Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part V

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Hard to say...foxs shot kinda reminds me of shattys, low and accurate.
Interesting point.

I'd say Fox has Tony beat on point shots. Like you said, low and accurate and those shots are super valuable on the PP. But Tony has a better shot from 10-20 feet in and is, dare I say, world class at opening passing lanes and lateral movement which makes his shot way more valuble.
 
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Interesting point.

I'd say Fox has Tony beat on point shots. Like you said, low and accurate and those shots are super valuable on the PP. But Tony has a better shot from 10-20 feet in and is, dare I say, world class at opening passing lanes and lateral movement which makes his shot way more valuble.

That might be fair. By defenseman standards, DeAngelo is more of a sniper. He can step up and pick corners. I think he's more dynamic than Fox in that category.
 
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I want to keep DeAngelo for a little while at least. I want to see how he does unfettered by Staal and with at least some defensive coaching via Martin. I think he's still got a little defensive upside untapped and if I'm right, then he either becomes a better dman or a much higher value trade chip.
 
I really don't want to trade DeAngelo unless we're getting a bona fide star center coming back...guys like him are guys we've been trying to get for ages..plays with an edge..offensively gifted and he can definitely play both sides.

Let's see him with a good coach and with a good partner
Agreed. This is a huge reason why if we do have to trade him, which looks likely in the future, I want to wait until he has another year under his belt here to continue to drive his value up with another big season. If we trade him now I don't think we will get what he should fetch. Like you said, I want a top top young center coming back. Not some future 45-55 point 2nd line center.
 
I think Tony's best chance to stay here is to not fight the Rangers too hard on term. The Rangers do not want to do long term and I agree with that. The next long term deal the Rangers do should be Zibanejad. If Tony's determined to get a 5/6 year deal for $30-35 mil. I think the Rangers move on from him. All that can be taken care of through the arbitration process though which is about 1 and 2 year deals.
 
You’re probably gonna be disappointed then when Gorton inevitably moves him for Elias Lindholm in the next two weeks
I would definitely prefer a younger player that is most cost controlled, but he almost hit 80 points 2 years ago so it wouldn't be the worst trade.

edit - he actually has a very favorable contract.
 
Any chance there's a 3-4 year extension option that Tony would consider? If so, what are we thinking the AAV looks like? $5-6M?

That's the sweet spot for term that I'm looking at if I'm Gorton. I'm just not sure if that's something Tony would realistically consider.
 
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Any chance there's a 3-4 year extension option that Tony would consider? If so, what are we thinking the AAV looks like? $5-6M?

That's the sweet spot for term that I'm looking at if I'm Gorton. I'm just not sure if that's something Tony would realistically consider.

imo it's either 2y/4.5-5m or 6-7y/5.5-6.6m. I want the bridge.

Camp TDA should also bridge. If he delivers it's jackpot time, with us or some other team.
 
Like the song said, Tony is here for a good time, not a long time. Unless we win the cup in the next 2 years he won't hoist one here.
 
Any chance there's a 3-4 year extension option that Tony would consider? If so, what are we thinking the AAV looks like? $5-6M?

That's the sweet spot for term that I'm looking at if I'm Gorton. I'm just not sure if that's something Tony would realistically consider.

and what if the market calls for $4 million due to Covid wrecking revenues and a flat cap?

IMO, so long as the flat cap plays hardball each and every GM has to play hardball with agents. Agents will realize these are different times.
 
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imo it's either 2y/4.5-5m or 6-7y/5.5-6.6m. I want the bridge.

Camp TDA should also bridge. If he delivers it's jackpot time, with us or some other team.

To me Tony is a smaller right handed version of Keith Yandle. The Rangers didn't give Yandle long term and I don't think they'll give Tony long term either. Next year I suspect the Rangers are going to try to extend Mika long term. The year after they may be looking at locking up Kakko and Igor and the year after that Lafreniere. If all these kids become stars they're going to make a lot of money. All this working around a flattened cap.....and then there's Fox too.
 
To me Tony is a smaller right handed version of Keith Yandle. The Rangers didn't give Yandle long term and I don't think they'll give Tony long term either. Next year I suspect the Rangers are going to try to extend Mika long term. The year after they may be looking at locking up Kakko and Igor and the year after that Lafreniere. If all these kids become stars they're going to make a lot of money. All this working around a flattened cap.....and then there's Fox too.

not playing or signing yandle was a terrible decision...hopefully the team learns from their mistakes rather than repeat them.
 
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Theres a Part B to the statement:

Especially if there’s a chance to get Lundkvist to contribute on an ELC from 2021-2024.

Agreed, all he has to do is adequately hold down the 3rd pair rd at a cheap rate, though i do believe he will be better than that by a fair margin.
 
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Agreed, all he has to do is adequately hold down the 3rd pair rd at a cheap rate, though i do believe he will be better than that by a fair margin.

With ADA I think it’s easy to get caught up in individual production. By that I mean that it’s easy to look at moving ADA in isolation and say we won’t replace that level of offense. The truth is that we likely wouldn’t — from a single player.

But in the event that ADA is traded, I don’t think the objective is to necessarily replace offensive production in fell swoop.

The idea would be that Fox gives you 80 percent of that production and superior all-around play, while Lundkvist gives you some production and you make yourself stronger in another area (let’s say center for example).

Maybe a Trouba, Fox, Lundkvist trip gives you 20 let’s points than a Trouba, Fox, ADA trio, but that difference is made up by giving up less goals and bolstering another part of the roster.

I say that because one of the fears with moving ADA is that we’d be losing a unique, individual offensive player. And we would. But the question is can we build a better overall team with the return he’d bring back, the money we’d utilize differently, and the other RD we’d have coming in shortly?
 
With ADA I think it’s easy to get caught up in individual production. By that I mean that it’s easy to look at moving ADA in isolation and say we won’t replace that level of offense. The truth is that we likely wouldn’t — from a single player.

But in the event that ADA is traded, I don’t think the objective is to necessarily replace offensive production in fell swoop.

The idea would be that Fox gives you 80 percent of that production and superior all-around play, while Lundkvist gives you some production and you make yourself stronger in another area (let’s say center for example).

Maybe a Trouba, Fox, Lundkvist trip gives you 20 let’s points than a Trouba, Fox, ADA trio, but that difference is made up by giving up less goals and bolstering another part of the roster.

I say that because one of the fears with moving ADA is that we’d be losing a unique, individual offensive player. And we would. But the question is can we build a better overall team with the return he’d bring back, the money we’d utilize differently, and the other RD we’d have coming in shortly?


Any reason why we can't find out whether any of the four can play on the left side, where we currently have Lindgren and a whole bunch of question marks?
 
Any reason why we can't find out whether any of the four can play on the left side, where we currently have Lindgren and a whole bunch of question marks?

Thus far I’ve consistently heard the team doesn’t really have a desire to go that route - at least long term.

The short answer is that in a top league where a split second delay can be a difference maker in a game or a series, it just typically doesn’t work for defensemen.

And the feeling is also that with the type of defenseman ADA is, it would probably only serve to enhance the weaker part of the games and diminish the stronger parts.
 
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