Rumor: TOR and John Tavares close to a deal: 3 years at 7 million

[Americanadian]

All we have to do is pray that our players don't play up to their potential right before they sign a contract and we can get the same value too, just like Pastrnak, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Marchand, and more did on their sweetheart deals.



They have, just not collectively or consistently.

Our core has proven they can have great series, they just need to be consistent in doing it.

Our depth scoring is always the biggest issue.

"something, something, no money for depth scoring"

We spend the same as most teams, our goalies are very cheap.

I’d say the core 4 is an issue in the playoffs. All 4 are under a point per game in their career. All 4 are in the top 10 paid forwards.

 

[keonsbitterness]

We haven't even lost in the 1st round yet and MLSE has already decided to run this thing back. LMFAO

Seems like the decision to run it back happened well before this season.

 

[Americanadian]

That's just showing Bennett created an amaizing chemistry with Tkachuk, Bennett on previous 2 without Tkachuk, 2 goal 8 pts in 15 games
goal decreasing of at 40%
Pts decreasing at 59%

Wich version of Bennett leafs would get by signing him?!?!?!

And in regular season their production are just no even close.

2- Absolutly nothing would guarantee Bennett would want to sign in Toronto. The fact Bennett is an ontario guy doesn't mean they will want to play in the market... And i know its something people will don't like but the way Marner been treated last summer will not help to convince player to come in Toronto. Before thinking about with team theywant to play in, they must think about wich city they want to live in.

So do you put all your eggs in Bennett with high risk he don't have interest to come in Toronto outside of being overpay?!?!?! And you don't even know wich version of Bennett you will see and if

If only there were high end wingers in Toronto…

What if Bennet doesn't want to sign in Toronto?

I’m not saying he will sign in Toronto. What I am saying is if he signs for the same as Tavares (presumably in Florida) that will just further extend the divide between the two teams in the playoffs.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm going to guess there will be deferred money here but either way, it's too high. He's having a good season and he's been great for us... but man... Always top dollar for these players. I hope he doesn't show too much regression by the end of it.

At minimum he's not really giving the team a discount,.he's taking market rate for pretty clear comparables for stars in their mid 30s.

While I'm still okay with the extension, it's a bit of a shame I was hoping for a deal that started with a 5 or 6.

 

[thewave]

Seems like the decision to run it back happened well before this season.

Then they are selling jerseys. Obviously that isn't to be taken entirely literally as jerseys to me simply means the individual player, media attention, merch, a narrative and all the ways popular individuals sell a product on their own and combined with the other popular players.

They are a regular season globe trotter team and pitching the we want to win bs which isn't true.

 

[likecheese]

He's made 111M US in his career (135M in current $) so the fact that he wants to bleed us for every last nickel in his final contract is not a good look. And what possible sense does it make to sign him before seeing the playoff performance, unless they're playing the "take it now or leave it" game. When do you just say no? Get some speed in the lineup, this team is getting ugly to watch on most nights.

 

[thewave]

He's made 111M US in his career (135M in current $) so the fact that he wants to bleed us for every last nickel in his final contract is not a good look. And what possible sense does it make to sign him before seeing the playoff performance, unless they're playing the "take it now or leave it" game. When do you just say no? Get some speed in the lineup, this team is getting ugly to watch on most nights.

They better win this year. Father time ain't waiting for nobody

Tanev old
OEL old
Rielly playing like a grandpa
JT old

And those are key freaking players!! KEY!! With term and in some cases NMC

 

[wingman75]

$1.5m too much I feel. Like, who are we bidding against? He doesn't want to leave.
$5.5m, probably still too much, but much more reasonable and provides some additional depth cap space.

This organization prides itself on treating it's players well... but when does the organization start to look out for itself? Does it really want to win, or just be seen as the nice guy?

I've been told nice guys finish last (or at least don't win).

 

[Sundinisagod]

I knew with his resurgence in his contract year he wasn’t giving a discount. He’s coasted through the last 5 years of his contract, he’ll coast through the entirety of the new deal. Has set a terrible example for our star players both on the ice and in contract negotiations. Terrible in the playoffs, maybe even worse than Marner. He and Marner both need to go, it’s now or never for a culture change.

 

[Epictetus]

Why
Why now
Why at all

 

[thewave]

At minimum he's not really giving the team a discount,.he's taking market rate for pretty clear comparables for stars in their mid 30s.

While I'm still okay with the extension, it's a bit of a shame I was hoping for a deal that started with a 5 or 6.

Why on earth would you saddle yourself with these old men yet again when the wining teams are moving like lightning out there.

You know when you load up with old dudes? When you are rebuilding and bring in a lot of reliable defensively sound old guys with leadership skills.

This team's priorities and strategy is shit

 

[likecheese]

They better win this year. Father time ain't waiting for nobody

Tanev old
OEL old
Rielly playing like a grandpa
JT old

And those are key freaking players!! KEY!! With term and in some cases NMC

The only rationale for bringing them back after another playoff dud is if you have some young talent in the pipeline to compliment them bigly. It's not like we have this great pool of talented young dmen coming up anytime soon.

 

[Rare Jewel]

"Well, it's market value" is the copium you say before a bad deal is signed.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I'd walk him out the door at that price.

 

[thewave]

"Well, it's market value" is the copium you say before a bad deal is signed.

MLSE is a basket case organization.

Shanahan was supposed to build a system and style of play similar to the golden years of the red wings. They started with discipline and Lou and Babcock. Switched to moneyball Dubas nuhockey, soft hockey fast hockey and then back to the middle ground. That is exactly what truculant Burke did with run and gun Wilson. They ended up with another identity crisis team. A basketcase that took on old players and let people walk for nothing or overpaid.

They can't win like this

I'd walk him out the door at that price.

Anyone with a brain would. Get a younger faster more physical player for that money

 

[Skullz]

I don't get this at all. He is coming off a 7 X 77 million dollar deal. He has a wife from TOR and three kids. Has settled down and wants to stay. If that's the best discount he is willing to give then let him move on. It is too much money for an aging player, and we haven't won anything with this configuration of players. I he wants to take something with a caphit beginning with a 5, then sure. Otherwise, see you.

 

[thewave]

I don't get this at all. He is coming off a 7 X 77 million dollar deal. He has a wife from TOR and three kids. Has settled down and wants to stay. If that's the best discount he is willing to give then let him move on. It is too much money for an aging player, and we haven't won anything with this configuration of players. I he wants to take something with a caphit beginning with a 5, then sure. Otherwise, see you.

Are you familiar with the Muskoka 5?

 

[hamzarocks]

Why on earth would you saddle yourself with these old men yet again when the wining teams are moving like lightning out there.

You know when you load up with old dudes? When you are rebuilding and bring in a lot of reliable defensively sound old guys with leadership skills.

This team's priorities and strategy is shit

03-04 leafs season was also a fine time to go for old once superstars players as the core was dwindling down to their last few years of being able to contend

We acquired Leetch and had intention to contend for 04 and then 05 (lockout ruined that) with the team being led by older core players and the team having had some success via 1999 and 2002 ECF runs.

Sucks we dealt Rask otherwise history would have been very different for the leafs

Right now with still ~3-4 prime seasons left of 34, 88 and 16 you need to determine is a core 5 of those 3 + 91 and 44 enough to contend?

Should 16 at his reported AAV be a leaf?

Just giving 20-21M to 16 and 91 this summer is not smart management.

It is lazy and choosing to give these core guys another 3 years of nedia coverage and overhyping before early exits in spring.

If you believe Marner can be won with then he needs to work with us to make up for his previous failures. Dont go over 11M on his new deal, screw internal cap structure

If you believe Tavares can be a winning player don't go a $ over 4.5M.

Marner and Tavares cant make more than a combined ~16M tops for us to be improving the team next year.

The combined 22M they make now needs to shrink to ideally 15-16M to give us room to make some moves in the summer

 

[notbias]

I’d say the core 4 is an issue in the playoffs. All 4 are under a point per game in their career. All 4 are in the top 10 paid forwards.

They have been PPG the last 3 seasons, no longer an issue? Obviously excluding Tavares.

As I said, they have had good and bad series, their biggest issue is consistency.

The one year we got depth scoring, we advanced.

We have more than a single issue.

 

[Trapper]

Seems like the decision to run it back happened well before this season.

MLSE knows how to make money and sell jerseys. They don’t know how to put a winner together. Neither does the management on down.
10 years ago they drafted 3 guys and if they can’t do it, they have no answers.
They don't want to upset the apple cart by making changes that would affect at the very least the status quo we have now.

So until our guys age to the level of Thornton/Marleau/Pavekski where you can no longer argue about moving one, we will keep the same core. It’s safe regular season. Either we get lucky and win or we become this generation San Jose Sharks. So far with even less playoff success.

By the time the Nylander contract is set to expire we will have the answer.

 

[Americanadian]

They have been PPG the last 3 seasons, no longer an issue? As I said, they have had good and bad series, their biggest issue is consistency.

Nylander isn't, Tavares isn't. 21 players (min 10 GP) have scored at a point per game rate or better in the playoffs over the last 3 seasons. The Leafs have 2 of those 21 and no one inside the top 15 in points per game, yet they have 4 of the 10 highest paid forwards in the league on the roster.

 

[notbias]

I knew with his resurgence in his contract year he wasn’t giving a discount. He’s coasted through the last 5 years of his contract, he’ll coast through the entirety of the new deal. Has set a terrible example for our star players both on the ice and in contract negotiations. Terrible in the playoffs, maybe even worse than Marner. He and Marner both need to go, it’s now or never for a culture change.

He had a down year last year, this isn't a resurgence, this is normal.

I don't get this at all. He is coming off a 7 X 77 million dollar deal. He has a wife from TOR and three kids. Has settled down and wants to stay. If that's the best discount he is willing to give then let him move on. It is too much money for an aging player, and we haven't won anything with this configuration of players. I he wants to take something with a caphit beginning with a 5, then sure. Otherwise, see you.

100% this, they have all the leverage, this is similar to the Stamkos deal which has already aged poorly, they need to put some pressure on him.

Tavares still has value, but this seems like too much, I'd be pushing for 5x3 and hoping to end up between 5-6 a year, he is still a good player.

Nylander isn't, Tavares isn't. 21 players (min 10 GP) have scored at a point per game rate or better in the playoffs over the last 3 seasons. The Leafs have 2 of those 21 and no one inside the top 15 in points per game, yet they have 4 of the 10 highest paid forwards in the league on the roster.

So Nylander is an issue? Doesn't seem to be a popular opinion here.

Regardless, my point is, that depth scoring has been as big of an issue as the core not performing up to their level.

Core needs to be consistent too.

 

[Americanadian]

So Nylander is an issue? Doesn't seem to be a popular opinion here.

Regardless, my point is, that depth scoring has been as big of an issue as the core not performing up to their level.

Core needs to be consistent too.

Nylander being <point per game for 11.5M is a problem. Nylander being <point per game at 6.9M isn't a problem.

I fully agree depth scoring isn't an issue but this thread is about re-signing Tavares for 7M which makes it difficult to find competent depth scoring (especially when Tavares has scored at a 23 goal pace the past 2 playoff runs).

 

[thewave]

03-04 leafs season was also a fine time to go for old once superstars players as the core was dwindling down to their last few years of being able to contend

We acquired Leetch and had intention to contend for 04 and then 05 (lockout ruined that) with the team being led by older core players and the team having had some success via 1999 and 2002 ECF runs.

Sucks we dealt Rask otherwise history would have been very different for the leafs

I see that and agree.

Right now with still ~3-4 prime seasons left of 34, 88 and 16 you need to determine is a core 5 of those 3 + 91 and 44 enough to contend?

Should 16 at his reported AAV be a leaf?

Just giving 20-21M to 16 and 91 this summer is not smart management.

It is lazy and choosing to give these core guys another 3 years of nedia coverage and overhyping before early exits in spring.

Right. The overall cost of JT and MM will be similar to that of today the way it sounds. 13.5m + 7-7.5m?

I suppose they don't grasp lack of success or the concept of aging and reduced production.

If you believe Marner can be won with then he needs to work with us to make up for his previous failures. Dont go over 11M on his new deal, screw internal cap structure

If you believe Tavares can be a winning player don't go a $ over 4.5M.

Marner and Tavares cant make more than a combined ~16M tops for us to be improving the team next year.

The combined 22M they make now needs to shrink to ideally 15-16M to give us room to make some moves in the summer

I agree with all of this but it's not happening. It needs to happen though if serious about winning.

Nylander being <point per game for 11.5M is a problem. Nylander being <point per game at 6.9M isn't a problem.

I fully agree depth scoring isn't an issue but this thread is about re-signing Tavares for 7M which makes it difficult to find competent depth scoring (especially when Tavares has scored at a 23 goal pace the past 2 playoff runs).

They overpaid Nylander and now must overpay Marner to keep him. Matthews is a 3 time rocket guy and was going to get paid no matter what.

7m-7.5m JT and 13.5m Marner is basically the same money for older player that have proven they can't get it done and one who is at that age.

 

[hullsy47]

I fully support Rogers giving it a whirl. Bell and Larry are questionable operators.

I hope rogers steps in before we trade cowan or minten for scraps
The biggest problem is marner
Plain as day on team canada
He just

Kadri 7x7 (expires at 38)
Huberdeau 10.5x8 (expires at 38)
Giordano 6.75x6 (expired at 38)
Tanev 4.5x6 (expires at 40)

Our entire top 4 will expire at 35+.

There are other examples of players being signed to decent-sized contracts that all expire at 35+.

This seems in line with Treliving not thinking players fall off with age.



Don't want the contract at 7x3, to be honest, I think it is too rich for what could be a lower-end 2C shortly.

But this is not new for Treliving, I don't think many people have looked at Calgary if they think it is.

I hope rogers cans them all