Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part IV

[Blue Blooded]

Interesting.

Thanks for the info

Here is a summarized overview of his point profile:

A slight overall tilt towards A2's due to last year. IIRC defencemen usually end up with 50/50 A1/A2 splits in large samples so his 19-20 ratio does not indicate an upcoming downward regression in and of itself.

If that's the case, then kudos, @Blue Blooded – your wit is so dry, it could soak up all the beer spilled in a bar fight.

And nothing in this exchange could ever be used to tweak me more than Quinn putting Staal and Lindgren out on the ice together with less than a minute to go protecting a one goal lead.

Haha, the tounge was in fact firmly placed into the cheek there.

 

[Harbour Dog]

yeah his next contract is gonna be big. We don’t exactly have the best track record signing defensemen to new contra(Girardi,Staal,Shatty,Smith,Skjei,Trouba) so even though Tony is having a great year I’m a little nervous

Same.

We should sign him, and I hope we do. But regardless of who the defenseman we sign long term is, the hairs on the back of my neck are going to stand up when it happens. At least for now, until I can shake the memories of this past decade of handling our d-corp.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

yeah his next contract is gonna be big. We don’t exactly have the best track record signing defensemen to new contra(Girardi,Staal,Shatty,Smith,Skjei,Trouba) so even though Tony is having a great year I’m a little nervous

The money and years required for him to sign a long term deal and lose 3 years of UFA would be absurd for us and a lot of other moves we need to make, so it's very likely management will consider it, and more than half our fans would want it right now

 

[Rempe73]

The money and years required for him to sign a long term deal and lose 3 years of UFA would be absurd for us and a lot of other moves we need to make, so it's very likely management will consider it, and more than half our fans would want it right now

That’s hilarious even though I kind of disagree

 

[Rongomania]

We're always going to be the team that gave him the proper environment. And he's close to his entire family. He knows he can be a core piece of this team,

5x5 and the chance to be huge here. Would love to see that.

 

[leetch99]

ill give Quinn this, hes figured out Tony with strome and bread in OT is the smart play.

offensively, Deangelo is another forward with his ability to handle the puck, skate and finish.

when used properly, Tony is money.

Quinn gets it.

That is why if we have no room on the back end for him we keep him around and make him a 3rd/4th liner/xtra Dman when needed and PPQB . Has wheels and skill set...he could pull it off much better than Smith . Buff and Burns...not like it is unheard of . I see no reason to trade him until we have at least attempted it . He could make for a dandy Cman with his passing skills...and just how long would it take to be our best FO guy ? LOL....no answer needed on that one . As a shadow Center he would drive the other C CRAZY...he would be more hated than Lemieux. Also solves the extra grit needed up front .

 

[The Crypto Guy]

We're always going to be the team that gave him the proper environment. And he's close to his entire family. He knows he can be a core piece of this team,

5x5 and the chance to be huge here. Would love to see that.

Haha, that chance to get him 5x5 left last summer. Gorton dropped the ball. Glad we got to keep Namestnikov for that extra 3 weeks though

We'll sign him for another 1 year deal this year in arbitration then will have to pay up big time after.

 

[JimmyG89]

He's being asked to drag Marc Staal around the ice this season.

Trouba gets Skjei who is competent, and Fox has gotten some Staal and recently Lindgren, who can hold his own.

Feel like if he has a legit partner, someone that is an NHL player, he'd be considered on our 2nd pairing.

His offense is a huge boost. We have not had this kind of production from someone of defense in forever. We can talk about where Fox and guys like Keane and Lundkvist can get to, but DeAngelo is young and performing in the NHL.

No slight to Fox, who is doing well in year 1, and could surpass DeAngelo in the years to come.

 

[Rempe73]

He's being asked to drag Marc Staal around the ice this season.

Trouba gets Skjei who is competent, and Fox has gotten some Staal and recently Lindgren, who can hold his own.

Feel like if he has a legit partner, someone that is an NHL player, he'd be considered on our 2nd pairing.

His offense is a huge boost. We have not had this kind of production from someone of defense in forever. We can talk about where Fox and guys like Keane and Lundkvist can get to, but DeAngelo is young and performing in the NHL.

No slight to Fox, who is doing well in year 1, and could surpass DeAngelo in the years to come.

It’s also kind of cool how we have 4 offensively capable d-men who create offense in different ways

DeAngelo - crisp passing, hands, and good offensive instincts like going to the slot
Fox - vision, poise, and extremely good IQ and offensive instincts (also has pretty good hands)
Trouba - shot
Skjei - skating

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It’s also kind of cool how we have 4 offensively capable d-men who create offense in different ways

DeAngelo - crisp passing, hands, and good offensive instincts like going to the slot
Fox - vision, poise, and extremely good IQ and offensive instincts (also has pretty good hands)
Trouba - shot
Skjei - skating
Staal- for the other team

fify

 

[Rempe73]

fify

Hahaha xD

 

[offdacrossbar]

couple poor passes last night. good on quinny though, even with the ef ups he still got 22:19

im sure tony wants the 5on3 one back big time. thats his job on the PP1- to control the top and he should have all the room and time to process things and pick you apart. but all the overpassing and moving around was just dumb. moving is good but when moving puts you out of position ? ends up with panarin on the wrong side. rather than always moving, its crisp passing and puck movement that gets defenders and goalies having to move. ive always said, over movement usually results in perimeter over passing. move the puck, get set and fire it.

i see they were looking to set up mika on a one timer but it appears to me they NEVER practice the 5on3 PP and just wing it. anyway you slice it, tony made a bad decision there.

with tony you have to take the good with some bad. he made a few other bonehead passes too but also played pretty well otherwise. when you are at the point and you make a mistake- as a defenseman, your errors end up in the net. its a tough position too play.

kids still having a year.

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[TBODY] [/TBODY]

lets also not forget, anyone who has to drag staals corpse around is going to suffer the consequences.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Here is a summarized overview of his point profile:
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A slight overall tilt towards A2's due to last year. IIRC defencemen usually end up with 50/50 A1/A2 splits in large samples so his 19-20 ratio does not indicate an upcoming downward regression in and of itself.



Haha, the tounge was in fact firmly placed into the cheek there.

Position	Goals	First A	Second A
Center	19,798	18,207	11,905
Defense	8,409	13,099	15,952
Left wing	14,520	11,169	7,380
Right wing	13,998	10,894	7,042
Multi	1,722	1,323	816
Total	58,447	54,692	43,095

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Position	Goals	First A	Second A	Total
Center	39.7%	36.5%	23.9%	100.0%
Defense	22.4%	35.0%	42.6%	100.0%
Left wing	43.9%	33.8%	22.3%	100.0%
Right wing	43.8%	34.1%	22.1%	100.0%
Multi	44.6%	34.3%	21.1%	100.0%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

At even strength, almost half of all defenseman's points come from 2nd assists.

 

[True Blue]

yeah his next contract is gonna be big. We don’t exactly have the best track record signing defensemen to new contra(Girardi,Staal,Shatty,Smith,Skjei,Trouba) so even though Tony is having a great year I’m a little nervous

Why is his next contract going to be big? He is not UFA. He is RFA. And is for a few years. Gorton could very well take him to arbitration and lay out the comps.

Not sure that is what they will do, but that is a possibility.

Oh, and what is wrong with the Trouba contract?

 

[Dijock94]

Why is his next contract going to be big? He is not UFA. He is RFA. And is for a few years. Gorton could very well take him to arbitration and lay out the comps.

Not sure that is what they will do, but that is a possibility.

Oh, and what is wrong with the Trouba contract?

Yea Staal and Girardis first extensions were good deals.

 

[brakeyawself]

My biggest takeaway from reading this thread is that the Rangers can’t be rid of Marc Staal soon enough.

Really though, once Hajek gets healthy, would we see him replace Staal? And then next year maybe Miller joins, Hajek, Lindgren, Trouba, ADA, Fox and Skjei ? Can be rid of Staal for good?

Anyway, they really need to lock ADA up for a few years. Fox looks great, but he’s still no ADA when it comes to offense. I’m starting to wonder if Skjei is our best defensive D lol.

 

[Blue Blooded]

My biggest takeaway from reading this thread is that the Rangers can’t be rid of Marc Staal soon enough.

Really though, once Hajek gets healthy, would we see him replace Staal? And then next year maybe Miller joins, Hajek, Lindgren, Trouba, ADA, Fox and Skjei ? Can be rid of Staal for good?

Anyway, they really need to lock ADA up for a few years. Fox looks great, but he’s still no ADA when it comes to offense. I’m starting to wonder if Skjei is our best defensive D lol.

While Fox gets the some of the easisest minutes (QoC-wise), he the most impressive defensively to me both in terms of results and visual impression.

 

[Raspewtin]

on pace for 60 points and has significantly reduced his red alarm errors while maintaining a strong expected goals share.

I don't really care about handedness, I don't see how you can't lock him up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

FoxDeangelo is a fire pairing

 

[offdacrossbar]

fox deangelo may be one of the most dynamic d pairs in the entire league next year. they will be an offensive matchup nightmare when on the ice together. the skating, the hands, the ability to control the play and create offense from the back end plus the intuitive smarts they both have. drool worthy.

play them 5v5 in offensive situations and on the PP1 and those 2 would do some crazy things playing off each other. dont care they are bothy rightys.

imagine a defensive pair that can drop a combined slash line like this 30/80/110

a long island and a new jersey kid together on broadway. you cant make that stuff up.

we are one legit defenseman - who can play defense, away from having a defense which would be the envy of the entire league.

dump the fossil lindy ruff and bring in a defensive mind who can teach these guys how to actually defend.

 

[NYR Viper]

on pace for 60 points and has significantly reduced his red alarm errors while maintaining a strong expected goals share.

I don't really care about handedness, I don't see how you can't lock him up.

LONG TERM please

 

[True Blue]

on pace for 60 points and has significantly reduced his red alarm errors while maintaining a strong expected goals share.

I don't really care about handedness, I don't see how you can't lock him up.

I agree. Sort of. I am with as far as the 60 points and wanting to lock him up. Let's face it, in the last 10 years, the names of defensemen that have reached that plateau can probably be counted on two hands. That he is doing it at such a young age is yet another feather in his cap. When you have a young, 60 point defenseman that shows that he can handle the bright lights of Broadway, you learn to live with the warts and all on defense and lock him up. Then look to get him a defensive minded partner.

I think that, sort of like Shesteyrkin forcing Gorton's hand, DeAngelo is doing the same. One cannot just live and hope that a Miller or Lundqvist can become such a player. DeAngelo is getting to be that player in front of our eyes. It may be that he and Fox write themselves in and some other prospects wind up being used to shore up other weaknesses.

Now as for resigning him, I think that Gorton is going to try to get this done long term. If that means looking at all of the pieces and then deciding who goes at the TDL (for example, Kreider AND Buch going while Strome and ADA are staying and get their extensions), that will happen. But I cannot see Gorton overpaying for him. DeAngelo is not getting a $7m contract. Gorton will offer him a long term fair deal, and either DeAgelo signs it or Gorton takes him to arbitration where market comps are presented. No one is going to give him an offer sheet of $7m per year.

In any case, I do not see how DeAngelo is not here for quite a few more years.

 

[LokiDog]

That is why if we have no room on the back end for him we keep him around and make him a 3rd/4th liner/xtra Dman when needed and PPQB . Has wheels and skill set...he could pull it off much better than Smith . Buff and Burns...not like it is unheard of . I see no reason to trade him until we have at least attempted it . He could make for a dandy Cman with his passing skills...and just how long would it take to be our best FO guy ? LOL....no answer needed on that one . As a shadow Center he would drive the other C CRAZY...he would be more hated than Lemieux. Also solves the extra grit needed up front .

I’m honestly not at all against giving him 5 games on Zbad’s wing. Call up Keane for a cup of coffee to see what he’s got. ADA makes a lot of sense as a guy who could be a great top six wing and still QB the PP and play D when needed. That versatility couldn’t hurt and I don’t see any real downside to a limited time excitement to see what happens.

 

[True Blue]

I’m honestly not at all against giving him 5 games on Zbad’s wing. Call up Keane for a cup of coffee to see what he’s got. ADA makes a lot of sense as a guy who could be a great top six wing and still QB the PP and play D when needed. That versatility couldn’t hurt and I don’t see any real downside to a limited time excitement to see what happens.

Come one, man. You cannot be serious. We have a young, budding 50-60 point defenseman and you want to turn him into a forward?

Do you know how many times this has been done in the NHL? If the answer is never, it probably means that your idea is not really out of the box thinking.

 

[ElLeetch]

I agree. Sort of. I am with as far as the 60 points and wanting to lock him up. Let's face it, in the last 10 years, the names of defensemen that have reached that plateau can probably be counted on two hands. That he is doing it at such a young age is yet another feather in his cap. When you have a young, 60 point defenseman that shows that he can handle the bright lights of Broadway, you learn to live with the warts and all on defense and lock him up. Then look to get him a defensive minded partner.

I think that, sort of like Shesteyrkin forcing Gorton's hand, DeAngelo is doing the same. One cannot just live and hope that a Miller or Lundqvist can become such a player. DeAngelo is getting to be that player in front of our eyes. It may be that he and Fox write themselves in and some other prospects wind up being used to shore up other weaknesses.

Now as for resigning him, I think that Gorton is going to try to get this done long term. If that means looking at all of the pieces and then deciding who goes at the TDL (for example, Kreider AND Buch going while Strome and ADA are staying and get their extensions), that will happen. But I cannot see Gorton overpaying for him. DeAngelo is not getting a $7m contract. Gorton will offer him a long term fair deal, and either DeAgelo signs it or Gorton takes him to arbitration where market comps are presented. No one is going to give him an offer sheet of $7m per year.

In any case, I do not see how DeAngelo is not here for quite a few more years.

Yep. ADA is the player you *hope* Miller and Lundqvist become. If you lock in ADA, and one or both of the other two also work out, whats the worst that can happen is, you then have to move one of the others for assets. Oh, boo hoo.