless Foligno (and Hall) were the only guys remaining on the market, and everyone else who has any kind of legitimacy also goes for a high price. So much for this being a buyers market.
Do you think Iafallo and Laughton were actually available? What about the price for either considering they're so much younger? People having a bird about selling a 1st but do we consider the cost of one of those two? The same people would be off the wall at the cost of an early round pick plus one of our top prospects
 
This is easily the worst trade that Dubas has made in his time here. Foligno better find that fountain of youth, especially if he is playing in the top 6, because he hasn't been worth half of this price since he turned 30. Paying a 2nd alone for this guy was pushing it. Major gamble and a ton of pressure on Foligno to perform a lot better than he has since pretty much he was a PPG player that one time 6 years ago. That and the Leafs having legitimate success in the playoffs is the only way this deal has any legs. He especially needs to play better than he did against the Leafs and Lightning last year, because he was not good in either series. At least it should quiet a lot of Dubas haters because this kind of sub-par move is straight out of Lou's awful playbook, and exactly what they want.

The market better have completely fallen out for guys like Laughton, Iafallo, etc. No way Dubas should have paid the same for Foligno as Lou did for Palmieri and Zajac unless Foligno (and Hall) were the only guys remaining on the market, and everyone else who has any kind of legitimacy also goes for a high price. So much for this being a buyers market.

I think Corey Perry would have been a smarter playoff style dumpster dive in the offseason and the Staal deal was cheaper value for Montreal, but we've come a long way. If we can ensure a long playoff run this year with additions like Foligno, it either helps us win a cup or have enough of a playoff experience that it changes the DNA of this team's core.
 
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I just want to point out the intellectual dishonesty of those giving us shit for not thinking Nick Foligno is worth a pick that will be in the 27-30 range this year, plus two 4ths... With the argument being that a late 1st round pick doesn't have a ton of value.

Meanwhile, Rasmus Sandin, arguably our best prospect, who virtually would agree to trade for Nick Foligno, was drafted with the 29th overall pick.

It's not about "us' pearl clutching our assets, it's about expecting Dubas to get an excellent return for those assets and seeing the 33 version of Foligno as less than excellent at this point in his career. Big, big difference.


It is because we have Sandin Lilly Robertsson and Amirov we can make trades like these
 
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He seems like the kind of semi brawn skill player the Islanders used to line up with Tavares so I could see that working. Maybe we have enough forward options that we can now put Nylander on a third offensive unit depending on the matchup.
Ya agreed, seems like a greasy corner guy that JT was stuck with and able to produce near ppg paces. I think he ends up there but I agree there are some other options pertaining to Nylander.

Do the leafs want to run a shutdown line of Folingo-JT-Hyman and just be a nightmare to play against?
 
I think it's a pretty solid overpay.

Eric Staal went for a 3rd and a 5th. Foligno went for a 1st and two 4ths. They're pretty similar calibre players at this point in their careers, but we added a 1st rounder on top of the two mid-rounders Montreal gave up for Staal. I get that he addresses a need, but I still see it as the Leafs getting tunnel vision and just being willing to pay whatever Columbus demanded, while other teams have traded for their target players at much better prices (another example is NYI getting both Palmieri + Zajac for similar value to what we gave up for Foligno i significantly better value for NYI).
hey man what about Noesen? was he free?
 
I mean other then the fact that atleast 3 teams offered Columbus a 1st for him lol

Actually the more I think about I don't mind this trade

1) We need solid 2 way forwards that can lay a body and can play the boards

2) Foligno's point totals based on Torts' defense first system is not reflective of what his scoring rate will be with the Leafs; as we play a much high tempo system

3) I've liked Galchenyuk so far; but i think Foligno will add more to either Matthews/Marner or JT/Nylander line

my guess is we run the following in the playoffs


Galchenyuk-Matthews-Marner
Foligno-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Engvall-Hyman (remember this was a beast line)
Kerfoot-Nash-Spezza/Simmonds

unless Keefe wants Jumbo playing then probably engvall comes out
 
This PP was scorching hot, it can be again if the coaching figures it out. Taylor Hall’s two goals wouldn’t do much. Hall hasn’t been north of 16 goals for over four years.

Foligno makes this team harder to play against. He is exactly what we needed. I really disliked Dubas a few years ago when he was rostering tiny soft players but I have come around. He has certainly seen the Cup winning teams and noticed physicality is the trend to winning.
 
Not if he comes back in the playoffs when there is no cap , the issue is even if we do win it all this year we are going to be starting with 69.9 million for 13 players in a flat cap world of 81.5 thats 11.6 million for 10 players and we are riding Campbell and Hutch . Looks like a 1 hit wonder at best not the dynasty team we were supposed to be building .

I'll take one cup. Our core is locked in, so I don't think this is a one year affair, but rather the first of four years. After that who knows.
 
Dont love giving up a 1st, but we need to get our heads out of our asses and move on. Were not a rebuilding team anymore!

Leafs can never have too much grit, leadership and motors on this team, so Foligno adds to the balance.

Between this and the Nash deal, the Leafs made a couple solid playoff adds.

Feel like were going with this in the playoffs, barring another deal.

Foligno - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Engvall - Mikheyev
Spezza - Nash - Simmonds
 
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The 2021 draft is a wash for anyone not in the playoffs. Maybe an overpayment by normal standards, but I don’t think so this year.
 
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