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Beau Knows

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Has Toews done enough already to make the HHOF? If he hung up the skates tomorrow (let's say do to injury) would he make it?

He recorded his 500th point this season and has the following on his resume at only 26 years old:

2x Stanley Cup
2x Olympic Gold Medal
2x WJ Gold
1x WC Gold
1x WC Silver

556 games played
500 points
218 goals
282 assists
+291

94 playoff games
29 goals
52 assists
81 points
+10

1x Selke Trophy
1x Conn Smythe
Best forward - Olympics 2010

1x 2nd team all star
5th in goals 12-13

If not what does he need to do to secure his spot in the HHOF?
 
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He's likely going to make it in but you can't help but think if he'd even be in the discussion at this age if he wasn't on a dominant team post-lockout.
 
He's well on his way, but he needs to get the numbers up just by playing more years. Give him 7 more years with only 60 pts (conservative estimate) and he's at 920 points with those accomplishments and he's probably in. Realistically, I think Toews ends up with 1100 pts given average health. He's a reasonable bet to win another Selke, and Olypimic Gold and Cup are certainly possible as well. Not in now, but he's going to get there.
 
I look at someone like Forsberg who made it despite a shortened career as a comparable. He recorded over 350 more points than Toews and won a Hart trophy and Art Ross while also being a superior player with numerous team accomplishments of his own. He had 5 top 10 finishes in scoring to Toews' 0 while having amazing ppg rates in other years. In my mind if you took 350 points off of Forsberg's career, he doesn't make it. And I don't think Toews compares favourable to him with 350 points removed.
 
I think he is in. There are a couple factors (aside from the obvious) that work in Toews' favour for a HOF selection.

The first is that the people voting on him getting in love him. Toews' place among the games best players is highly debated on HFBoards. Among the media, players, coaches and GMs it is not: he is universally regarded as one of the very best players in the league to them.

The second is that his international resume is second to none. This is not the NHL hall of fame, it is the hockey hall of fame, and Toews' success (and role on those teams) will play a big role in him getting elected.
 
Beau Knows said:
I look at someone like Forsberg who made it despite a shortened career as a comparable. He recorded over 350 more points than Toews and won a Hart trophy and Art Ross while also being a superior player with numerous team accomplishments of his own. He had 5 top 10 finishes in scoring to Toews' 0 while having amazing ppg rates in other years. In my mind if you took 350 points off of Forsberg's career, he doesn't make it. And I don't think Toews compares favourable to him with 350 points removed.
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I agree, but Toews has a few things going for him:

-The media loves him (esp North American media)
-Captained two teams to the cup (regarded as the best captain in NHL, regardless of whether or not it's true (not that we, spectators and fans, could tell the truth anyways))
-Won the Olympic gold twice
-Has won the Selke and is considered a premier two-way/defensive forward (although I would say that there are a few players who are a bit better than him defensively such as Bergeron)
 
He's gotten a lot of team accolades, but I think he's lacking a bit on the personal ones to be a shoe in at this point. His career trajectory is leading him to being a HOFer, but if his career ended right now he would not be in.
 
Chelios said:
The second is that his international resume is second to none. This is not the NHL hall of fame, it is the hockey hall of fame, and Toews' success (and role on those teams) will play a big role in him getting elected.
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If it were truly the Hockey Hall of Fame you'd have more than Tretiak, Kharlmov, Fetisov, and Larionov (half counts?) inducted. Plenty of European players accomplished lots to merit HHOF consideration under that definition. The easiest example would be Makarov.

Also is Toews' international resume that impressive? Two golds and one best forward award is definitely nice, but it's far from second to none.
 
Rob Scuderi said:
If it were truly the Hockey Hall of Fame you'd have more than Tretiak, Kharlmov, Fetisov, and Larionov (half counts?) inducted. Plenty of European players accomplished lots to merit HHOF consideration under that definition. The easiest example would be Makarov.

Also is Toews' international resume that impressive? Two golds and one best forward award is definitely nice, but it's far from second to none.
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True, but when you factor in NHL accomplishment sit all changes. its the hockey hall of fame in the sense they consider international accomplishments but they come second to NHL ones.
 
Shawked said:
True, but when you factor in NHL accomplishment sit all changes. its the hockey hall of fame in the sense they consider international accomplishments but they come second to NHL ones.
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Then that's not the Hockey Hall of Fame, it's the NHL Hall of Fame with a few europeans
 
I think he is, and at most a year or two away. 15ish years from now when Toews is inducted it will be the last half-dozen years that will make up the greatest part of his legacy, that's what he'll be remembered for and that's why he'll be inducted. Not his back-nine years featuring declining play and reaching aesthetically pleasing milestones, like 500 points.
 
I guess you have to ask yourself, in the HHOF how many players were HHOFers at age 26 with 8 years under their belt? The answer? Less than you think. 30 is a more round number where more of them were shoo-ins. 26-27 years old? I don't know. At the same token, take a guy like Yzerman, is he a lock if his career ended in 1991? I can't imagine anyone thinking Toews' first 8 years are better than Yzerman's team accomplishments or not, so if that is the case after the 1991 is he in with that career?

Hawerchuk is probably in after year 8 just because he hit the ground running as an 18 year old like few have. However, no to Stastny, Gilmour, Oates, Perreault, Thornton and I think Jagr after 1998 would be one of those "was 1998 a fluke without Mario" type of deals.

So no, I don't think Toews is there yet. 2-3 more years and he walks away a HHOFer regardless.
 
Rob Scuderi said:
If it were truly the Hockey Hall of Fame you'd have more than Tretiak, Kharlmov, Fetisov, and Larionov (half counts?) inducted. Plenty of European players accomplished lots to merit HHOF consideration under that definition. The easiest example would be Makarov.

Also is Toews' international resume that impressive? Two golds and one best forward award is definitely nice, but it's far from second to none.
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I completely agree that many of the european players you mentioned should be in. That doesn't change the fact that the voters do look at international accomplishments when making there decision.

And yes, Toews' international resume is that impressive. Two Olympic gold medals, 1 World Championship gold medal (along with 1 silver) and 2 WJC gold medals. Toews has represented Canada at the international level 6 times and has come home with 5 golds and a silver. That is impressive no matter how you slice it. He was also integral in most (if not all) of those teams.
 
Chelios said:
I completely agree that many of the european players you mentioned should be in. That doesn't change the fact that the voters do look at international accomplishments when making there decision.

And yes, Toews' international resume is that impressive. Two Olympic gold medals, 1 World Championship gold medal (along with 1 silver) and 2 WJC gold medals. Toews has represented Canada at the international level 6 times and has come home with 5 golds and a silver. That is impressive no matter how you slice it. He was also integral in most (if not all) of those teams.
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Like here.... :nod:

 
jkrx said:
Because of popularity he will make it. Should he? No.
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This is exactly my stance. As a standalone, Toews 8 seasons aren't close enough to get him Hall consideration. Add the trophies, add the international stuff, it gets closer. Should he get in given his accomplishments so far total? No, he's not close to that kind of talent or on ice impacter, would he? On reputation alone, yes. Some hockey writers/analysts would take him before Crosby when making a team, that speaks enough about his media reputation. :laugh:
 
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