TNSE's letter to Season ticket holders

[surixon]

I'm sorry but the Jets wrote in their summary that the only disappointing thing this year was game 5. Anybody who thinks that is an accurate statement about this season or even just the playoffs has their head so far up Mark Chipman's ass they will need to have it surgically removed.

I don't see a point continuing to debate with you.

That paragraph was specifically about the playoffs only. The actual article covers other disappointing aspects of the year.

It's not at all inaccurate if you read it as intended.

 

[Ducky10]

I'm sorry but the Jets wrote in their summary that the only disappointing thing this year was game 5. Anybody who thinks that is an accurate statement about this season or even just the playoffs has their head so far up Mark Chipman's ass they will need to have it surgically removed.

I don't see a point continuing to debate with you.

Well I’m highly critical of Chipman, so that ain’t me.
Your interpretation of the summary is pretty jaded, let’s leave it at that. It’s not really much of a debate anyway.

It's also that it seemingly is being misconstrued as some special email communication to seat holders when this is just from a reoccurring email stream from the team that comes out every week or so notifying fans of the latest articles on their website.

It’s literally from the Jets.com team. They write a freaking newsletter for the website and send it out to subscribers. I mean, why subscribe to a newsletter if you can’t be bothered to read it?

The way this is being spun as some season ending state of the union address from up on high at TNSE is hilarious. Billeck has effectively reached the low hanging fruit crowd. Kudos to him I guess.

 

[jetsv2]

Well I’m highly critical of Chipman, so that ain’t me.
Your interpretation of the summary is pretty jaded, let’s leave it at that. It’s not really much of a debate anyway.

The only disappointment was game 5... That's the way TNSE views this season. Not the fact that they no showed more than half the periods they played in the playoffs, not that they were 1-2 losses from the biggest regular season collapse in NHL history. Nope, just game 5.

 

[gojetsgo]

It's still a f***ing wildly inaccurate summary of this season coming directly from the team.

it isn't "wildly inaccurate", we were the underdog going into the series, we controlled game 1 they controlled game 2, game 3 we lost jmo in the first min but we had a 3 goal comeback in an eventual double ot loss, game four we lose scheif in the 1st min of the game and it was a close game then game 5 happened and that was a terrible effort

 

[jetsv2]

That paragraph was specifically about the playoffs only. The actual article covers other disappointing aspects of the year.

It's not at all inaccurate if you read it as intended.

Ok so the Jets didn't show up for over half the periods throughout games 2-5 but only the final result of game 5 was a disappointment.

it isn't "wildly inaccurate", we were the underdog going into the series, we controlled game 1 they controlled game 2, game 3 we lost jmo in the first min but we had a 3 goal comeback in an eventual double ot loss, game four we lose scheif in the 1st min of the game and it was a close game then game 5 happened and that was a terrible effort

If the only thing you found disappointing in that series was game 5 then you are delusional. There was plenty of time in games 2-4 where the effort looked like game 5.

 

[Avocado Coolranch]

That is not true here is a f***ing screenshot of the email they sent me, you should apologize to Billeck for attacking his journalism without knowing what the f*** you are talking about.

Woah this is very telling if they chose to summarize the article this way and emailing those who subscribed to it. Honestly sad... because the article starts off as:

"Whenever a team doesn't reach the lofty goals set in training camp, disappointment will always be present as year-end exit meetings are conducted and locker stalls cleaned out.​

That was the case for the Winnipeg Jets two days after being eliminated in five games by the Vegas Golden Knights."​

Which is totally fine to summarize the article and have folks go read more through the link. But adding the pushback bit to the summary in the email is just pushing an agenda or maybe they are just trying to be click bait. Either or it looks bad IMO.

 

[gojetsgo]

Ok so the Jets didn't show up for over half the periods throughout games 2-5 but only the final result of game 5 was a disappointment.

vegas was the #1 seed, and they just got their best player added back to the lineup, we were the 8th seed and had our best players taken out

 

[jetsv2]

vegas was the #1 seed, and they just got their best player added back to the lineup, we were the 8th seed and had our best players taken out

You can keep pretending that was a good showing by the Jets if you want, you are exactly the easy customer TNSE is counting on to keep eating the shit they shovel at you.

I hope you enjoy watching them lose in round one every year because Chevy made it clear the goal is simply to make the playoffs every year regardless of what position and then hope for a long playoff run.

 

[gojetsgo]

Ok so the Jets didn't show up for over half the periods throughout games 2-5 but only the final result of game 5 was a disappointment.


If the only thing you found disappointing in that series was game 5 then you are delusional. There was plenty of time in games 2-4 where the effort looked like game 5.

game 3 we lost our best player in the 1st minute of the game and mounted a 3 period 3rd... game 4 we lose our best center in the first minute of the game after going in without jmo and the effort was there we just didn't have the horses to compete. I don't know to me delusional is thinking that the 8th seed should be outplaying the #1 seeds consistently after losing their #1 center #1 winder and top nhl defensemen, I mean unless you are scott billeck that is, because teams overcome those injuries all the time and the examples he gave when asked: this years boston bruins and colorado avalanche

You can keep pretending that was a good showing by the Jets if you want, you are exactly the easy customer TNSE is counting on to keep eating the shit they shovel at you.

pretty sure most around here understood we were undermanned in this series, it wasn't until game 5 that most people were upset with how they played

 

[jetsv2]

game 3 we lost our best player in the 1st minute of the game and mounted a 3 period 3rd... game 4 we lose our best center in the first minute of the game after going in without jmo and the effort was there we just didn't have the horses to compete. I don't know to me delusional is thinking that the 8th seed should be outplaying the #1 seeds consistently after losing their #1 center #1 winder and top nhl defensemen, I mean unless you are scott billeck that is, because teams overcome those injuries all the time and the examples he gave when asked: this years boston bruins and colorado avalanche

I'm not going to sit here and pretend this team had a successful year by losing in round one just because they are the underdog. This is a deeply flawed team run by a management group who thinks just making the playoffs is a success.

This season was another failure, maybe not as big a failure as last year but still nowhere close to a positive one.

 

[surixon]

game 3 we lost our best player in the 1st minute of the game and mounted a 3 period 3rd... game 4 we lose our best center in the first minute of the game after going in without jmo and the effort was there we just didn't have the horses to compete. I don't know to me delusional is thinking that the 8th seed should be outplaying the #1 seeds consistently after losing their #1 center #1 winder and top nhl defensemen, I mean unless you are scott billeck that is, because teams overcome those injuries all the time and the examples he gave when asked: this years boston bruins and colorado avalanche


pretty sure most around here understood we were undermanned in this series, it wasn't until game 5 that most people were upset with how they played

He maybe should have waited on those ones, that quote didn't age very well for him.

As for game 5 they iced a lineup that had $25 million more in cap hit then ours. I hated the effort but we were so outgunned it wasn't even funny.

 

[jetsv2]

I'm happy for you guys that this was a positive season for you, you are going to enjoy watching this team lose in round 1 every year after sneaking into the playoffs.

Some of us expect more from this organization, it's just too bad they are content with mediocrity and a little sad that mentality has rubbed off on some of the fans.

 

[surixon]

I'm not going to sit here and pretend this team had a successful year by losing in round one just because they are the underdog. This is a deeply flawed team run by a management group who thinks just making the playoffs is a success.

This season was another failure, maybe not as big a failure as last year but still nowhere close to a positive one.

No one in the org has said they were happy to be out in round one. To a person they expressed dissappintment even Chevy.

 

[JetsFan815]

So based on reading this thread, these are the facts:

• Mitchell Clinton, a TNSE person wrote that article
• TNSE specifically pulled out those quotes from the middle of the article and used them to headline an email to STHs
• Scott Billeck tweeted a screenshot of the said email and questioned if the org highlighting the word "pushback" is undermining the coach

We can debate whether it is appropriate for TNSE to use those quotes to lead an email... but I am not sure how some are arriving to the conclusion that "Billeck is the bad guy here". Seems to me he saw the email and it raised his eyebrows at the organization specifically pushing back against the "no pushback" comments by the coach and tweeted about it. imo if I had got that email I'd have wondered the same (as would most on this board).

So to answer the thread's question, this is definitely not fake news. If it is being taken out of context then TNSE took their own man Clinton out of context to make a point.

 

[jetsv2]

No one in the org has said they were happy to be out in round one. To a person they expressed dissappintment even Chevy.

I'm not really interested in going around in circles with you anymore, if you watched his press conference and came away thinking that he isn't content with how this season played out and that they were the victims of bad luck then I don't really need to hear your opinion anymore. Don't bother responding I'm just going to ignore you now.

 

[gojetsgo]

So based on reading this thread, these are the facts:

• Mitchell Clinton, a TNSE person wrote that article
• TNSE specifically pulled out those quotes from the middle of the article and used them to headline an email to STHs
• Scott Billeck tweeted a screenshot of the said email and questioned if the org highlighting the word "pushback" is undermining the coach

We can debate whether it is appropriate for TNSE to use those quotes to lead an email... but I am not sure how some are arriving to the conclusion that "Billeck is the bad guy here". Seems to me he saw the email and it raised his eyebrows at the organization specifically pushing back against the "no pushback" comments by the coach and tweeted about it. imo if I had got that email I'd have wondered the same (as would most on this board).

So to answer the thread's question, this is definitely not fake news. If it is being taken out of context then TNSE took their own man Clinton out of context to make a point.

scott billeck is a reported who covers the jets, and had he done so properly and read the full article he would realize that it doesn't undermind bones comments, instead he posted a screenshot and cropped out the part where it says read more here and made it seem like they sent out a 2 paragraph email going against bones post game comments

 

[Avocado Coolranch]

He maybe should have waited on those ones, that quote didn't age very well for him.

As for game 5 they iced a lineup that had $25 million more in cap hit then ours. I hated the effort but we were so outgunned it wasn't even funny.

Seattle Kraken says hi

 

[surixon]

I'm happy for you guys that this was a positive season for you, you are going to enjoy watching this team lose in round 1 every year after sneaking into the playoffs.

Some of us expect more from this organization, it's just too bad they are content with mediocrity and a little sad that mentality has rubbed off on some of the fans.

Who said it was a positive season. All I've said is there were positives in it. I also believe many of these positives can be built on to hopefully create a stronger and more consistient team next year.

I'm not happy with the second half collapse even if some of it was largely due to a cold shooting spell. I'm also not satisfied with game 5 and crashing out in round one but in the end it might be a blessing as some members of this core need to be replaced.

 

[gojetsgo]

I'm not going to sit here and pretend this team had a successful year by losing in round one just because they are the underdog. This is a deeply flawed team run by a management group who thinks just making the playoffs is a success.

This season was another failure, maybe not as big a failure as last year but still nowhere close to a positive one.

were not even talking about if the overall season is a success or not.. were talking about the email that was sent out, the email that was only talking about the pushback in the 1st round, you said it was utterly false, I disagreed, I think up until game 5 the effort was there. you instead of countering that claim decided to say it wasn't a successful season which nobody was even arguing....

 

[JetsFan815]

scott billeck is a reported who covers the jets, and had he done so properly and read the full article he would realize that it doesn't undermind bones comments, instead he posted a screenshot and cropped out the part where it says read more here and made it seem like they sent out a 2 paragraph email going against bones post game comments

I think TNSE using those quotes to headline an email is worth noting and it is worth questioning what that says with regards to them having or not having Bones' back. Billeck is also a fan... I am not sure expecting Woodward and Bernstein level investigative journalism in a tweet about an email sent by the ownership group of the Winnipeg Jets is a fair expectation. I think we should question the thought process behind that email and if that indicates how this organization really feels rather than attacking Billeck's journalistic integrity for simply tweeting a screenshot of an email. I bet 80% of this board would have done the same if they got that email and were active on hockey twitter.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think TNSE using those quotes to headline an email is worth noting and it is worth questioning what that says with regards to them having or not having Bones' back. Billeck is also a fan... I am not sure expecting Woodward and Bernstein level investigative journalism in a tweet about an email sent by the ownership group of the Winnipeg Jets is a fair expectation. I think we should question the thought process behind that email and if that indicates how this organization really feels rather than attacking Billeck's journalistic integrity for simply tweeting a screenshot of an email. I bet 80% of this board would have done the same if they got that email and were active on hockey twitter.

no, he gets paid to cover the winnipeg jets, reading a 10 minute article is not hard to do at all, tweeting a screenshot of 2 paragraphs and while with holding that it's part of a bigger article with the headline that they were continuing to undermine rick boness (even though he said himself that they had pushback in the article) is either to cause more fan outrage or lazy lazy reporting, and considering he cropped out that there was more to the article I know which one I'd go with. Who cares if 80% of hfboards would do the same? that really shouldn't be the standard for someone who gets paid to cover the team

 

[ChadBigly]

I think up until game 5 the effort was there.

Was the effort there in Jan/Feb/Mar?

 

[gojetsgo]

Was the effort there in Jan/Feb/Mar?

not every game, but there were games we played good and lost, and what does this have to do with the email that was specifically talking about the pushback during the vegas series

 

[Avocado Coolranch]

not every game, but there were games we played good and lost, and what does this have to do with the email that was specifically talking about the pushback during the vegas series

If you want to argue on semantics, the email body is titled "Jets reflect on the ups and downs of the 2022-2023 season" so you would expect reflection on the season itself and how it concluded in the summary.

The article subtitle has:
"We had a really good stretch, and then we couldn't keep putting that together."
which would have been good to add to the summary in the email to outline the players thoughts on the season but specifically adding the out of context quote "the only disappointing part is game 5" instead, just seems disingenuous and is probably the reason why some don't appreciate it.

We get it, TNSE is happy with the season because the Jets made it into the playoffs which is a success in their books but don't shove that ideology on me because I personally expect more. I expect players who don't easily give up especially when things don't go their way... I get it, maybe it is just a job to some of the players but as a fan, it is not great to watch and makes it hard to believe in the team especially when they play with no pride more often than not.

 

[gojetsgo]

If you want to argue on semantics, the email body is titled "Jets reflect on the ups and downs of the 2022-2023 season" so you would expect reflection on the season itself and how it concluded in the summary.

The article subtitle has:
"We had a really good stretch, and then we couldn't keep putting that together."
which would have been good to add to the summary in the email to outline the players thoughts on the season but specifically adding the out of context quote "the only disappointing part is game 5" instead, just seems disingenuous and is probably the reason why some don't appreciate it.

We get it, TNSE is happy with the season because the Jets made it into the playoffs which is a success in their books but don't shove that ideology on me because I personally expect more. I expect players who don't easily give up especially when things don't go their way... I get it, maybe it is just a job to some of the players but as a fan, it is not great to watch and makes it hard to believe in the team especially when they play with no pride more often than not.

it's really not semantics, the summary of the email that billeck posted was talking purely about the vegas series, which was what the conversation we were having was about that email, so I don't get why I'm being quoted with whataboutism's asking about the regular season when nobody was talking about the regular season in the conversation...
to sum up the conversation:
poster 1: they lied about the push back in the email
poster 2: other then game 5 there was push back
poster 3: what about the regular season though?