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Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

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Jargon said:
I mean, maybe! Grier also just said what I said: Hertl asked for a trade earlier this year. So, yeah, I mean, you do what you can for a player like Tomas and frankly, his contract makes him hard to trade.

I f***ing hate Vegas, but they already won the Cup, so who cares. If this was the best deal available, I'm glad Grier took it. I hope that karma bites Vegas on the ass next year and they have a complete meltdown and we get a Top 10 pick. I doubt it, but I can hope.
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Agree, it needed to happen, especially if he wanted out. Worst timeline, cursed franchise, etc.etc., but the best we can hope for and some good building blocks for the future.
 
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Mrs Ski said:
This feels like a punch to the gut. The most popular player traded to the most hated team. He was the reason I hung on as a fan.



Soul crushing.
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This is why its hard to swallow. Some seem to only care about the team if and when they're winning (won't name names), but some of us also enjoy watching the players we've seen grow up in our system for a decade still play fun hockey regardless of results.
 
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fasterthanlight said:
Agree, it needed to happen, especially if he wanted out. Worst timeline, cursed franchise, etc.etc., but the best we can hope for and some good building blocks for the future.
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Plus, we can pray that Edstrom suddenly finds another gear and becomes a 2C, and we can have the Swedish meatball line: Eklund - Edstrom - Zetterlund.
 
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As hard as this trade was emotionally for a fan, I believe this will be a fresh start for the Sharks and the fans. The locker room is cleaned up, someone else has to take over. Someone young and even better.
The old regime, previous core didn't work out, we need to get our new young core going, and that core will take us to a place that we still don't know but it's even more exciting when you think about it. You guys are the best for supporting the San Jose Sharks and there will be new faces and new legendary moments to come.
 
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mogambomoroo said:
As hard as this trade was emotionally for a fan, I believe this will be a fresh start for the Sharks and the fans. The locker room is cleaned up, someone else has to take over. Someone young and even better.
The old regime, previous core didn't work out, we need to get our new young core going, and that core will take us to a place that we still don't know but it's even more exciting when you think about it. You guys are the best for supporting the San Jose Sharks and there will be new faces and new legendary moments to come.
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This is now Luke Kunin’s locker room.

“We must always have fun”- Kunin
 
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TheBeard said:
This is why its hard to swallow. Some seem to only care about the team if and when they're winning (won't name names), but some of us also enjoy watching the players we've seen grow up in our system for a decade still play fun hockey regardless of results.
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You know, I started watching the Sharks right when we got Thornton, so I got to sorta grow my fandom with that group and I fell in love with all of them. Pavs was the biggest blow for me, in particular.

But I do think right now is when we have to rip the band-aid off and bring in the new generation of Sharks. We've got a LOT of prospects who will be coming in almost at the same time that we can cheer for and watch grow up. God knows, I think the only reason I've watched games this year is to see Eklund, Zetterlund and Muhk, when he played.

Hertl wanted to compete for the Cup -- I wanted him to be a vet that helped shepherd the new kids along but he obviously did not want that. Maybe Old Man Couture can heal up and be that for them and be the first guy to lift the Cup when we finally win it in 5 years...
 
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Hodge said:
This guy from the main board thread gets it.

Speaking of, where do we think Edstrom ranks on our prospect rankings? I would have Smith, Musty and Mukhamadullin ahead of him but I could see an argument for 3rd or 4th.
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I think he squeezes in ahead of Bystedt. They're similar but I think Edstrom is a little more projectable.
 
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Jargon said:
You know, I started watching the Sharks right when we got Thornton, so I got to sorta grow my fandom with that group and I fell in love with all of them. Pavs was the biggest blow for me, in particular.

But I do think right now is when we have to rip the band-aid off and bring in the new generation of Sharks. We've got a LOT of prospects who will be coming in almost at the same time that we can cheer for and watch grow up. God knows, I think the only reason I've watched games this year is to see Eklund, Zetterlund and Muhk, when he played.

Hertl wanted to compete for the Cup -- I wanted him to be a vet that helped shepherd the new kids along but he obviously did not want that. Maybe Old Man Couture can heal up and be that for them and be the first guy to lift the Cup when we finally win it in 5 years...
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Again, if he asked for a trade then it is what it is, but the band-aid analogy? The team was already in last place and keeping him around wasn't going to change the team's future in either direction. It wasn't. His cap space in three years isn't going to mean anything unless the team has decided to just start throwing cash at free agents and signing them to their own massive deals, but none of that happens unless the kids start thriving. Next year the same opportunity to trade him probaby would have arisen. One less year on a deal, perhaps he's still playing at a high level. I don't see this as being the only time he would have had value. He's 30 years old - younger than Willam Karlsson and Jeff Skinner and Sean Couturier. He's the same age as Kucherov and Trouba and JT Miller and Schiefele. He's not 40. Giroux when he was traded (granted as a rental) he was 34 years old and still got back a better return. That means if Hertl remains healthy until 34 he'll have pretty decent trade value.

I think this was an unnecessarily rash decision built around panic and fear.
 
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The Nemesis said:
First all, f*** off with this multi-quoted "fans" thing to try and make it sound like others are less than you or your viewpoint. People are entitled to their opinion without having their fan cred adjudicated. It's one thing to question people who threaten quitting in a moment of over-dramatic histrionics but arguing that people not having a uniformly negative view on the trade is smarmy self-aggrandizing of the highest order and has no place here or anywhere. Don't be a dick.

second most people are not saying the deal is good in a vacuum but more that it is potentially the best the team could hope for given the situation. It's easy to pretend there was a better option when there's no way to ever be disproven because the scenario can never play out.
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All anyone has to do is look back at similar trades and compare the returns to see that Grier came nowhere close to gaining historical value back in return for Hertl, and this has become a trend with him.

Meier was a wash at best. Every other transaction involving Grier has been nothing short of a God damned embarrassment.
 
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Thinking about this some more, the Marleau to Carolina trade established the value of dead cap space as $6 million = 1st round pick.

Sharks are taking on about $8.3 million in dead cap space here which is "worth" about 1.4 1st round picks based on the Marleau trade. I think it's fair to say we got the equivalent of two 1sts in value. So the reason for attaching two 3rds is to make up that difference of 0.6 1st rounders.

I really think Hertl at 8.1Mx6 with no salary retained is a worthless asset, a pure salary dump.
 
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Again, if he asked for a trade then it is what it is, but the band-aid analogy? The team was already in last place and keeping him around wasn't going to change the team's future in either direction. It wasn't. His cap space in three years isn't going to mean anything unless the team has decided to just start throwing cash at free agents and signing them to their own massive deals, but none of that happens unless the kids start thriving. Next year the same opportunity to trade him probaby would have arisen. One less year on a deal, perhaps he's still playing at a high level. I don't see this as being the only time he would have had value. He's 30 years old - younger than Willam Karlsson and Jeff Skinner and Sean Couturier. He's the same age as Kucherov and Trouba and JT Miller and Schiefele. He's not 40. Giroux when he was traded (granted as a rental) he was 34 years old and still got back a better return. That means if Hertl remains healthy until 34 he'll have pretty decent trade value.

I think this was an unnecessarily rash decision built around panic and fear.
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do we keep forgetting that Hertl is 30 but a very old 30. He isnt someone who just turned 30 with no/minimal knee injuries.

He might not even be playing at 34 with his knees.
 
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KarlssonsGroin said:
do we keep forgetting that Hertl is 30 but a very old 30. He isnt someone who just turned 30 with no/minimal knee injuries.

He might not even be playing at 34 with his knees.
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Dude missed three games in the last two years. And guess what, if he's not playing at 34 then we didn't have to worry about his contract anyways so that aspect is moot.
 
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Hodge said:
Thinking about this some more, the Marleau to Carolina trade established the value of dead cap space as $6 million = 1st round pick.

Sharks are taking on about $8.3 million in dead cap space here which is "worth" about 1.4 1st round picks based on the Marleau trade. I think it's fair to say we got the equivalent of two 1sts in value. So the reason for attaching two 3rds is to make up that difference of 0.6 1st rounders.

I really think Hertl at 8.1Mx6 with no salary retained is a worthless asset, a pure salary dump.
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Try doing your home budget using 2016 prices and see where it gets you...
 
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Bizz said:
All anyone has to do is look back at similar trades and compare the returns to see that Grier came nowhere close to gaining historical value back in return for Hertl, and this has become a trend with him.

Meier was a wash at best. Every other transaction involving Grier has been nothing short of a God damned embarrassment.
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Grier has had one hand tied behind his back for all of these deals. Aging vets with long contracts, NTCs to everybody, salaries badly mismatched with performance. Even Meier had a $10m qualifying offer because of how his contract had been negotiated. Hertl is 30-year-old with major damage to both knees who wasn't a fast skater to begin with and just had another surgery. What's your "similar trade"?

This is a league that's gotten progressively younger and consequently put more value on draft picks and ELCs. Getting the draft return that Grier has for contracts that looked like they'd hobble this team for a long time is quite a bit better than "an embarrassment."
 
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LilLeeroy said:
Well ahead of Bystedt. Better production at every level, and a better tool kit despite being slightly shorter.
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I'm so confused by his projection, though. Bystedt is seen as a 3C, right? Isn't that what people see in Edstrom or is there a potential for more? Some of his scouting report kinda makes me think of Couture, especially young Couture, focused on defense, etc.
 
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