Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part IV

[Filthy Dangles]

Rangers should have made Danny Girardi a goalie

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Don't see DeAngelo getting a long term deal this summer. I would bet he gets a bridge in some form for decent money

I think it gives the team more flexibility to figure out what they have in their prospects, and DeAngelo an opportunity to make more money in a few years

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That is why if we have no room on the back end for him we keep him around and make him a 3rd/4th liner/xtra Dman when needed and PPQB . Has wheels and skill set...he could pull it off much better than Smith . Buff and Burns...not like it is unheard of . I see no reason to trade him until we have at least attempted it . He could make for a dandy Cman with his passing skills...and just how long would it take to be our best FO guy ? LOL....no answer needed on that one . As a shadow Center he would drive the other C CRAZY...he would be more hated than Lemieux. Also solves the extra grit needed up front .

No team in this league is so good that they don't have room for a 60 point defenseman.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Don't see DeAngelo getting a long term deal this summer. I would bet he gets a bridge in some form for decent money

I think it gives the team more flexibility to figure out what they have in their prospects, and DeAngelo an opportunity to make more money in a few years

Agreed. Barring massive roster turnover over the next 6 months, the current state of next year's cap almost requires it.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I’m honestly not at all against giving him 5 games on Zbad’s wing. Call up Keane for a cup of coffee to see what he’s got. ADA makes a lot of sense as a guy who could be a great top six wing and still QB the PP and play D when needed. That versatility couldn’t hurt and I don’t see any real downside to a limited time excitement to see what happens.

Nothing wrong with considering it, idk why people bitch when someone suggests getting creative/intuitive. Burns and Byfuglien were effective as forwards.

 

[offdacrossbar]

ADA

2 yr bridge deal at 5 mil per.

lundkvist is going to make that right side very crowded in 2 years.

 

[McRanger]

Why is his next contract going to be big? He is not UFA. He is RFA. And is for a few years. Gorton could very well take him to arbitration and lay out the comps.

Not sure that is what they will do, but that is a possibility.

Oh, and what is wrong with the Trouba contract?

If he scores 60 points his next contract is going to be big even if they go to arbitration.

 

[True Blue]

If he scores 60 points his next contract is going to be big even if they go to arbitration.

You really think that when presented market comps (other players that have done this, how much they are being paid, etc.) that it could go $7m?

 

[True Blue]

ADA

2 yr bridge deal at 5 mil per.

lundkvist is going to make that right side very crowded in 2 years.

Lundqvist may be an afterthought and trade bait if DeAngelo and Fox do what they are doing. Gun to head, he becomes trade bait and Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo & Lindgren are the ones that are here long term. I cannot see Lundqvist, Foz & DeAngelo all skating for the team.

 

[True Blue]

Agreed. Barring massive roster turnover over the next 6 months, the current state of next year's cap almost requires it.

Not sure that is accurate. If Kreider and Buchnevich are moved, they have the money to sign DeAngelo and Strome long term. Providing that is what they want to do.

 

[True Blue]

Nothing wrong with considering it, idk why people ***** when someone suggests getting creative/intuitive.

Teams do not convert 60 point young defensemen into forwards. That is not creative/intuitive. That borders incredulous and not for the right reasons.

BTW, intuitive means instinctive or knowing something to be true without conscious reasoning. How can turning DeAngelo into a forward fall into this category?

I am not sure regarding Burns, but he did not hit 60 points until his 10th full year in the league. I doubt he would have been converted int to a forward if he did it as early a DeAngelo. And Buff 's career started completely different and he still has not hit 60 points.

One of DeAngelo's warts is his defensive play, which we all want him to improve on. Why would we start to teach him a different position at this point?

Wait. Are we really discussing moving Tony DeAngelo to a forward as if he is Tomas Pock? Really? This sounds logical?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Teams do not convert 60 point young defensemen into forwards. That is not creative/intuitive. That borders incredulous and not for the right reasons.

BTW, intuitive means instinctive or knowing something to be true without conscious reasoning. How can turning DeAngelo into a forward fall into this category?

I am not sure regarding Burns, but he did not hit 60 points until his 10th full year in the league. I doubt he would have been converted int to a forward if he did it as early a DeAngelo. And Buff 's career started completely different and he still has not hit 60 points.

One of DeAngelo's warts is his defensive play, which we all want him to improve on. Why would we start to teach him a different position at this point?

Wait. Are we really discussing moving Tony DeAngelo to a forward as if he is Tomas Pock? Really? This sounds logical?

Is it too early to change K'andre Miller back?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Lundqvist may be an afterthought and trade bait if DeAngelo and Fox do what they are doing. Gun to head, he becomes trade bait and Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo & Lindgren are the ones that are here long term. I cannot see Lundqvist, Foz & DeAngelo all skating for the team.

If lundkvist is being used as bait it better be to bring in a pretty damn big fish.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Teams do not convert 60 point young defensemen into forwards. That is not creative/intuitive. That borders incredulous and not for the right reasons.

BTW, intuitive means instinctive or knowing something to be true without conscious reasoning. How can turning DeAngelo into a forward fall into this category?

I am not sure regarding Burns, but he did not hit 60 points until his 10th full year in the league. I doubt he would have been converted int to a forward if he did it as early a DeAngelo. And Buff 's career started completely different and he still has not hit 60 points.

One of DeAngelo's warts is his defensive play, which we all want him to improve on. Why would we start to teach him a different position at this point?

Wait. Are we really discussing moving Tony DeAngelo to a forward as if he is Tomas Pock? Really? This sounds logical?

You're making these points about some arbitrary 60 point mark when Tony hasn't reached that yet either. Theres already a surplus at RHD and you got Lundkvist and Keane in the pipeline. We're spit balling, we're not talking about a set in stone permanent move. A few games to see what it looks like. There's no risk... Like someone said the other day, old dudes yelling at clouds

 

[leetch99]

Nothing wrong with considering it, idk why people ***** when someone suggests getting creative/intuitive. Burns and Byfuglien were effective as forwards.

And Buff has Cup ring for doing so and Burns some gold medals....does not seem like it hurt them any . I don't see much downside to an experiment . Think he makes a better C than a winger though.

 

[LokiDog]

Teams do not convert 60 point young defensemen into forwards. That is not creative/intuitive. That borders incredulous and not for the right reasons.

BTW, intuitive means instinctive or knowing something to be true without conscious reasoning. How can turning DeAngelo into a forward fall into this category?

I am not sure regarding Burns, but he did not hit 60 points until his 10th full year in the league. I doubt he would have been converted int to a forward if he did it as early a DeAngelo. And Buff 's career started completely different and he still has not hit 60 points.

One of DeAngelo's warts is his defensive play, which we all want him to improve on. Why would we start to teach him a different position at this point?

Wait. Are we really discussing moving Tony DeAngelo to a forward as if he is Tomas Pock? Really? This sounds logical?

Phil Housley, Wendell Clark, Red Kelly, Matthieu Dandenault, Brent Burns and Dustin Byfuglien all did it. Most of them ended up playing D again as well, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with having a player who has the versatility to do both. Guys like Federov went from forward to D at time as well. It doesn’t have to be permanent, I just don’t think there’s harm in trying it for a handful of games. All it can do is create options or fail. If it fails he’s still a great Dman. If he flourishes he’s a great Dman who can also be used as a forward and vice versa.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Not sure that is accurate. If Kreider and Buchnevich are moved, they have the money to sign DeAngelo and Strome long term. Providing that is what they want to do.

Well, I'm not at all certain they move both Kreider and Buchnevich. But if they did, already right there, you're approaching fairly significant roster turnover. Add a few more significant pieces on the move and it becomes what I'd call "massive".

Furthermore, you're still looking at paying the two top-6 wingers who'll replace them, giving Fast a raise/paying his replacement, and signing an entire 4th line worth of players, in addition to the two moves you mention, both of which will be pricey if you go long-term. All for what will likely be somewhere around $18-19MM.

I can't see it.

 

[NYR Viper]

And Buff has Cup ring for doing so and Burns some gold medals....does not seem like it hurt them any . I don't see much downside to an experiment . Think he makes a better C than a winger though.

We often see players who struggle a bit to go from wing to center or the other way. Taking a defenseman and asking him to play forward, to me, is not a good route to take.

Also, a 60 point d-man is worth WAY more than a 60 point winger. Why move him?

 

[True Blue]

If lundkvist is being used as bait it better be to bring in a pretty damn big fish.

He is an unproven prospect who is not yet in NA. What do you think he is fetching?

 

[McRanger]

You really think that when presented market comps (other players that have done this, how much they are being paid, etc.) that it could go $7m?

No, but it would probably be in 5m+ range. The Rangers would likely have to offer upwards of 4m to not outright lose the arbitration.

And 5m-6m would make Deangelo one of the highest paid defensemen of his age group.

 

[True Blue]

You're making these points about some arbitrary 60 point mark when Tony hasn't reached that yet either. Theres already a surplus at RHD and you got Lundkvist and Keane in the pipeline.

Wait, let me get this straight. I am making arbitrary remarks about a player's projected point total who is actually here and you are making definitive statements about there being a glut at RHD....and using players how are either in Hartford or Sweden to accent your point? How is your point on more solid ground?

Have Keane or Lundqvist actually played in the NHL? Have they showed the same acumen as DeAngelo has at this level?

We're spit balling, we're not talking about a set in stone permanent move. A few games to see what it looks like. There's no risk... Like someone said the other day, old dudes yelling at clouds

Did you see that tape to tape pass that Shesterkin made last night? We should try him at wing for a few games. Just to see what it looks like. There's no risk...

 

[True Blue]

No, but it would probably be in 5m+ range. The Rangers would likely have to offer upwards of 4m to not outright lose the arbitration.

And 5m-6m would make Deangelo one of the highest paid defensemen of his age group.

Depending on how he ends the season, a deal worth $5m may be smart business.

 

[True Blue]

Well, I'm not at all certain they move both Kreider and Buchnevich. But if they did, already right there, you're approaching fairly significant roster turnover. Add a few more significant pieces on the move and it becomes what I'd call "massive".

I get it. But if they like Strome and want to resign DeAngelo long term, it may well be what has to be.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

It was incredibly stupid not to lock him up cheap this summer. This breakout type season was easily predictable.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

He is an unproven prospect who is not yet in NA. What do you think he is fetching?

Whether he is "unproven" or not is irrelevant. If that was the case then top prospects would be traded all the time. They aren't.

You'd probably have traded Shesterkin because he was an unproven prospect who was not in NA for 5 years though, right?