Value of: Tom Wilson

[YippieKaey]

I'd take a 2023 lottery draft pick + young prospect for Wilson. Not much point in resigning him given the upcoming suckage for the Caps.

Yes... because that's the only year the Caps ever did either. The Caps had the best goalscorer in NHL history and have 1 appearance past the 2nd round to show for it in almost 20 seasons. At least the Leafs still have their future to play out. We already know what the Caps did in the Ovi era and things don't exactly look that great in the future.

The Leafs have done both, hence the cups. And no, you can't ignore the history which eventually led to the creation of the hockey team you cheer for. You don't have your team without those games being played out so save it.

Umm. Is a Leafs fan really complaining about lack of playoff success for the Caps? It's a very similar situation for the Leafs, except you guys haven't won a cup since before the Caps were even a team.

 

[StephenPeat]

Wilson + Orlov

for

Marner + Robertson

Just a fun NHL 23 trade. I don’t think the Leafs should be trading Marner at all.

This is not wise. Remove Orlov and Wilson from the Capitals roster and add Mitch Marner at over $10M and this somehow makes the team better Now OR in the future? No, this is extremely poorly thought out.

The positional need of the team alone dictates that this suggestion is otherworldly stupid. The last thing the Capitals need today is a Complimentary Winger. Trade two things they desperately need (physical Forwards and Competent DMen) for a superfluous Winger? No, this will not be a thing.

 

[StephenPeat]

Yes... because that's the only year the Caps ever did either. The Caps had the best goalscorer in NHL history and have 1 appearance past the 2nd round to show for it in almost 20 seasons. At least the Leafs still have their future to play out. We already know what the Caps did in the Ovi era and things don't exactly look that great in the future.

The Leafs have done both, hence the cups. And no, you can't ignore the history which eventually led to the creation of the hockey team you cheer for. You don't have your team without those games being played out so save it.

How many teams were in the League when the Leafs last won a Cup? Were we even recording history then (aside from Moses) or is it actually just a myth somebody heard somewhere?

I'd take a 2023 lottery draft pick + young prospect for Wilson. Not much point in resigning him given the upcoming suckage for the Caps.

Sure, you might. The Capitals will not.

The suckage you portend is not assured. Keeping players like Wilson gives us someone to watch while the team is rebuilt. I think he stays as long as he wants and I can’t imagine a scenario where the Caps are better for trading him.

 

[YippieKaey]

How many teams were in the League when the Leafs last won a Cup? Were we even recording history then (aside from Moses) or is it actually just a myth somebody heard somewhere?


Sure, you might. The Capitals will not.

The suckage you portend is not assured. Keeping players like Wilson gives us someone to watch while the team is rebuilt. I think he stays as long as he wants and I can’t imagine a scenario where the Caps are better for trading him.

First off, it pretty much is unless they act quickly like this season at the latest. The team needs draft picks and prospects.

Secondly, sure, that's true. But i would imagine having Ovi chase 895 would be entertainment enough. And i'd also argue that keeping Kuzy around is good for that purpose.

This is not wise. Remove Orlov and Wilson from the Capitals roster and add Mitch Marner at over $10M and this somehow makes the team better Now OR in the future? No, this is extremely poorly thought out.

The positional need of the team alone dictates that this suggestion is otherworldly stupid. The last thing the Capitals need today is a Complimentary Winger. Trade two things they desperately need (physical Forwards and Competent DMen) for a superfluous Winger? No, this will not be a thing.

Marner is 25 and a 90+ point player. Nick Robertson is 21 and a pretty decent prospect.

Wilson is great but not more than a 50-60 point guy even though he adds other stuff. He's also 28. Orlov is fantastic but 31.

This is the type of trade they could make to try and delay the "portended suckage". But obviously the Leafs would never do this.

 

[brokenwolf88]

I would trade a first and any prospect not Knies.

 

[StephenPeat]

I would trade a first and any prospect not Knies.

A Late-1st and “not Knies” holds no interest to the Capitals. This should go without saying.

Wilson is not an UFA, this offer is terrible. Every single team in the League would offer better.

 

[brokenwolf88]

A Late-1st and “not Knies” holds no interest to the Capitals. This should go without saying.

Wilson is not an UFA, this offer is terrible. Every single team in the League would offer better.

Leafs have other prospects. You guys need defencemen dont you? Leafs have defence prospects to offer. More than one.

 

[StephenPeat]

Leafs have other prospects. You guys need defencemen dont you? Leafs have defence prospects to offer. More than one.

You don’t have Defense prospects good enough to make this enticing. The idea that Toronto will somehow magically come up with the capital to trade for Wilson from thin aire needs to die. Let’s just say that without a single Blue Chip asset Wilson is unavailable.

 

[HTFN]

Leafs have other prospects. You guys need defencemen dont you? Leafs have defence prospects to offer. More than one.

what?

seriously where are you getting that?

 

[um]

This is not wise. Remove Orlov and Wilson from the Capitals roster and add Mitch Marner at over $10M and this somehow makes the team better Now OR in the future? No, this is extremely poorly thought out.

The positional need of the team alone dictates that this suggestion is otherworldly stupid. The last thing the Capitals need today is a Complimentary Winger. Trade two things they desperately need (physical Forwards and Competent DMen) for a superfluous Winger? No, this will not be a thing.

lol. It’s wild how little you know about the Caps, or Marner, probably both.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Toronto's not a potential landing spot for Wilson, they don't have the non-core assets for that kind of trade.

A team on the cusp with assets seems much more likely. NJ, Buffalo, something like that.

 

[im gangster]

Lots

 

[StephenPeat]

Toronto's not a potential landing spot for Wilson, they don't have the non-core assets for that kind of trade.

A team on the cusp with assets seems much more likely. NJ, Buffalo, something like that.

So the Capitals then are to trade Tom Wilson for a non-core asset? I don’t think I see such a trade.

What asset from those teams (NJ or BUF) do you propose the Capitals consign themselves to wasting the rest of Ovechkin’s productive years for?

I can certainly see what’s in this for NJ and BUF but WSH? I don’t see it.

 

[StephenPeat]

lol. It’s wild how little you know about the Caps, or Marner, probably both.

Yeah take away the Caps de facto 1/2 DMan and a Top 6 Winger and replace them with one guy who makes nearly as much as both and a prayer. You’re right, I’m the one that doesn’t know the Caps or Marner.

I get it, some people are obsessed with soft floaters who fold in crunch time. I’d rather the Capitals try to win. Marner is the furthest thing from the identity the Capitals have successfully built since the turn of the century and I, for one, do not long for a return to the days we tried to out-skill everyone. It got us nowhere.

 

[im gangster]

Only reason to have him is to ensure he doesn't injure/cheap shot your own players in the playoffs. He's basically an NHL nuke.

he is also a very good hockey player without even throwing a hit

 

[JKG33]

If the Caps actually offered Wilson for Marner (they wouldnt), the Leafs would be incredibly stupid to turn it down. Marner can have as many 90 point seasons as he wants, it means diddly when he continues to play and act like a bitch.

Wilson wins you cups and has literally caused entire franchises to meltdown. When the going gets tough he's one of the first guys out there in the whole league that you want. Marner is one of the last

 

[MAB1]

Is he getting better? He doesnt look great this year.

Marner in year 7: 23 points in 20 games, 1.15 ppg.
Ovi in year 7: 65 points in 78 games, 0.83 ppg

Caps fans have bad memories of franchise wingers not playing great in year 7.

[MOD]

 

[SensFan4lyfe]

Tom Wilson is not worth Marner and a 1st

If the caps wanted Marner a legit 100 pt player

Youd be the ones offering Tom Wilson + a 1st

Hes a thirty year old winger and yeah thats great hes a special player

but he is not worth Marner and a 1st would never happen

 

[jrs]

He married a Winnipeg girl and jets need RW

 

[Devil Dancer]

So the Capitals then are to trade Tom Wilson for a non-core asset? I don’t think I see such a trade.

What asset from those teams (NJ or BUF) do you propose the Capitals consign themselves to wasting the rest of Ovechkin’s productive years for?

I can certainly see what’s in this for NJ and BUF but WSH? I don’t see it.

My post was more about the Leafs not having the right assets than anything else, but I'd consider moving Wilson if I was GMBM. He would bring back a huge return, and this iteration of the Caps is done as a competitive team anyway.

The Devils and Sabres have some highly regarded prospects that could be good starting pieces for a trade. Nemec, for example, who just went to NJ at 2 overall.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

This has practically nothing to do with nationality but do keep up the faux outrage, it only makes you look pathetic. Toronto is not Canada and indeed plenty of Canadians enjoy the Leafs failures like the rest of us the world over.

We will stick to hockey, Thanks. You can stick to crying and your imaginary victimization complex.

Nothing imagined at all, just read your response.

 

[Superlative Soup]

Marner in year 7: 23 points in 20 games, 1.15 ppg.
Ovi in year 7: 65 points in 78 games, 0.83 ppg

Caps fans have bad memories of franchise wingers not playing great in year 7.

[MOD]

Now do goals vs secondary assists and hits.

 

[um]

Yeah take away the Caps de facto 1/2 DMan and a Top 6 Winger and replace them with one guy who makes nearly as much as both and a prayer. You’re right, I’m the one that doesn’t know the Caps or Marner.

I get it, some people are obsessed with soft floaters who fold in crunch time. I’d rather the Capitals try to win. Marner is the furthest thing from the identity the Capitals have successfully built since the turn of the century and I, for one, do not long for a return to the days we tried to out-skill everyone. It got us nowhere.

who was our leading scorer when we won the cup?

 

[StephenPeat]

who was our leading scorer when we won the cup?

Kuznetsov. Did he also play defense? Physically punish, well literally anyone?

Adding Marner and Subtracting Orlov AND Wilson removes a tremendously significant quota of the Capitals current physicality.

If you want to win the Regular Season, sure trade for Marner (you’ll still likely lose the Regular Season because star players will have even less space on the ice and the team will have been effectively neutered).

If you want to win in the POs I can’t think of a more backward move than what your suggesting.

 

[StephenPeat]

Tom Wilson is not worth Marner and a 1st

If the caps wanted Marner a legit 100 pt player

Youd be the ones offering Tom Wilson + a 1st

Hes a thirty year old winger and yeah thats great hes a special player

but he is not worth Marner and a 1st would never happen

Another fan of a team that hasn’t won shit ever. You’re opinion will be noted as such.