Tkachuk traded to Florida
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BB88
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The fans would never forgive them.
Have basically nothing left of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Hubs, Weegar
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My instant reaction is I don’t like this. Jonathan Huberdeau has been with the franchise for a decade and has gone on record about wanting to retire here. I feel many are discounting that his game will likely age very well as he doesn’t rely on speed but rather finesse and playmaking. Some may scoff at this, but I would’ve given him 8x80 and I think he would’ve been productive for a vast majority of that deal.
Additionally, we lose one of our top defenders, a prospect AND yet another first round pick.
When you consider the amount of first round picks we’ve given up lately only to end up with a worse roster than a season ago - I just don’t see how this is good asset management.
You have to assume Barkov doesn’t like this deal either, given his friendship with Huby and on ice chemistry.
To me, trading your franchise player should be an absolute last resort. These are guys who the organization ought to be loyal to. You want players to commit to playing here and that won’t happen if management develops a reputation for trading guys away the second they falter. Yes, Huby had a bad playoff - but only a season before that he played really well. He also scored 115 points in the regular season.
I also think this is too much turnover. We just overhauled the roster a few years ago and seemingly are doing it again. It’s not like we missed the playoffs or something, we’re coming off a president’s trophy. At some point you need roster stability.
I hope I’m proven wrong.
Additionally, we lose one of our top defenders, a prospect AND yet another first round pick.
When you consider the amount of first round picks we’ve given up lately only to end up with a worse roster than a season ago - I just don’t see how this is good asset management.
You have to assume Barkov doesn’t like this deal either, given his friendship with Huby and on ice chemistry.
To me, trading your franchise player should be an absolute last resort. These are guys who the organization ought to be loyal to. You want players to commit to playing here and that won’t happen if management develops a reputation for trading guys away the second they falter. Yes, Huby had a bad playoff - but only a season before that he played really well. He also scored 115 points in the regular season.
I also think this is too much turnover. We just overhauled the roster a few years ago and seemingly are doing it again. It’s not like we missed the playoffs or something, we’re coming off a president’s trophy. At some point you need roster stability.
I hope I’m proven wrong.
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No, he has stated that wants to play for the bleu, blanc and rouge.
Jonathan Huberdeau se voit avec le Canadien
L’attaquant Jonathan Huberdeau chérit toujours le rêve de porter l’uniforme du Canadien de Montréal.
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I agree that Zito has been dishing out 1st round picks like they are nothing. Zito can evaluate players correctly as far as their contracts are concerned but his asset mgmt skills in the trade biz leaves a lot to improve.
115pts looks nice in the stats sheet but in the end it was all about the playoffs. When Zito sees Verhaeghe, a then-$1mil winger scoring 12pts in 10 games, and 34yo TDL-acquisition in Giroux score 8pts in same amount of games, and generally have more impact on the ice... that's really all the evidence Zito needed to make his move.
Huberdeau got complacent and didn't expect to take flak for his playoff performance. He thought that his 115pts would guarantee a retirement package from Zito in the form of a $11milx8 deal. I agree that it would be greatly beneficial to have stability in the roster but unfortunately the players do not see the correlation between their effort when it counts the most and the mgmt's impact/$$$-calculations.
The Panthers are in a significantly worse situation with not having Weegar in the lineup. ppl may criticize him for a handful of mistakes but he was still the biggest contributor on winning games during 5-on-5 play. I don't see how Zito can make up for his absence when he has no 1st round pick at his disposal.
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I’d be amazed if Zito didn’t let Barkov know before, ”ask his permission” so to speak.
After all he’s the face of the franchise and C
I dunno. If asked, of course Barkov will say he wants to keep Hubs. Then it creates an awkward situation when Zito trades him anyway.
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If Hubby didn’t know, I highly doubt Barkov would have.
BB88
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I mean that’s basic good managing.
Barkov is the face of the franchise.
In Boston Bergeron would have known
I’m not saying as much asking can he trade Hubs but give him a heads up and whats the vision
Just wanted to say that he doesn't rely on speed, yes, but that doesn't negate that him being a poor skater is an overall negative to his game. He won't get faster as he ages either. The game has only sped up, not down, and I don't see that changing. What does that mean? Less likely to be an effective back-checker. If he coughs up the puck he almost certainly isn't getting it back. I'm not exactly sure how it will affect his offensive game moving forward as he has a tendency of slowing the game down to his pace when he chooses to.
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Was hoping to wake up this morning to News that we traded 10 first round picks for Makar. Zito wyd
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To be fair, most players wouldn’t publicly say they want to go to a different team / not retire with the team they were drafted by and have been with for the last 10 years.
I’m sure he likes it here, but I also get the sense that Huby likes his money (as does his agent) and likely would’ve taken a larger deal elsewhere, especially since it’ll likely be the one and only time he gets the opportunity.
In private, I can see Barkov being honest and telling Zito something along the lines of “it would really suck but I trust you to do what’s right”, etc.
In public, yeah Barkov would definitely not say he’d be on board with a trade.
We will see if this new edition of the Panthers
is another regular season juggernaut and a playoff failure.
Or if we will be a good regular season team but a better
stronger playoff team.
After what we saw last playoff season.
Staying with same roster would have been a mistake.
is another regular season juggernaut and a playoff failure.
Or if we will be a good regular season team but a better
stronger playoff team.
After what we saw last playoff season.
Staying with same roster would have been a mistake.
Jean Luc Discard
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They'll have easily worse regular season and probably get beaten in the first round because they have only two proven top4 dmen. Think of the upcoming season as a building block towards the Lundell&Knight-era and a sunken cost of choosing to allow a guy like Tallon be the GM.
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Good trade.
Sucks to lose all that but it’s better to deal with this problem now than at the deadline.
Huberdeau is better offensively but I’d rather have Tkachuk, especially locked up and at his age.
Hopefully Zito can find a way to bring in another Dman.
Sucks to lose all that but it’s better to deal with this problem now than at the deadline.
Huberdeau is better offensively but I’d rather have Tkachuk, especially locked up and at his age.
Hopefully Zito can find a way to bring in another Dman.
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Think about how many grey hairs Wilson has caused in the East.
Tkachuk is super charged Wilson skill wise
Tkachuk is super charged Wilson skill wise
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Exactly. Teams are gonna hate playing against us.
It’s similar to when Hornqvist came here. Of course Tkachuk is on another level, but he’s gonna make our players better especially guys like Barkov.
Flames fan here:
-You will love Tkachuk most of the time. He engages physically, can throw other players off their game and has good scoring and play making skills.
-He cares about winning a lot and hates losing. I always appreciated his honest interviews and would take the blame when the team played bad.
-Rival fan bases will hate him and boo him which will make him a fan favorite in Florida. We always appreciated him making Oiler fans angry.
-He is really good in front of the net and good at tipping shots.
-He can play decent in the defensive zone when needed if your team is pinned. One weakness is when it comes to backchecking after a scoring chance the other way, he lacks foot speed and was usually the last player back from the rush on his line. He is not fast which will frustrate you at times.
-He will try his patented stick between the legs shot twice a game which will make you want to yell at the TV. But the 1 in 50 times it works it will be amazing and a highlight goal.
-Overall in the playoffs he was a huge disappointment and disappeared every year. Hopefully he can figure it out in Florida. He definitely tried to engage in these playoffs game 1 but hurt his hand fighting. For whatever reason his play just didn't translate well to the post season which was mind boggling.
All the best to Tkachuk and wish we could have signed him. He has his weaknesses but he was a fan favorite.
-You will love Tkachuk most of the time. He engages physically, can throw other players off their game and has good scoring and play making skills.
-He cares about winning a lot and hates losing. I always appreciated his honest interviews and would take the blame when the team played bad.
-Rival fan bases will hate him and boo him which will make him a fan favorite in Florida. We always appreciated him making Oiler fans angry.
-He is really good in front of the net and good at tipping shots.
-He can play decent in the defensive zone when needed if your team is pinned. One weakness is when it comes to backchecking after a scoring chance the other way, he lacks foot speed and was usually the last player back from the rush on his line. He is not fast which will frustrate you at times.
-He will try his patented stick between the legs shot twice a game which will make you want to yell at the TV. But the 1 in 50 times it works it will be amazing and a highlight goal.
-Overall in the playoffs he was a huge disappointment and disappeared every year. Hopefully he can figure it out in Florida. He definitely tried to engage in these playoffs game 1 but hurt his hand fighting. For whatever reason his play just didn't translate well to the post season which was mind boggling.
All the best to Tkachuk and wish we could have signed him. He has his weaknesses but he was a fan favorite.
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Wilson has been mvp level year out for Washington in the playoffs. His presence is massive for Washington and how they play.
Florida needs feeling and fire into their game for playoff hockey. It’s not a regular season
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I understand the points haven’t been there for Tkachuk as much in the playoffs but he’s just entering his prime and his presence on the ice will be mvp level for Florida
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Disregarding "value" Huberdeau and Weegar just isn't a duo you give 17-20M over 7-8 years. That just isn't how you win. They have had multiple kicks at the can now in the playoffs and their results have actually gotten worse.
I feel like adding the first rounder is a bit overkill, but it's great to see Zito being proactive.
If we had signed these two to their "market value" we'd have:
Bob 10x4
Barkov 10x8
Huberdeau 10x8
Weegar 7.5 (?) x8
That's almost half that cap for three players at or above 30 years old.
I feel like adding the first rounder is a bit overkill, but it's great to see Zito being proactive.
If we had signed these two to their "market value" we'd have:
Bob 10x4
Barkov 10x8
Huberdeau 10x8
Weegar 7.5 (?) x8
That's almost half that cap for three players at or above 30 years old.
Tkachuk is not super skilled Tom Wilson. More like a super skilled Sean Avery.
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There has to be another move coming for a dman right? Probably won’t be able to replace Weegar at this point, but leaving things as is seems like a major risk. Is there someone in the system that might be ready to step in that I’m forgetting about? Or is this guy we signed from Europe going to be getting a good look?
BB88
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In what way?
Tkachuk is the best powerforward in the gme and just hitting his prime.
I’d say that’s super charged Wilson
Zito should have had that trade lineup at the same time as he pulled off that deal.
Acquiring teams would have had far less leverage
I just dont think Zito will stand pat with this D core.
We have too good of a team and too much traded and invested
to write this season off and look to the future.
