The relevancy of a 3 game set, after a 4 month lay off in the middle of a pandemic while nursing an injury is non-existent.Aho sure thought so....
Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part V
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EdJovanovski
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Literally everything in your post is wrong, even in some ways that would actually benefit your argument for Fox being better lol. Where did you get your stats?
He was 3rd in 5v5 scoring, he was 4th in overall scoring.
He had 11 fewer points (in 2 more games). And if you're talking 5v5 points he had 5 fewer not 8.
Fox was 15th overall among dmen, not 23rd. And if you're talking 5v5 points he was tied for 9th.
Tony had 7 more primary points than him.
These differences that you are minimizing are quite substantial too. 7 primary points (for a defenseman!) is a huge gap. DeAngelo is one of the very best players in the league at transition offense, literally McDavid tier. Do you remember how anemic our PP was with Fox QB'ing it when DeAngelo was injured? Fox is not in the same stratosphere of offensive skill that DeAngelo is. I think people also forget Fox is 22 & DeAngelo is 24, it's not like Fox's rookie season was at 18/19 or something. At no point in their development has Fox shown the higher end offensive skill than DeAngelo, DeAngelo was the most productive CHL defenseman since Bobby Orr.
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Seems like a pretty good reason to keep both of them.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Just note that when the NHL stats page says "Even Strength Goals/Points" that includes 3v3/4v4/6v5 as well and is not just 5v5, @EdJovanovski. I'm assuming that's where you got your stats. Nothing @Mac n Gs said was wrong.
Since the NHL stats page doesn't look like it will do 5v5-only filtering, NaturalStatTrick lists the following for 5v5/All-Situations, as well as league ranking among D (edit: I just did the ranking for primary points, as NST didn't have an easily sortable column, but I just copied the CSV and did my own):
[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]DeAngelo[/TD][TD]5v5[/TD][TD]All-Sit[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Points[/TD][TD]30 (4th) [/TD][TD] 53 (4th)[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Primary Points[/TD][TD]19 (5th)[/TD][TD]33 (6th)[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Fox[/TD][TD]5v5[/TD][TD]All-Sit[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Points[/TD][TD]22 (23rd)[/TD][TD]42 (15th)[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Primary Points[/TD][TD]16 (T-10th)[/TD][TD]28 (T-12th)[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
Since the NHL stats page doesn't look like it will do 5v5-only filtering, NaturalStatTrick lists the following for 5v5/All-Situations, as well as league ranking among D (edit: I just did the ranking for primary points, as NST didn't have an easily sortable column, but I just copied the CSV and did my own):
[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]DeAngelo[/TD][TD]5v5[/TD][TD]All-Sit[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Points[/TD][TD]30 (4th) [/TD][TD] 53 (4th)[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Primary Points[/TD][TD]19 (5th)[/TD][TD]33 (6th)[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Fox[/TD][TD]5v5[/TD][TD]All-Sit[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Points[/TD][TD]22 (23rd)[/TD][TD]42 (15th)[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Primary Points[/TD][TD]16 (T-10th)[/TD][TD]28 (T-12th)[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
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Matchups and lines/pairings are way less constrictive than they used to be. As examples, Tampa ran 7 d-men through much of the playoffs, and Dallas throughout the year loaded up Klingberg and Heiskenen when they needed a goal or a push. Similarly, Quinn played DeAngelo and Fox together regularly, so I don't really see a problem with having TDA on your 'third pair.' Fox, Trouba, TDA make for a great (potentially championship-caliber) top 3 on defense. If you're worried about where Lundqist fits in, I say get him here first and if he can dominate the AHL like he has the SHL, then worry about moving Tony.
East Coast Bias
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Sorry bud. This is the only thing that matters to me
| DeAngelo | Podcasts | Podcast Ranking |
| Number | 1 | 1st ALL TIME |
| Fox | Podcasts | Podcast Ranking |
| Number | 0 | lol |
KirkAlbuquerque
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Mac n Gs
Drury plz
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It is, and it's exactly what Gorton should plan on doing moving forward.
Nothing about my post was a call to move DeAngelo.
EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
Well I'll be a monkeys uncle
He still wrong though and worded it poorly. Began a new sentence stating he only had 3 fewer primary points, didn't think he was still talking about 5v5 ones.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
DeAngelo was injured for like one game , a pp can be off for a night, I’m not putting much stock into it. I believe Fox can qb a pp just fine.
You think podcasts/60 is some kind of joke?
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I hear you,
Nothing in any of my posts is to downgrade Fox, mine are just more observational and subjective.
I think ADA does some stuff at a higher level than Fox, and I think Fox does some stuff at a higher level than ADA.
If that works behind/with Trouba (doing the things he does at a higher level than either of them), which seems to have at least worked last season, I think the Rangers should explore that further.
Cap space is going to end up tight, and if some prospect(s) comes up and shows he can do some of that stuff, that changes the equation, yet for now I would not really understand the Rangers taking an area of strength and making it weaker even if that has the possibility of making a weakness somewhere else stronger.
I guess I feel as if they'll have time to tweak all that stuff later on once they know more about the current NHL youth, and the prospects, as well as if those three on RD could be a long term thing. Maybe as soon as next off-season when they also happen to lose a lot of cap hits.
An 8 point difference is pretty big when you consider that Fox got more ice time and wasn't paired with the worst regular in the league most of the time.
Fox is the better overall player with out question, but in terms of offensive impact DeAngelo gets the nod there and its not that close.
Fox is the better overall player with out question, but in terms of offensive impact DeAngelo gets the nod there and its not that close.
Mandar
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Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Yeah, pretty tricky sometimes, especially weird b/c 6v5 situations where you pull your goalie count as even strength, which is wild to me. Technically, their description doesn't include 6v5, but if you look at the PxP sheet during/after a game, it'll show as even strength if a goal is scored.
It's "Lighten up", thank you very little. If you are going to quote scripture........
Mac n Gs
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Absolutely agreed, and that balance that they currently have is exactly why I want to keep it moving forward. They currently have the option to balance out how they can attack by pairing, and it definitely helps facilitate how they're one of the more higher-scoring teams in the league.
Plus, like you said, there's no immediate need to rush a decision on these guys. I think each of them are capable of carrying their own pairing, and I like the long-term pieces we have to potentially pair with each of these guys. IMO, it's a no-brainer to prioritize a longer-term deal for Tony over Strome.
Mhm, sure
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I disagree with the not close part. Foxxy gave dudes back door tap-ins so many times this year.
His rookie year already saw him score more points and PPG than Tonys next best year in the NHL.
EdJovanovski
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Shouldn’t that be expected? Tony last year was about the same age as a Fox this year lmao
People always talk as if Fox is an 18 year old rookie, the dude is 22
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Christ almighty, the contortions you'll go through to defend the [redacted] avatar on the Rangers.
Tony last year was NOT the same age as Adam this year. (And BTW, if we're going to pick first or last names, let's be consistent in our treatment, hmm?) ADA was born 10/24/95; Fox was born 2/17/98. That's almost a 2 1/2 year difference. Sure, Adam is 22, but Tony is a month shy of 25.
EdJovanovski
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I said ABOUT the same age
Idk Tony is a cool very New York name lmao, it seems he gets referred to as Tony a lot, I don't see people call Fox "Adam" very much.Tony was a 2014 pick, Adam was a 2016.
So Tony's last season was his D+4, Adam this season was D+3. When people compare their development they project Adam as if he's an 18 year old rookie, and Tony as if he's already peaked.
Inferno
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I think DeAngelo and fox play such different offensive games...fox is way more about misdirection and DeAngelo is way more about threading difficult passes...
Rempe73
RIP King of Pop
No I agree. I use hockey sense and intelligence interchangeably. Obviously I don’t care about their GPAs or their IQ test scores lol but yes DeAngelo is smart
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Inferno
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Hard to say...foxs shot kinda reminds me of shattys, low and accurate.
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