I doubt that, I imagine Tony is probably happy to finally have a steady role with a team. Counter point - the Rangers taking a hard line with him may have significantly lowered the AAV on his next contract.
Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III
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I doubt that, I imagine Tony is probably happy to finally have a steady role with a team. Counter point - the Rangers taking a hard line with him may have significantly lowered the AAV on his next contract.
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Because he's 23, has 'past criticisms' and never played a full season in the NHL.
It gives him security and shows the team commitment to him
TheTakedown
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You need to f***ing stop... You tell everyone they don't understand team building and that the team needs to be fixed, yet your solution is to run this team like f***ing Edmonton.
Your quality of posting has gone from 9/10 to 2/10 in the last 6 months and it's f***ing aggravating. Stop wishing this team be the next buffalo... Look how f***ing good that team is ---- 7 years of no playoffs and hardly a lock this year even with those "top talents from the top 3"....
Jesus christ
Def took a step forward this year imo. He still has an occasional lapse but immense growth defensively and a great pmd. Also brings an edge which is great. So much focus on Lias but tony the wildcard has quietly become a very valuable piece from the Stepan trade.
He also has 22 points compared to Derek’s 29, while playing TWENTY fewer games. Just sayin....
He also has 22 points compared to Derek’s 29, while playing TWENTY fewer games. Just sayin....
Chaels Arms
Formerly Lias Andersson
He has serious offensive talent. That is always valuable from a D man. I don't think he's ever going to be a great defender but that just means the Rangers need to find someone they can pair with him to mitigate that a little bit.
Jaromir Jagr
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I like that deal, but how many RFA/UFA years would it buy and what would happen when the four years are up? It could really put us in a bind if he continues to perform at this level, then after 4 years is a UFA that we have to pay handsomely.
Blue Blooded
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Four years buys zero UFA years IIRC, takes him right up to it. He has one non-arb year left, then three arb-years before UFA.
If we bridge him and he keeps this up over the next two seasons, we're looking at something likely higher than the Dumba contract at a minimum (5 years, $6M AAV, 7.55% of the cap) after that. With the cap going up to ~$90M (assuming a YOY increase of 4%), that would put a 7.55% contract at $6.8M.
5 years at $3.5M-$4M or 8 years at ~$5M would put us in a great position when we're trying to be competitive. If we gave him an 8-year contract where we paid him $2.5M for the non-arb year, $3.5M per arb year and $6M per UFA year the cap hit would still only be $4.625M. The 5-year deal with the same structure would result in a $3.8M cap hit.
Jaromir Jagr
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I think I'd take the 5 or 8 year deal, honestly. I know people will scream over-payment, but 4.625 is hardly a crippling contract. It's a pretty big gamble for both sides and I think one worth taking.
Shattenkirk is coming off the books or can be moved soon enough. Staal will finally be gone in 2021. Maybe we can move him next year. As will Smith. It won't hurt us next year because our cap situation is good. And long-term it could really play to our advantage.
I'm sure I'll be in the minority, but we've gambled on a lot of bridge deals and it never works out well for us. We always end up paying more earlier than we needed to.
I'm a fan of the kid, but he's definitely a bridge deal. You give long term deals to players who you know are known quantities, not players who show signs in 40 games.
ADA has played well in recent months, but there isn't a single kid I would extend at term for this team right now.
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If not long term,
If he does have 4 RFA years left, in my opinion the smart move is to a 2 year deal which leaves him with 2 more RFA years after it is over.
That goes for any bridge deal regardless of the player as having two RFA years left carries the most negotiating leverage for the team.
Player has to choose from there what to do knowing he is not likely going to be offered another 2 year bridge right to UFA.
Two 1 year deals are not likely to carry as much salary as a long term deal at that point, even by arbitration.
So usually the player end up selling off at least one UFA year, but often two or even three. (Kreider, Zbad, Skjei)
If the team plays it right they should be paying less for those remaining RFA years, which makes the total contract lesser, which makes the cap hit lesser. (did not happen with Skjei)
Contracts that include both RFA and UFA years should be cheaper compared to any only UFA years contract, and the player is likely signed through most of his prime. Plus there can not be any clauses in the RFA years within that contract.
If it were me, (and I'm not sure why the Rangers seem willing to bridge players right to UFA if they can help it, Vesey? or burn RFA years Lias/Chytil?), every entry level where it was possible, that did not end with a long term extension (Lias. Chytil?) would be a bridge to that player still having two RFA years left. (ADA?, Buch?, Pionk?)
If he does have 4 RFA years left, in my opinion the smart move is to a 2 year deal which leaves him with 2 more RFA years after it is over.
That goes for any bridge deal regardless of the player as having two RFA years left carries the most negotiating leverage for the team.
Player has to choose from there what to do knowing he is not likely going to be offered another 2 year bridge right to UFA.
Two 1 year deals are not likely to carry as much salary as a long term deal at that point, even by arbitration.
So usually the player end up selling off at least one UFA year, but often two or even three. (Kreider, Zbad, Skjei)
If the team plays it right they should be paying less for those remaining RFA years, which makes the total contract lesser, which makes the cap hit lesser. (did not happen with Skjei)
Contracts that include both RFA and UFA years should be cheaper compared to any only UFA years contract, and the player is likely signed through most of his prime. Plus there can not be any clauses in the RFA years within that contract.
If it were me, (and I'm not sure why the Rangers seem willing to bridge players right to UFA if they can help it, Vesey? or burn RFA years Lias/Chytil?), every entry level where it was possible, that did not end with a long term extension (Lias. Chytil?) would be a bridge to that player still having two RFA years left. (ADA?, Buch?, Pionk?)
Clearly. Of course I want to see him fail. Only natural that you would come to such a conclusion. However, I doubt that you can produce anything that would back up such an assnine assumption.
The Crypto Guy
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That is not an answer. Your statement can make anything appear possible. Judging my by posting history, I could also be Superman.
What I asked was if you can substantiate your statement. Responding with a blanket statement that does not shed any light, does not a solid rejoinder make.
The Crypto Guy
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Played nearly 27 minutes last night.
Glad Quinn knows a stud when he sees one.
Glad Quinn knows a stud when he sees one.
Glad that DeAngelo seems to have finally allowed reason between his ears.
Superb game last night. Even continued his point streak
leetch99
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Just love watching him in the O zone...he makes stuff happen . Been a few years since we had a guy like that . His defensive play will improve ...it has to improve if he keeps the puck in the O zone all the time he is out there .
offdacrossbar
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He’s a real talent and he’s doing it now in the nhl.
Guys like brannstrom and boqvist are in the same mold but they haven’t shown it in the nhl yet.
These guys will always need to work harder defensively due to size and strength issues. You take that and bake that into the cake and you still have offensive creators/puck possessors from the back end that have enormous value in today’s game.
ADA is an important part of this rebuild.
Guys like brannstrom and boqvist are in the same mold but they haven’t shown it in the nhl yet.
These guys will always need to work harder defensively due to size and strength issues. You take that and bake that into the cake and you still have offensive creators/puck possessors from the back end that have enormous value in today’s game.
ADA is an important part of this rebuild.
Rempe73
RIP King of Pop
The Rangers need to finally take a f***ing risk and sign this guy to a 7-8 year deal at 3.5-4 mil AAV. These are the types of players you take chances on. I like that they took a risk with Skjei, but we need more of that. If we do sign him to a contract like this (which I want done ASAP), we can finally get an absolute steal. On the other hand, it could all fall apart, but I’m more than comfortable taking this risk now than I was a few months ago. And we’re rebuilding, so cap space won’t be as important for the next 2-3 years.
Not to toot my own horn again, but I’ve been right about the Stepan trade, and I’ve defended him since that day nonstop, so maybe I’ll be right about this.
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Rempe73
RIP King of Pop
9 points in his last 8 games. 8 point scoring streak. Glad guy is getting rewarded. No doubt he scores 40 plus this season if he played every game this season. He's only played in what 44 games?!
That's why some degree of patience is required with this rebuild. So guys especially d men need a bit more time. We can't give up on guys like ADA, Hajek, Miller and even Skjei if they have a bad season or season and a half.
Rempe73
RIP King of Pop
I guess you’re right. Skjei is slowly turning it around, which is great. And I’m not big on Hajek, but he’s been called up, which hopefully means he’s been playing well. If he can become a 2nd pairing guy who’s a stud defensively (the offense wouldn’t matter that much), him and DeAngelo would make a great pairing.
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