TSN: Top 50 nhl players

[ForzaItalia]

Trade your best offensive player to get Backstrom.... and who does Backstrom play with?

No way does that trade get done. If we got Backstrom (which isn't going to happen because Washington is likely not trading him), the goal would be to surround him with your best players.

It's easier to build around a 1C than it is to get one.

It doesn't get done because like you mentioned, McPhee says no.

That's why I say Nonis does it in a second.

 

[zeke]

TSN Forward Rank v. Forward PPG (Min 20gms)

P.Kessel: -27 (10th PPG, 37th TSN)
J.Neal: -17 (9th PPG, 26th TSN)
N.Backstrom: -16 (7th PPG, 23rd TSN)
M.Gaborik: -12 (23rd PPG, 35th TSN)
J.Spezza: -11 (6th PPG, 17th TSN)
J.Thornton: -11 (19th PPG, 30th TSN)
T.Hall: -11 (28th PPG, 39th TSN)
I.Kovalchuk: -7 (5th PPG, 12th TSN)
J.Eberle: -5 (14th PPG, 19th TSN)
M.Hossa: -4 (18th PPG, 22nd TSN)
M.St.Louis: -4 (16th PPG, 20th TSN)
R.N-Hopkins: -3 (35th PPG, 38th TSN)
J.Benn: -3 (26th PPG, 29th TSN)
J.Tavares: -3 (11th PPG, 14th TSN)
S.Crosby: +0 (1st PPG, 1st TSN)
E.Malkin: +0 (2nd PPG, 2nd TSN)
C.Giroux: +0 (3rd PPG, 3rd TSN)
S.Stamkos: +0 (4th PPG, 4th TSN)
H.Sedin: +3 (11th PPG, 8th TSN)
J.Toews: +8 (14th PPG, 6th TSN)
J.Staal: +9 (45th PPG, 36th TSN)
P.Datsyuk: +12 (17th PPG, 5th TSN)
J.Iginla: +13 (40th PPG, 27th TSN)
L.Couture: +13 (44th PPG, 31st TSN)
A.Kopitar: +14 (23rd PPG, 9th TSN)
B.Richards: +14 (46th PPG, 32nd TSN)
D.Sedin: +15 (22nd PPG, 7th TSN)
E.Staal: +15 (30th PPG, 15th TSN)
T.Sequin: +17 (38th PPG, 21st TSN)
P.Kane: +18 (46th PPG, 28th TSN)
H.Zetterberg: +18 (34th PPG, 16th TSN)
Z.Parise: +21 (32nd PPG, 10th TSN)
A.Ovechkin: +26 (39th PPG, 11th TSN)
P.Bergeron: +28 (53rd PPG, 25th TSN)
C.Perry: +54 (67th PPG, 13th TSN)
R.Nash: +61 (80th PPG, 18th TSN)
R.Getzlaf: +65 (89th PPG, 24th TSN)
D.Brown: +67 (100th PPG, 33rd TSN)
M.Richards: +90 (124th PPG, 34th TSN)


TSN Dman Rank v. Defensemen PPG (Min 20gms)

K.Letang: -5 (2nd PPG, 7th TSN)
E.Karlsson: -1 (1st PPG, 2nd TSN)
A.Pietrangelo: +0 (6th PPG, 6th TSN)
Z.Chara: +1 (4th PPG, 3rd TSN)
R.Suter: +5 (10th PPG, 5th TSN)
S.Weber: +6 (7th PPG, 1st TSN)
D.Keith: +10 (18th PPG, 8th TSN)
D.Doughty: +25 (29th PPG, 4th TSN)


TSN Goalie Rank v. SV% Amongst Fulltime Starting Goalies

H.Lundqvist: +0 (1st SV%, 1st TSN)
J.Quick: +0 (2nd SV%, 2nd TSN)
P.Rinne: +0 (3rd SV%, 3rd TSN)



Not only is Kessel by far the lowest ranked fplayer compared to his PPG or SV%, but there's only one forward in the entire NHL that finished top-15 in the NHL in forward PPG and failed to make the list.....and that would be one Joffrey Lupul.

I imagine that the Leafs must have been by far the worst team in hockey to justify ranking the Leafs top scorers with superior PPG lower than the top scorers of teams like, say, columbus, edmonton, etc.

The only guys that came close to Kessel on that list are Neal and Backstrom, guys who understandably get knocked down for the perception that they're leeching off of players like Crosby, Malkin, and Ovie.

At the other end of the list, no real surprise to see a bunch of players from the cup winners get overrated, that always happens. Also understandable that guys like Perry and Getzlaf are ranked far better than their off-year stats after performing at an elite level for years before.

No real explanation as to why Nash continues to get so overrated. They must feel sorry for him because apparently he plays on a bad team without any elite linemates. Oh wait, for some reason that only works for Nash, not Kessel.

 

[huge*]

Sorry they tried to rank players based on how they'd do this year. What were they supposed to do to make you happy, rank everyone in the order in which they finished last year in points? That wouldnt be very insightful now wold it. I personally agree that this is the year seguin surpasses kessel. I think he will have more points than him.

 

[lampshade*]

TSN sure is drawing a long bow here. How in the hell do they slide "downs" into the 25 slot?

 

[ForzaItalia]

Sorry they tried to rank players based on how they'd do this year. What were they supposed to do to make you happy, rank everyone in the order in which they finished last year in points? That wouldnt be very insightful now wold it. I personally agree that this is the year seguin surpasses kessel. I think he will have more points than him.

I disagree. How can you grade someone on how you think they'll do?

It's all about the real numbers and not "forecasting."

 

[-DeMo-]

I disagree. How can you grade someone on how you think they'll do?

It's all about the real numbers and not "forecasting."

they did this list on how they think they would do Duthie said so himself thats why Kesler was held off the list because he will miss a month or more of the season.

 

[ForzaItalia]

they did this list on how they think they would do Duthie said so himself thats why Kesler was held off the list because he will miss a month or more of the season.

I understand and respect that.

I just disagree with it.

 

[zeke]

Must be just a coincidence that they "think" the two leafs with elite PPG will do worse than less productive players from every other team in the league, then.

 

[Mess]

I disagree. How can you grade someone on how you think they'll do?

It's all about the real numbers and not "forecasting."

They considered a lot of things in their "best or top" ranked players that included intangibles as well as heart and leadership, grit, impact on their teams success etc etc.

You don't need any list of panelist to make the list if its simply about goals and assists as anyone could pick up a final scorers list for any year and see that for themselves. Points alone being the point doesn't make you a good all around player considered among the NHLs best.

This wasn't designed to be a fantasy pool ranking as to who will score the most points this year, it was an attempt to rank the NHLs best players overall in the game today in their opinion.

 

[huge*]

Must be just a coincidence that they "think" the two leafs with elite PPG will do worse than less productive players from every other team in the league, then.

Makes complete sense actually with us playing a Carlyle system, one in which kessel struggled in massively last year. Check his totals under Carlyle. Extremely pedestrian.

 

[zeke]

yep, makes total sense that PPG means far less for the top scoring leafs than it does for players on any other team in the league.

total sense.

the leafs were apparently the only team in hockey to play an offensive style. the only one.

 

[deuce457]

i think toews is ranked too high, ya he is a great player, but 6th is too high, the guy only had 57 pts last year. I know he brings the intangibles, but he should be more like 10th or so. I would have the sedins and henrik lundqvist higher.

 

[achtungbaby]

i think toews is ranked too high, ya he is a great player, but 6th is too high, the guy only had 57 pts last year. I know he brings the intangibles, but he should be more like 10th or so. I would have the sedins and henrik lundqvist higher.

He had 57 points in 59 games but whatever. You're only suggesting that he deserves to be 4 spots lower so it's not that big of a difference.

 

[huge*]

yep, makes total sense that PPG means far less for the top scoring leafs than it does for players on any other team in the league.

total sense.

the leafs were apparently the only team in hockey to play an offensive style. the only one.

Another butt hurt leaf

 

[zeke]

"butthurt" is so 2011, kiddo.

 

[HarrisonFord]

Toews at #6 beacuse of being #1 in the category of intangibles

 

[Sergei Berezin]

I still can't get over Mike Richards and Dustin Brown being higher than Phil Kessel.

 

[Mr Scarface*]

I still can't get over Mike Richards and Dustin Brown being higher than Phil Kessel.

Captenious and leadership qualities with fighting spirit on the ice are getting so much respect.

This will only make Phil Kessel score even more for us. Now he (wants) to be better and higher than Richards and Brown. He really wants that crown.

 

[Leafs For Life*]

lol Brown is a good 2nd liner, overrated x100

 

[TheSilencer]

i think toews is ranked too high, ya he is a great player, but 6th is too high, the guy only had 57 pts last year. I know he brings the intangibles, but he should be more like 10th or so. I would have the sedins and henrik lundqvist higher.

I actually would not have been surprised if they placed Towes in Top 3. TSN/CBC has been trying for years to install it in our head that Towes and his intangibles are not to be messed with.

 

[The CyNick]

Kessel could be so low because he folds in big games (ie Bruins).

As a pure goal scorer he's great, but that doesn't automatically make him top 30 or 40 in the league. Should he has been 42nd instead of 47th? Maybe. But honestly, who cares? Its just a random waste of time list.

I bet if you got random people from other team boards and asked them to rank the top 50 players, Kessel would end up anywhere between low 30s to 50.

 

[TheSilencer]

Parise, Nash, Suter, Eric Staal are all ranked higher than they deserved, in my opinion.

 

[Christ]

Makes complete sense actually with us playing a Carlyle system, one in which kessel struggled in massively last year. Check his totals under Carlyle. Extremely pedestrian.

Was it that Kessel struggled with the system or that he was playing with an injured wrist and without Lupul? Honestly as soon as Lupul went down, Kessel's point totals dropped drastically.

 

[JSn0w93]

Carey Price should absolutely be on this list.

 

[lebdafor norris]

The fact that giroux who had his 1st ppg+ season last year is rank 3rd and ovy whose been doing this thru out his entire career except for last season is rank 14th leads me to think that the writer must have short term memory.