Confirmed Trade: [TOR/BOS] Brandon Carlo (15% retained) for Fraser Minten, cond. 2026 1st round pick (top 5 protected), 2025 4th round pick

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Very odd seeing things in real time. Not a single Leaf fan is acting like we got a top dman. Yet last few pages are filled with Leaf haters citing these imaginary posts.

We're hoping he is a good #4 dman who can boost our PK and hopefully find some chemistry with Rielly so he can go back to being good again
 
Interesting takes either way.

Fraser Minten looked good in spurts. But it became apparent that further development was needed. Nothing noteworthy there. From a developmental standpoint, acquiring Laughton, likely re-signing Tavares means that Minten was going to be at best a 4C for some time to come. Nothing necessarily noteworthy there except for the fact that his defensive reads are also a work in progress, typical for a 20 year old learning the game.

My sense is our scouting department see Nick Abruzzese and Fraser Minten as relatively equal in terms of stage/development. Fraser Minten is presently "a name" while no one was talking about Abruzzese as a potential trade chip.

Recently, center Alex Steeves - who is 24 and has 30 goals in the AHL - had a cup of coffee with the Leafs and looked good. Maybe even a future 4C for our club given the current makeup.

NCAA MVP Jason Quillan, who is/was also a C, is finding his game in the AHL with distinction vs Minten's game. So from Toronto's perspective, one of our media messaged "names" ranks somewhere between 9 and 11 in our system, 9-10 if we equally value "potential" but 11 on the nose for where he is developmentally production-wise:
  1. Auston Matthews
  2. John Tavares
  3. William Nylander
  4. Scott Laughton
  5. Max Domi
  6. Steve Lorentz
  7. David Kampf
  8. Alex Steeves
  9. Jason Quillan; 10. Nick Abruzzese; 11. Fraser Minten
My understanding is, according to some Bruins members, Brandon Carlo is garbage. Well, one man's treasure, right? Carlo has the same number of points as David Kampf. But most former players/media pundits while acknowledging Carlo's struggles, also make the point that Fraser Minten and the '27 conditional 1st wouldn't have been enough to acquire him a short time ago.

Perhaps Bruins management knows something. We hope this was a good faith deal. And in the event it was, perhaps Bruins management sees Mitchell or Brunett as coming on and needing a spot next year and they, for whatever reason, like what they see in Minten. Great: win-win with risk.

But Carlo's cap hit is ideal for our needs. And if he returns to form it's a bullseye for us, again, according to what our needs are on defense.

So, while Fraser Minten has been a name, our actual loss from our considered depth is somewhere between 9-11 for a 28-year-old Bruins developed 6'5" defensive defenseman who remained a + while a number of defensemen on Boston remain minuses. For our needs, Carlo would rank around 4th:
  1. Brandon Tanev
  2. Jake McCabe
  3. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
  4. Brandon Carlo
We'll take that offset for our present and near-term future needs all day every day.

Everyone can obviously draw their own conclusions, but to suggest Toronto got fleeced, doesn't understand what Toronto needs or sees for its own composition towards contention. And for the record, I don't see us winning the Conference. But we've definitely taken good steps towards getting there in the next couple of seasons. And I think it's pretty plain to see for thinking fans of the game.
 
Why would Toronto trade a 1st, their 2nd best prospect, and a 4th for a guy who Toronto fans were calling Justin Holl 2.0 just a couple weeks ago? lol.
Probably to get rid of said prospect that every other fanbase said wasn't worth anything every time a Leafs fan put him into a trade proposal?
 
Very odd seeing things in real time. Not a single Leaf fan is acting like we got a top dman. Yet last few pages are filled with Leaf haters citing these imaginary posts.

We're hoping he is a good #4 dman who can boost our PK and hopefully find some chemistry with Rielly so he can go back to being good again

“Good lord. 1st 2nd + for CARLO? Jesus christ… This guy is Justin Holl 2.0 for god sakes”

-Hockey Virus 2 weeks ago

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As a Bs fan, I like Carlo. He will do well in Toronto. Calling him soft is wrong, he doesn’t shy from contact or not take the body, he just has no nasty or snarl to his game at all. And zero offense. If you had to take a drink every time he made a tape to tape pass to a forward you’d be the most sober guy on the planet at the end of the game. He’s a great skater for his size, has a really good stick, and can play a ton of minutes on the PK and defensive zone and never really look tired.
Sounds like that’s exactly what Toronto wants/ expects him to be.
 
Quite an interesting thread so far.

Carlo is exactly what the Leafs needed. There's a reason why the Bruins were successful for as many years as they were with Carlo on their roster and Carlo was one of those reasons. Carlo is a playoffs built dman.

I'm perhaps one of Minten's biggest advocates, I believe he is (was) Toronto's best prospect. He might never be the most productive player but I see a Danault type upside in him. While I don't think he'll ever be a true second line centre, I think he's got potential to be a really good middle 6 centre.

I believe this to be the best trade made by the Leafs in decades. I love their trade deadline moves.

Hopefully they face the Panthers in the first round and lost in 7 though.
 
Probably to get rid of said prospect that every other fanbase said wasn't worth anything every time a Leafs fan put him into a trade proposal?
With the high paid forwards on the leafs you would think they want some contributing ELCs in their bottom 6 and Minten seems like a low ceiling/high floor type. If I were Toronto I would have rather moved another pick instead of a guy like Minten who seems pretty polished and a likely NHLer even if he’s just a 4th liner.
 
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He's a Berube/Tre style D in the same light as McCabe and Tanev. He doesn't need to be overly flashy or physical, just use his size to play solid and simple. Leafs get him for 3.5M two seasons after this one - you won't find that kind of value from this summers UFAs and cap value is something the Leafs need more than anything. Tre paid a hefty price to get him - I think Minten is a lock to be at least a bottom 6 center - but we have a 4 year cup window with Matthews contract and Carlo fits in perfectly.

It sounds like the Leafs are getting a big-body D that plays a pure shutdown role, is good in front of the net, blocks shots but doesn’t do much else or have any passing ability. Would you say he’s more of a #3 shutdown D, a #4 D or #5?

Regarding Minten, I think you’re getting a future top-9 center. He’s one of the smartest 20-year-olds I’ve watched play; his positioning at center and defensive awareness are off the charts. The thing with Minten will be how his offense matures.
 
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With the high paid forwards on the leafs you would think they want some contributing ELCs in their bottom 6 and Minten seems like a low ceiling/high floor type. If I were Toronto I would have rather moved another pick instead of a guy like Minten who seems pretty polished and a likely NHLer even if he’s just a 4th liner.
no room for him. Laughton is better then him now and next year at 1.5 mil. They have Cowan, McMann, Holmberg and Laughton all at 1.5 or under in a cap hit. This move means that the cap is fixed for the D and goaltending for next season and for the d 2 seasons from this year. The best they Minten was going to be was a 4th C over Kampf for a savings of 1.7 million and that would be a down grade from Kampf.
 
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All you people with negative attitude towards this man need to realize that Leafs just added him to just play D.. Were not expecting points scored or any assists just to help Tanev out of more minutes so he his refreshed out there. Leafs needed help at rd and they got it. No need to make false claims against his defensive abilities.

Ya people need to realize we had Connor Timmins on our 2nd PK unit, Rielly and OEL paired with a combination of Timmins, Myers and Benoit.

Bringing in Carlo not only improves us defensively, it takes a lot of the defensive responsibilities away from Reilly and OEL and we might see an uptick in their play.

People can question the price, but cannot question that he really is the perfect fit.
 
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no room for him. Laughton is better than him now and next year at 1.5 mil. They have Cowan, McMann, Holmberg and Laughton all at 1.5 or under in a cap hit. This move means that the cap is fixed for the D and goaltending for next season and for the d 2 seasons from this year. The best they Minten was going to be was a 4th C over Kampf for a savings of 1.7 million and that would be a down grade from Kampf.
Hey I don’t blame the leafs for going for it. You gotta give to get just saying if I were the leafs I would have rather moved another pick. Minten still has 2 more years after this on his elc and I think he’s more likely to help the current roster in it’s window than any future pick.
 
Huge, RH dman under 29, contract for 2 more years under 4 million. Got to pay to get and even more if its a division rival.

I hate giving up Minten but Tavares isn't getting younger and these next two playoffs are probably our best shot at the cup. That is unless McDavid comes at the end of next year. ;)
 
It’s all in good fun. I think if Carlo can get back to how he was playing the last few years this is a pretty fair trade. A normal trade deadline overpayment.
OH I know. I just found it hilarious ( still laughing) that someone quoted Hockeyvirus's talent evaluation. Earlier in the year he was talking about McMann being a the worse forward on the Leafs. He is only scoring at a 30 goal pace since being put into the lineup on a full time basis around this time last year. He is actually scoring at a 40 goal pace but I subtrated a 10 game segment where he scored at a 70 goal pace.

Carlo will see all his underlying number jump very quickly with the Leafs simply due to coaching and speed of the team. I am a Flyer's fan and then a hockey fan who lives in Toronto so while I see a ton of Leafs hockey I see lots of Boston games too. How in the world anyone on the Bruins coaching staff thought having both Zadorov and Carlo together on the same pairing was a good idea is beyond me. Neither guy can pass thier way out of trouble and both guys cannot skate out of a forecheck. add in that Boston's forwards maybe the worst skating group in the NHL and that was a recipe for disaster. The Leafs are the complete opposite. Carlo with either Rielly or McCabe is going to see his numbers jump.
 

“Good lord. 1st 2nd + for CARLO? Jesus christ… This guy is Justin Holl 2.0 for god sakes”

-Hockey Virus 2 weeks ago

:laugh:

What are you trying to convey here? I am not a fan of the player, but no one is pretending we got some stud that is carrying the team. He's filling a role we have a need for and is cheap.
 
It’s all in good fun. I think if Carlo can get back to how he was playing the last few years this is a pretty fair trade. A normal trade deadline overpayment.
Are you sure we overpaid? There's a major shortage of good right-handed shot defensemen—that's just the market price. Even Luke Schenn returned a 2nd and a 4th.

Even if Carlo has regressed and has zero offense, I would argue that a #4 RD who’s 28 and has three years of term at just 3.5 m is worth a 1st-round pick plus a prospect. There are literally no good right-handed defensemen available. Only Carlo and Schenn were available that were top 4.
 
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