Rumor: Tony DeAngelo being traded back to Carolina next month but he also could not be.

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Using a retention slot has plenty to do with Hayes

Oh ok. So when someone posts something about using a retention spot on TDA in the TDA thread I should not have responded to that but instead should have instead known that this was code for Hayes, or just ignored it and given my thoughts on Hayes (which I have previously and agree that a sixth for him was not enough). Sorry about that.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

The major problem with this logic is that in order to maximize retention spots, we need players that have contracts that need to be retained.

This is categorically incorrect. There just needs to be a player somewhere that requires retention and the team with the player can't do it themselves for many different reasons.

And this Rizzo guy is not an asset to lose sleep over possibly missing out on. Just sign him when Carolina inevitably doesn't themselves.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

That's pretty wild. You'd take longer retentions on guys with actual value who don't need to be retained on and have dead cap space than get an asset essentially for nothing (thus clogging up retention slots for years to come, many in some cases like Sanheim). And again...WE STILL HAVE A SPOT IF WE RETAIN ON TDA AND THAT SPOT BECOMES AVAILABLE AFTER THIS COMING SEASON. You want to be a hardline on using retention spots but you want to retain on an 8 year deal, 5 year deal, 3 year deal, 2 year deal, and 1 year deal on guys with positive value and reasonable contracts. THAT is bad asset management.

::sigh::

I tried my best.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Getting flashbacks to the old "does cap space matter" arguments in defense of Holmgren

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Getting flashbacks to the old "does cap space matter" arguments in defense of Holmgren

Remember those days when LTIR was how we lived and died?

Poor Mike Rathje...we just wanted him to disappear

 

[Beef Invictus]

Remember those days when LTIR was how we lived and died?

Poor Mike Rathje...we just wanted him to disappear

In the cap era every single thing matters. The Flyers will apparently never grasp that until everyone currently working for them is fired and replaced.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

This is categorically incorrect. There just needs to be a player somewhere that requires retention and the team with the player can't do it themselves for many different reasons.

And this Rizzo guy is not an asset to lose sleep over possibly missing out on. Just sign him when Carolina inevitably doesn't themselves.

It's not though. These hypothetical players are in that category. We don't have them right now and there is no guarantee there will be one, let alone two that we'll be able to acquire.

 

[Embiid]

Getting flashbacks to the old "does cap space matter" arguments in defense of Holmgren

Oh well, whadaya gonna do...and it is what is...as Homer used to say.

 

[FlyerNutter]

It's not though. These hypothetical players are in that category. We don't have them right now and there is no guarantee there will be one, let alone two that we'll be able to acquire.

A retention spot could be used on Konecny. That’s the first example.

One could use it on either Laughton or Hart to maximize value as well.

The Flyers are too dogshit stupid as a franchise to ever even consider this.

 

[GKJ]

People say we don’t have guys to retain on until we get to the trade deadline and nobody has cap space and guys are getting traded through extra teams because they can’t even take half the deal.

 

[BritainStix]

A retention spot could be used on Konecny. That’s the first example.

One could use it on either Laughton or Hart to maximize value as well.

The Flyers are too dogshit stupid as a franchise to ever even consider this.

You don't need to retain on any of the players you have listed.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You don't need to retain on any of the players you have listed.

You don't NEED to but you CAN.

 

[FlyerNutter]

You don't need to retain on any of the players you have listed.

Of course you dont, but a smart team would consider it to maximize asset value.

 

[kudymen]

One could think that retention increases value of the outcome as the quality of the player rises, but hey. You CAN have retention on shit ones because thats how rebuilds work.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Remember those days when LTIR was how we lived and died?

Poor Mike Rathje...we just wanted him to disappear

Rathje got a bad rap here. It sucks his back went out but he by far, got the best out of Joni while he was still healthy

 

[Deadpool8812]

A retention spot could be used on Konecny. That’s the first example.

One could use it on either Laughton or Hart to maximize value as well.

The Flyers are too dogshit stupid as a franchise to ever even consider this.

None of these players need retention. Their value is already maximized and you'll have multiple teams interested in them without having to retain on them

 

[deadhead]

If you have sufficient cap room, you can work around contracts.
Retention is primarily used for overpriced contracts, because it simplifies the dynamics of a trade.
For a player who is already a bargain (TK, Laughton), it's more common to take back a bad contract to sweeten the deal.

 

[GKJ]

 

[chadateit]

Rathje got a bad rap here. It sucks his back went out but he by far, got the best out of Joni while he was still healthy

Rathje was trash in San Jose from day one until the end. Nobody in San Jose was sorry to see him go. He was ok at making a first outlet pass, and lousy at everything else except for clutching and grabbing. One of my least favorite players of all time. I have lived in San Jose a long time, and saw way too much of him.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Would die of laughter if Carolina finds another option before July 9th.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Would die of laughter if Carolina finds another option before July 9th.

they prolly will.

 

[Magua]

 

[wankstifier]

Wonder if they've decided to trade Pesce, then

 

[Curufinwe]

 

[iceman42]

One more day then ... bye bye