Player Discussion Tocchet What Is/How He Doing?

[Bourne Endeavor]

System and regular system buy in has been great.

Line matching pretty good.

Timeouts not good, we could have used one tonight to stem the bleeding.

Lineup and lines changing mediocre, he did a good job changing it up for game 5 and it sparked the team but it wasn't enough in game 6.

General reading of who is going and adjusting ice time accordingly has been bad. E.g., not laying off millers ice time in that one game where he sucked. Letting Mik boat anchor a whole line for 1.75 playoff series.

PK great, PP started off promising with movement base but ended up terrible.

In-game tactical adjustments like adjusting to Nashville and now Oilers heavy forecheck, non-existent.

Overall, a good coach with some noticeable warts. I'm certainly not going to read him the riot act after how terrific our season turned out to be, win or lose tomorrow night, but if these mistakes continue into next season without meaningful improvement, I'm going to be far more concerned.

The big thing Tocchet needs to learn is recognizing live when his systems aren't working. I don't know whether it's overly cautious conservativism where he doesn't want to make adjustments too quickly in case it's simply a poor shift or lapse in judgement from the player or if he's too rigid and just assumes everything will correct itself.

Either way, that can't happen next year if we want to remain consistent.

And for the love of god, hire a powerplay coach. Start a damn intervention if that's what it takes. There is absolutely zero excuse for how inept our powerplay became. Unfortunately, this goes back to the above criticism. We're locked into specific set plays that teams have long figured out and Tocchet won't move away from them.

What frustrates me is they, seemingly, did adjust entirely on accident and it worked. That dynamic movement of Boeser skating up to the point and Petey switching into the bumper line threw Edmonton off completely since they probably expected the typical one timer. No idea why they didn't stick with it.

 

[HockeyWooot]

He’s been great. A complete turnaround of this group, in large part to what this coaching group has done.

PP issues is the main critique, special teams is a huge part for legit contenders. With the players we have to work with, our PP has not been good enough and has been known issue for a while now.

 

[Green Blank Stare]

Power play is still ass. It looks exactly the same as it ended last season: completely inept.

 

[Coffee]

Power play is still ass. It looks exactly the same as it ended last season: completely inept.

Wonder if he'd even be interested , but I'd look into Pominville for powerplay coach

 

[Ernie]

Bumping this thread.

It's time to start talking about this coach.

He has made some very questionable decisions this season and has failed to effectively manage his two top forwards. When coaches start complaining about the players not listening, a management team has two options: reconstruct the roster in a major way, or fire the coach.

One of the major oversights from this last offseason was not adding more NHL coaching experience behind the bench. It was clear the Canucks needed a PP coach. Adam Foote may be capable but this is his first time behind an NHL bench in any capacity. Yogi Švejkovský's most relevant experience was as an assistant coach in the WHL in 2013.

Tocchet has obviously earned some runway from last season, but if you look at his results this season alone, he would deserve to be fired.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Bumping this thread.

It's time to start talking about this coach.

He has made some very questionable decisions this season and has failed to effectively manage his two top forwards. When coaches start complaining about the players not listening, a management team has two options: reconstruct the roster in a major way, or fire the coach.

One of the major oversights from this last offseason was not adding more NHL coaching experience behind the bench. It was clear the Canucks needed a PP coach. Adam Foote may be capable but this is his first time behind an NHL bench in any capacity. Yogi Švejkovský's most relevant experience was as an assistant coach in the WHL in 2013.

Tocchet has obviously earned some runway from last season, but if you look at his results this season alone, he would deserve to be fired.

No he wouldn’t, full stop.

 

[Ernie]

No he wouldn’t, full stop.

Absolutely he would. 30 games in and he's complaining about losing the room, the team is unmotivated. Major problems with his relationship with his two top forwards and several key players are struggling beyond that.

 

[WTG]

Absolutely he would. 30 games in and he's complaining about losing the room, the team is unmotivated. Major problems with his relationship with his two top forwards and several key players are struggling beyond that.

Let's be honest, we have no idea what is going on in the room. Nobody has gone public with their disapproval of the coach. The team is still in a playoff spot despite injuries which is impressive. Two years ago, if they had this many injuries they would probably be 6-8 points out of a playoff spot by now.

 

[Tact]

The idea that Tocchet should be fired is absurd. The team still has a decent record and he absolutely changed the culture here last year.

There’s been some road blocks along the way this season, but that also includes the personnel he has (the defence in particular).

Give the coaching staff an opportunity to turn this around - Tocchet has been a great communicator with the players

 

[beachcomber]

Absolutely he would. 30 games in and he's complaining about losing the room, the team is unmotivated. Major problems with his relationship with his two top forwards and several key players are struggling beyond that.

Fire him and replace him with who exactly?

 

[Ernie]

Fire him and replace him with who exactly?

I did not say he should be fired right now. He has earned the right to turn things around.

My point is that this season, on its own, does not reflect well on him an NHL coach. You cannot argue that he has gotten the best out of this team.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

you can’t fire a coach for not repeating a season where he got the team to wildly overachieve

 

[ephmrl]

This core should not have the opportunity to get another coach fired. If it ever got to a boiling over point, the players should be the ones getting traded and Tocchet should be given a chance with a new mix of players.

I'm not going to judge the lack of 5v5 offense in Tocchet's system until he has more than two defenseman who are able to reliably break the puck out of the zone cleanly.

 

[Ernie]

This core should not have the opportunity to get another coach fired. If it ever got to a boiling over point, the players should be the ones getting traded and Tocchet should be given a chance with a new mix of players.

I'm not going to judge the lack of 5v5 offense in Tocchet's system until he has more than two defenseman who are able to reliably break the puck out of the zone cleanly.

Hard to see how dismantling the team ends up with the team in a better place. I can't think of any examples where that's worked out but perhaps I'm wrong.

As for previous coaches, pretty hard argument to make they didn't have a pretty big role in getting themselves fired.

 

[LordBacon]

Tocchet will be on the hot seat relatively soon, but not because of poor performance but rather because of this very volatile fan base.

Yall really forgotten how Willy D and Travis Green used to coached this team.

 

[Ernie]

Tocchet will be on the hot seat relatively soon, but not because of poor performance but rather because of this very volatile fan base.

Yall really forgotten how Willy D and Travis Green used to coached this team.

Ultimately I think management deserves more heat than he does, particularly for not bringing more experience into the coaching staff this season.

But if Willie and Travis are the benchmark, I feel that yes, we can absolutely hire better coaches than that.

 

[VanJack]

Wow! Day two after the Bruins disaster and Tocchet is still calling out his team. He's upped the total to 'seven' of players who weren't mentally and physically engaged.

So what happens tomorrow night? Either the Canucks come out like they're shot out of a cannon; or it's more the lackluster 'same'......at which point the spotlight really shifts to the coaching. Maybe that's Tocchet's strategy......to carry the can himself rather than the players.

 

[David71]

nope not getting fired. its the players turn to get shipped out. coaching card is overplayed. he needs players that fit "his system" more dump and chase, no offensive freedom except hughes.

 

[F A N]

Ultimately I think management deserves more heat than he does, particularly for not bringing more experience into the coaching staff this season.

I'm curious as to what difference you think having an experienced assistant would make. Now I'm not a fan of Yeo, but few current NHL assistant/associate coach can match his combined experience as an NHL assistant, NHL head coach, and experience as an NHL head coach.

Tocchet isn't some rookie head coach and has been in the NHL as a player, assistant coach, or head coach for most of the last 40 years. He also has Foote with him on the bench. Foote technically doesn't have much coaching experience but obviously has a wealth of experience. Yogi is obviously green as an assistant coach but experienced as a skills coach.

Plus we don't know if Tocchet wanted to bring in someone else and management said no.

 

[BluesyShoes]

Any precedent for an assistant coach to get fired mid-season? From various comments over this coaching tenure, it seems as though Foote more or less has the run of the defense, and has some hand in personnel selection. The emphasis on size and strength over skill is definitely his MO. I mean it worked pretty well last post-season for protecting our net, but if Allvin and Rutherford want to change the defensive philosophy for more mobility and possession, does Foote stay?

The Brannstrom move leads me to wonder if Allvin may have a different philosophy for the backend. I mean, Brannstrom immediately was a breath of fresh air for our system, despite struggling to really get a foothold elsewhere in the league. Where does an upgrade on Brannstrom leave us?

 

[F A N]

Any precedent for an assistant coach to get fired mid-season?

Yes. Usually when a head coach gets fired.

 

[BluesyShoes]

Yes. Usually when a head coach gets fired.

Lol, I mean specifically without firing the head coach.

 

[Bubbles]

Tocchet hates Russians. We went from 4 on the team to zero.

 

[TruGr1t]

He seems for all intents and purposes to be a pretty embedded part of the Rutherford/Allvin regime. I highly doubt anything is done with him this season (or even this summer). From what they're saying, it seems far more likely you see some major player personnel moves.

Maybe they finally force him to hire a PP coach, and don't take his word on guys like Forbort/Desharnais anymore in terms of acquisitions. That's about all I could see happening.

 

[credulous]

Any precedent for an assistant coach to get fired mid-season? From various comments over this coaching tenure, it seems as though Foote more or less has the run of the defense, and has some hand in personnel selection. The emphasis on size and strength over skill is definitely his MO. I mean it worked pretty well last post-season for protecting our net, but if Allvin and Rutherford want to change the defensive philosophy for more mobility and possession, does Foote stay?

The Brannstrom move leads me to wonder if Allvin may have a different philosophy for the backend. I mean, Brannstrom immediately was a breath of fresh air for our system, despite struggling to really get a foothold elsewhere in the league. Where does an upgrade on Brannstrom leave us?

brannstrom was just a way for the avs to offset contract slots and salary in the poolman deal. he was instantly waived on acquisition. let's not pretend management targeted him as a useful player