Prospect Info: Tom Willander: 11th Overall 2023 Draft (Rogle BK J20) - Part 02

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Hutson could be a star

doesnt change the fact that he defends like shit currently and gets caught up ice a ton.
 
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How so? Looks like he's an abysmal defensive player with an electric skating and puckhandling package at the NCAA level. What makes you think he can clean that up so easy because he makes a lot of mistakes that at 5'9 and 160lbs isn't gonna buy him much leeway in the NHL unlike a guy like Hughes who was as cerebral and mistake free as they come in the NCAA and still had hurdles to overcome.

hughes was way worse defensively at michigan than hutson is now. hutson is okay defensively when he isn't playing rover. he'll transition fine to the nhl
 

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When Willander does stuff like this, it still just conjures up memories of Dan Boyle for me. It's kind of a lolzy play overall, where i'm not really sure what most of the people on the ice are even doing. But the way he just effortlessly changes gears and picks through the neutral zone so easily, reminds me of that sort of skillset.

I'm curious to see how that side of his game develops next year, if having Hutson gone, allows him to start to explore that element more consistently. Right now, it's just flashes...but the ability is there. If the confidence to jump on those sort of opportunities more regularly starts to fill in...we're going to get a lot more than just a "steady Top-4 RHD".

But even just getting a steady, 5v5 stud RHD who breaks up plays and moves the puck, with elite skating, would be a huge win.

Tom Willander has made Team Sweden (Lekkerimaki and D-Petey were locks)

It's gonna be so cool having some prospects to actually watch this year. Feels like it's been an eternity since we had a lot to actually look forward to at the tournament.

Virtanen who caught the ire of everyone because he never seemed to fit on any particular line? Juolevi the year after the big performance that boosted his draft stock, in the year that Finland completely fell off the map disastrously? lol.

BU never played BC yet which was a joke of a schedule
They could have marketed the sh/t out of that rivalry, and the schedule makers just mailed it in.

That freshman line for the USA at BC is absolutely flying right now (Perrault, Smith, Leonard))

Willander has talked about facing them in the NCAA
He'll be facing them at the WJC before he gets them in the NCAA

Idk if it's a "joke" of a schedule thing, so much as...probably trying to make the Pot of Beans Tournament more meaningful.

But that US team is certainly going to have an interesting leg up, with having a top line like that who play together all the time. It's free and easy chemistry, like they usually have as a huge advantage at the U18s.


Some initial tracking data from Laasi Alanen covering Willander's season so far:


I would take this with a massive grain of salt since his transition and defensive play has been far better than his offensive play in my viewings. That said, the shots vs shot-assists numbers make sense and I think also explain his defensive stats. He has done a lot of deferring to his team-mates thus far, which applies not only to his offensive mentality (pass instead of shoot), but also to in zone defense and transition. His strongest suit is off-puck rush defense, which involves tying up his man, and allowing his partner to make the strip or retrieval. When he has played with Hutson he has also naturally deferred much of zone exit/entries to him, passing within rather than across zones. It would be interesting to see his entries against stats, which are not shown, since that is what he is best at.

Here is Hutson's card for context:


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I simply refuse to take seriously, any analysis or metric which includes something as dumbfoundingly ridiculous as, "Successful Dekes/60" as a component.

lmao. What on earth. Just incurable "statbrain". :laugh:
 

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Hughes was missing his 1st line center in his sophmore season and was instructed to push the pace and was still better defensively than Hutson is now

Also in D+2 Hughes was an NHL all-star and 5th in scoring amongst defense.
 
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How did this devolve to a discussion about Hutson? Who cares we already have pretty much the absolute best case "small offensive defenseman" scenario in history unfolding in Quinn Hughes.

Classic Crudulous thinking the grass is always greener elsewhere and running down the Canucks players and prospects.
 
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no truscott isn't a sure thing. i really like him and think he's the canucks second best prospect after willander but he could just as easily turn out to be a guy who is just too average to succeed

hutson is going to be a star

Absolutely nuts you think he’s better than EP 80
 
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hughes was way worse defensively at michigan than hutson is now. hutson is okay defensively when he isn't playing rover. he'll transition fine to the nhl
Let me guess… You’re a Habs fan correct? It’s funny how you can tell it’s a fan of the team who’s Prospect they are defending.
 
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Those sorts of graphs are a plague on the sport right now.
Agreed. Analytics or the most part are a tool that’s mostly noise in hockey. Even in baseball they are beat to death.

How did this devolve to a discussion about Hutson? Who cares we already have pretty much the absolute best case "small offensive defenseman" scenario in history unfolding in Quinn Hughes.

Classic Crudulous thinking the grass is always greener elsewhere and running down the Canucks players and prospects.
Does he have a post that’s positive at all about the hometown team?
 

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Those sorts of graphs are a plague on the sport right now.
Been saying this for years.

Agreed. Analytics or the most part are a tool that’s mostly noise in hockey. Even in baseball they are beat to death.


Does he have a post that’s positive at all about the hometown team?
He said he watched a ton of Detroit games and that Myers was a comparison for Hronek. time has shown that take to be...erroneous.
 

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How the hell does it make sense for Hutson's overall to be 99, while sporting a defensive rating of 45? Not sure what's going on with those numbers. And to be rated better defensively than Willander? Eye test tells me Willander smothers opponents, while Hutson is practically allergic to physical board battles.
It seems like everyone has their own metrics and methods these days. It's hard to care about any of them anymore. Watching the game is enough for me, outside of checking some of the more basic advanced stats out of curiosity from time to time.
 
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Pretty hard to ignore the progression and ability to handle higher levels of competition.

Plus minus is not the be all end all but Willanders last 26 games at U18s BU and now the U20s his stat line is an incredible +27............(26-7-11-18 +27 )

While you expect a player taken at his position to be a dominant U18 player it's a big step to NCAA and U20 Worlds as a 18yr old and he's handling it very well.
 

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Pretty hard to ignore the progression and ability to handle higher levels of competition.

Plus minus is not the be all end all but Willanders last 26 games at U18s BU and now the U20s his stat line is an incredible +27............(26-7-11-18 +27 )

While you expect a player taken at his position to be a dominant U18 player it's a big step to NCAA and U20 Worlds as a 18yr old and he's handling it very well.

He just doesn't make positional mistakes and skates so exceptionally well, amazing gap control.

The odd loose pass here and there and his offensive game/puck skills aren't fully formed but he's as positionally sound as any player this age you'll ever see.
 

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He just doesn't make positional mistakes and skates so exceptionally well, amazing gap control.

The odd loose pass here and there and his offensive game/puck skills aren't fully formed but he's as positionally sound as any player this age you'll ever see.
Has some similarities to Tanev in his half of the rink IMO. Able to turn and wheel with ease, closes gaps as fast as anyone amongst his peers and is really good at tying up and even aggressively taking on players physically to close them out on the cycle. Just no room to do anything

Like you say he has some glitches/rawness in his assertiveness, puckhandling and passing but seeing some of the goals he's scored which are NHL level snipes makes me happy and excited that we drafted him.
 

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Has some similarities to Tanev in his half of the rink IMO. Able to turn and wheel with ease, closes gaps as fast as anyone amongst his peers and is really good at tying up and even aggressively taking on players physically to close them out on the cycle. Just no room to do anything

Like you say he has some glitches/rawness in his assertiveness, puckhandling and passing but seeing some of the goals he's scored which are NHL level snipes makes me happy and excited that we drafted him.

100%

He flashes some really exceptional skills but those aren't nearly as consistent as his defensive play/reads. Even if they never develop further than this, he's still going to play as a mobile top-4 D. If they do develop further, he's going to be an absolute stud.
 

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It's a tough audience on HF Boards for players in their draft-plus-one seasons. Last year Lekkerimaki went through a bout of mono, and a series of nagging injuries that basically derailed his season--and some posters were prepared to write him off.

Maybe it's a hangover from the Benning draft years, where guys seems to start sliding from the moment they were drafted.

But Lekkerimaki and Wilander will be just fine. They're currently honing their skills against players who are older, bigger and faster than anything they've experienced to date. And they're more than holding their own.

You can see the potential when they're playing against kids their own age. They're dominant players.
 
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If he develops I see him as a Jovo type skillset stylistically. He’s only been playing defence for 4 years and I think Jovo was 12 when he started. Next year I expect him to completely dominate this tournament along with ASP.

I’m excited to see how he plays during the big games coming up and hope he starts getting the top minutes on the team over EP 2.0
 

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If he develops I see him as a Jovo type skillset stylistically. He’s only been playing defence for 4 years and I think Jovo was 12 when he started. Next year I expect him to completely dominate this tournament along with ASP.

I’m excited to see how he plays during the big games coming up and hope he starts getting the top minutes on the team over EP 2.0
I suspect he is going to be close to getting a cup of coffee with VCR next year. If he shows well, he may not be available for Team Sweden next year. I am not sure Abby is a great idea for him though. Unless they get some toughness to protect our young swedes.

But between Willander EP2 Lekkerimaki and Pdoz, damn I actually think its realistic that all of these guy are on the roster in 25.
 
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If he develops I see him as a Jovo type skillset stylistically. He’s only been playing defence for 4 years and I think Jovo was 12 when he started. Next year I expect him to completely dominate this tournament along with ASP.

I’m excited to see how he plays during the big games coming up and hope he starts getting the top minutes on the team over EP 2.0

I dont see the Jovo comparison at all? Jovo was a high risk- high reward player who left a lot to be desired defensively.

Hamhuis is probably more accurate. Solid two way guy and a good skater that can play tough minutes against the oppositions top lines
 

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I dont see the Jovo comparison at all? Jovo was a high risk- high reward player who left a lot to be desired defensively.

Hamhuis is probably more accurate. Solid two way guy and a good skater that can play tough minutes against the oppositions top lines
Yeah same here.

As an aside, I think the only player who stylistically reminded me of Jovo was Bieksa.
 
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I suspect he is going to be close to getting a cup of coffee with VCR next year. If he shows well, he may not be available for Team Sweden next year. I am not sure Abby is a great idea for him though. Unless they get some toughness to protect our young swedes.

But between Willander EP2 Lekkerimaki and Pdoz, damn I actually think its realistic that all of these guy are on the roster in 25.
I don't expect him to leave BU after this season. Expect him to return to college next season and sign once his season is over. He can't play for Van unless he leaves school. Thus, no reason for him to miss next year's WJHC.
 
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I don't expect him to leave BU after this season. Expect him to return to college next season and sign once his season is over. He can't play for Van unless he leaves school. Thus, no reason for him to miss next year's WJHC.
I was thinking next sept he might come to camp, if he pays his own way. They would have a tough decision if he wanted to stay. he seems to be developing at a pace where he might be ready to be a 6 - 7th Dman, and if that is the case, he may decide to stay. I would say this is a tad on the unlikely side, but by no means out of the question.
 

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