Value of: Tom Wilson

[Kuz]

Curious, what is oshie doing to piss you guys off lately?

Mostly small injuries all the time. Playing okey when he is available.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Well if your willing to offer some genuine assets instead of the usual crap of Kerfoot, Engvall with some B prospects you might have a shot at him.

Tom Wilson isn't Josh Anderson, the assets for him would have to be extremely high end.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

indeed they could really use that player


Wash would never get what wash paid for Mantha.
better keep him.

We don't care about value at this point. He's one of the laziest players I've ever seen play for the Caps.

We'll keep Wilson.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

Curious, what is oshie doing to piss you guys off lately?

The majority of us Caps fans love Oshie. I don't know of anyone who regularly posts that dislikes Oshie. Now if we're talking injuries, yes we're disappointed, however that goes beyond Oshie.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Isn't he getting long in the tooth, in a bad way?

Seems to have lost a step and that usually spells a downward trend in the heavier and more physical players. Not saying he couldn't contribute in a season or 2 in a diminished role - but his value just a couple seasons ago would have been ace.

Huh? Last year was his best statistical and all around season. He’s turning 29 this year.

Not that it matters, because he is one of the very few players on this Caps team that I would not want to see traded under any circumstance.

 

[wgknestrick]

Wilson is a unicorn. If for some reason he became available, every team would be lining up and the price would be huge.

The concern would be that with his style of play, his body will potentially start to break down as he approaches his 30's. High risk but super high reward too.

Only reason to have him is to ensure he doesn't injure/cheap shot your own players in the playoffs. He's basically an NHL nuke.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I'm hoping Toronto or New Jersey grabs him if he hits the market.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Curious, what is oshie doing to piss you guys off lately?

He’s just always hurt. Played in 53 games two seasons ago, 44 games last year, he’s on IR and has only played in nine this year. He’s played over 70 games once since 2016. He’s a heart and soul guy but he’s not the biggest and he pays a price for the way he plays which is why we love him, but at the same time we need him to be healthy and playing.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Only reason to have him is to ensure he doesn't injure/cheap shot your own players in the playoffs. He's basically an NHL nuke.

Yeah, you’re right. Nobody would want a power forward who is way too fast for his size, can score 20+ goals, play on your top forward line and top PP and PK units, and generally impact the game every time he’s on the ice. Seems reasonable.

 

[GRob83]

I could be wrong but I don’t see anything the Leafs would have to offer that would excite Washington unless they wanted to get crazy and trade Wilson+ for Marner.

If Wilson were traded for Marner, I would want a conditional 1st added from Toronto if they win a playoff round. Marner brings more offensively but Wilson is the more complete player. For all of the crap Ovechkin received for getting knocked out in Round 2, the Leafs haven't won a playoff series during his entire career.

There are only 5 active players who were in the league the last time Toronto won a series. Patrice Bergeron, Eric Staal, Brent Burns, Craig Anderson and Marc-Andre Fleury. That's IT.

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

Curious, what is oshie doing to piss you guys off lately?

Have you ever been really excited to watch a movie and someone spoils it before you can watch. That is what it feels like having TJ Oshie on your team. Everyone gets excited and he skates around like a princess, until someone hurts him and tells him "you are not even a real princess".

Saint Louis off loaded him because he became an injury liability and the pattern has only continued with the Capitals.

Oshie;s big problem is he does not look both ways before he crosses the street, so he spends more time watching hockey than playing. Kind of makes his amazing contract look not so good when you weigh it against how often he is injured. .

 

[Habs Halifax]

Tom Wilson isn't Josh Anderson, the assets for him would have to be extremely high end.

Tom Wilson on the Habs and in Anderson's spot would be similar output but because he played with the Caps strong top 6, he looks better. So in terms of that, I do agree with you but I wonder what other teams think?

Wilson is not E kane and he's not Kreider either. Most will say he's better than Anderson but I wonder how Wilson looks if you placed him on a 3rd line with less talented players?

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Wilson were traded for Marner, I would want a conditional 1st added from Toronto if they win a playoff round. Marner brings more offensively but Wilson is the more complete player. For all of the crap Ovechkin received for getting knocked out in Round 2, the Leafs haven't won a playoff series during his entire career.

There are only 5 active players who were in the league the last time Toronto won a series. Patrice Bergeron, Eric Staal, Brent Burns, Craig Anderson and Marc-Andre Fleury. That's IT.

Marner can't win without pieces like Wilson in the mix (playoffs) but Wilson is not going to move the Leafs needle if it takes Marner to get him.

I like both players but for completely different reasons. Marner + 1st for Wilson is laughable. I'm with the Leafs on this one.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

If Wilson were traded for Marner, I would want a conditional 1st

This has gotta be the most delusional thing I've read on this forum, and I've read most of George Leafer's takes.

 

[Habs Halifax]

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This has gotta be the most delusional thing I've read on this forum, and I've read most of George Leafer's takes.

Yeah and some fan bases have the nerve to say Habs and Leafs overvalue their assets. In truth, every fan base has the ignorant ones. Lack of knowledge but acting like an authority

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Yeah and some fan bases have the nerve to say Habs and Leafs overvalue their assets. In truth, every fan base has the ignorant ones. Lack of knowledge but acting like an authority

I'm sure we do, all fans are bias, but asking for a 100pt 25 year old under control AND a 1st round pick for Tom Wilson is insanity.

Wilson definitely has some good value, he will return a haul, but he's not get a franchise player. It's especially weird coming from a Caps fan. Success doesn't always come as soon as you want it to. I don't give a shit about winning 1 round tbh, I want a deep run full of legendary moments.

 

[Random schmoe]

For what it's worth, the poster who suggested Marner and a conditional first for Wilson is not one who frequents the Caps board.

Their opinion is probably not representative of the average Caps fan.

Unlike many Caps fans, I'd be open to moving Wilson because I think his perceived value around the league is higher than what he actually contributes, and dealing him could return the assets that helps them stay competitive in the East for another 5 years.

 

[GRob83]

Marner can't win without pieces like Wilson in the mix (playoffs) but Wilson is not going to move the Leafs needle if it takes Marner to get him.

I like both players but for completely different reasons. Marner + 1st for Wilson is laughable. I'm with the Leafs on this one.

You must have missed the part about the Leafs winning a playoff round which the hockey Gods have already decided won't happen. Wilson isn't getting traded unless it's a huge overpay. Marner + a 1st is a huge overpay so that's just an example of how ridiculous the offer would have to be to move Wilson.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

You must have missed the part about the Leafs winning a playoff round which the hockey Gods have already decided won't happen. Wilson isn't getting traded unless it's a huge overpay. Marner + a 1st is a huge overpay so that's just an example of how ridiculous the offer would have to be to move Wilson.

I really don't think smart hockey executives would agree with this take but hey, to each his own. Wilson is in his late 20's now, one more year of control after this one, and Washington might decide to retool. Few players would get a better haul to start that process than Wilson, and I'm not sure he really moves the needle enough to justify holding on and signing long term.

Washington's had some injuries this year though and we will see if they are actually out of it come TDL. I am not sold on that.

 

[StephenPeat]

Wilson+McMichael for Dumba+Greenway+Rossi+Addison

Man I just remembered Minnesota sucks.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

What about something around Debrincat? I'm not sure how it would work, but I could see a way that it's worthwhile for each side.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

if I had any pull in the caps organization, besides Ovi, Wilson would be the only untouchable.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

The piece of this return that is reliable is not valuable enough. The piece that might someday be valuable enough is nowhere near reliable enough. Time is not doing Byfield any favors.

This is not intriguing for the Capitals at all.


Overall solid take.


This. Also I wouldn’t be adding much to Wilson in this circumstance.

I wouldn't even consider Wilson straight up for Marner. And thats not homerism

Wilson is the epitome of a game changer. He is momentum. And at a professional level, the ability to mentally change the state of the game in your favor, besides generational talent, should be most coveted.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Wilson isn’t going to be made available.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I wouldn't even consider Wilson straight up for Marner. And thats not homerism

Wilson is the epitome of a game changer. He is momentum. And at a professional level, the ability to mentally change the state of the game in your favor, besides generational talent, should be most coveted.

Why does a non-playoff team care about changing the mentality of games? The most meaningful thing he'll do for you this year is maybe read out the name of your first round pick unless there's another Erat available somewhere.