Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren

[Kiwi]

I think ceci and muzzin trumps hainsey and Z, so net improvement.
Harpur? If his job is to clear the crease and jam the cycle? Let's see how he does.
I agree that the forwards need to help out more and there have been some changes up front too, so I will cross my fingers.
That said my point that the D should've better at stopping the cycle vs last season seems valid to me.

We already had Muzzin and by that top sentence I'm presuming you've never seen Ceci play or Harpur

Woof salt Woof

The forwards haven't change that much and while I admire your misplaced optimism I don't share it unsurprisingly

Quoting this as the supporting argument that harpur might have a use in stopping the cycle contrary to your thoughts that he is just bad.

If he's just bad and nobody sane should want him dressing not being on the ice will affect his ability to stop the cycle I'd imagine

 

[saltming]

We already had Muzzin and by that top sentence I'm presuming you've never seen Ceci play or Harpur

Woof salt Woof

The forwards haven't change that much and while I admire your misplaced optimism I don't share it unsurprisingly



If he's just bad and nobody sane should want him dressing not being on the ice will affect his ability to stop the cycle I'd imagine

I recall ceci playing his best hockey when paired with Karlsson when all he had to do was defend the net and get the puck to Karlsson. Maybe the return of that format will stand well with him.
As for harpur I'm sure, ifbhe makes the team, we can revive our polak debate and sub in harpur inplace of polak

Seriously thou, as a 6 or 7 d man all I expect is a couple bone jarring hits and an immovable object in front of the net.
Muzzin was literally the only defenseman that could stop the cycle last season and he was adjusting to a new system, so I'm thinking he should be more settled in this year.
I know you have optimism in you. I can feel it!

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One mans sanity is another's psychosis

 

[Kiwi]

I recall ceci playing his best hockey when paired with Karlsson when all he had to do was defend the net and get the puck to Karlsson. Maybe the return of that format will stand well with him.
As for harpur I'm sure, ifbhe makes the team, we can revive our polak debate and sub in harpur inplace of polak

Seriously thou, as a 6 or 7 d man all I expect is a couple bone jarring hits and an immovable object in front of the net.
Muzzin was literally the only defenseman that could stop the cycle last season and he was adjusting to a new system, so I'm thinking he should be more settled in this year.
I know you have optimism in you. I can feel it!

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One mans sanity is another's psychosis

Psychosis is the right word there Salt

Ceci is bad, maybe he's less bad with Rielly with some easier competition but I've got some doubts, he's a roll of the dice we took on to jettison Zaitsev (That's the best thing I can say about him)

I'm hoping Harpur sits in the stands with a suit on getting splinters in his ass, That's where he does his best work

Muzzin is a bloody good player, unfortunately it takes more than one dude to stop the other team cycling the puck

 

[meefer]

Rielly is about average defensively, maybe slightly above average, but not much better than that in his own zone. Offensively, he's amongst the leagues elites though, so overall, a great D man. Rielly was below average up until a couple of seasons ago, and has improved quite a bit in that regards.

Liljegren isn't even a dominant AHL defensive guy as of yet. It would be fantastic if he could turn into a great defensive guy, but he isn't there yet, and isn't above Rielly either. Maybe one day, but that's to be determined.

That this needs to be said speaks to the collective anxiety of Leaf fans. Absolute truth, with no bias or anger directed towards the player, bravo. A young fella, just 20, entering his 3rd year after a protected 1st year of 43 games, a 2nd year of 44 games, injury having hurt his development, yet producing at a rate of 0.32 points per game in the AHL while becoming, in the words of his coach, 'the most responsible D' on the team. And we bicker?

 

[saltming]

Psychosis is the right word there Salt

Ceci is bad, maybe he's less bad with Rielly with some easier competition but I've got some doubts, he's a roll of the dice we took on to jettison Zaitsev (That's the best thing I can say about him)

I'm hoping Harpur sits in the stands with a suit on getting splinters in his ass, That's where he does his best work

Muzzin is a bloody good player, unfortunately it takes more than one dude to stop the other team cycling the puck

Ceci needs some grooming. I think the 1 year deal is just that, prove it or lose it.
Harpur I have a very low bar set there. All I am expecting is for him to be 6'6" every shift. You know you can't teach that right?

 

[Kiwi]

Ceci needs some grooming. I think the 1 year deal is just that, prove it or lose it.
Harpur I have a very low bar set there. All I am expecting is for him to be 6'6" every shift. You know you can't teach that right?

Some grooming? He's mid 20's, he should already be groomed (in the non predator sense)

He's 6'6 alright, pity about the rest of it, Babs should love him though

 

[kb]

Some grooming? He's mid 20's, he should already be groomed (in the non predator sense)

He's 6'6 alright, pity about the rest of it, Babs should love him though

Chara was a plug until 26.

 

[Kiwi]

Chara was a plug until 26.

He wasn't good but he didn't exactly follow what you'd call your usual development path and if Harpur or Ceci can do that i'm more than happy to come back here and apologize to them for doubting their abilities

I'm quietly confident I'm going to be ok though

 

[ErnieLeafs]

He wasn't good but he didn't exactly follow what you'd call your usual development path and if Harpur or Ceci can do that i'm more than happy to come back here and apologize to them for doubting their abilities

I'm quietly confident I'm going to be ok though

But we haven’t even gotten to training camp, and you’re already *****ing on guys. Relax. Let things play out. Assess things when we have a sample of them playing in our system, with our coaches, and players on our team.

Some of you really do your bloody best to suck every ounce of fun out of discussing this team.

 

[IPS]

Some of you really do your bloody best to suck every ounce of fun out of discussing this team.

Why? Because they don't discuss the team/players the way you like to see them discussed?

 

[Kiwi]

But we haven’t even gotten to training camp, and you’re already *****ing on guys. Relax. Let things play out. Assess things when we have a sample of them playing in our system, with our coaches, and players on our team.

Some of you really do your bloody best to suck every ounce of fun out of discussing this team.

Oh I'm sorry for offending you by calling players that have been bad players bad players

I didn't realize I had to talk bull**** to increase your hfboards pleasure

Break out the Pom Poms ErnieLeafs has entered the building, how about them Leafs

 

[Kiwi]

Why? Because they don't discuss the team/players the way you like to see them discussed?

I must admit I was surprised he jumped into a discussion he wasn't even involved in to go there

However after his moving and fact based argument I'm now convinced Ceci and Harpur through the magical properties of homerism are great players who I'm thoroughly ashamed of calling bad even thought ever piece of available evidence on the planet says they suck

 

[Fogelhund]

That this needs to be said speaks to the collective anxiety of Leaf fans. Absolute truth, with no bias or anger directed towards the player, bravo. A young fella, just 20, entering his 3rd year after a protected 1st year of 43 games, a 2nd year of 44 games, injury having hurt his development, yet producing at a rate of 0.32 points per game in the AHL while becoming, in the words of his coach, 'the most responsible D' on the team. And we bicker?

I think we over analyze things sometimes, and read what's not there. He's been good defensively, and he's progressing well. But he's not dominant, and he's not better than Rielly yet. That takes time, years to develop to be a great defender in most cases. He might become that, he might not... I don't know. It isn't a knock on him at all, I'm a fan of his, but it's ok to say he where he is today, as you say, with absolute truth.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Personally I like the idea of Lily starting in the minors, getting into a groove and feeling good about his game before coming to the NHL.

Worked well for Dermott.

 

[kb]

Personally I like the idea of Lily starting in the minors, getting into a groove and feeling good about his game before coming to the NHL.

Worked well for Dermott.

Bingo. This is exactly what I can foresee, unless he blows away everyone in camp and preseason.

 

[Einzakin]

In what world does Lilly not start in the minors. He still has not proven anything. He's nowhere near NHL ready. He regressed in points.

In fairness, his defensive game improved in the playoffs, but that's not saying much. I think Leaf fans are hyping this guy a little too much. I personally don't think he'll ever be a top 4 but we'll see.

 

[saltming]

Some grooming? He's mid 20's, he should already be groomed (in the non predator sense)

He's 6'6 alright, pity about the rest of it, Babs should love him though

By grooming I mean given a role to play. Know his limit and play within it.
Chemistry should not be forgotten. A meh player can suddenly bloom if put in the right scenario.

 

[Kiwi]

By grooming I mean given a role to play. Know his limit and play within it.
Chemistry should not be forgotten. A meh player can suddenly bloom if put in the right scenario.

They can but you need a base to work from and it needs to fit into what the team does

Not moving the puck well doesn't fit well with how this team is constructed or systematically inclined (possession orientated)

 

[saltming]

They can but you need a base to work from and it needs to fit into what the team does

Not moving the puck well doesn't fit well with how this team is constructed or systematically inclined (possession orientated)

Agreed. However to have possession you need to get the puck back if the opposition has it. Harpur does that then gets it to his puck moving partner and another pass and we are out of the zone.
Tic+tac=toe

 

[Kiwi]

Agreed. However to have possession you need to get the puck back if the opposition has it. Harpur does that then gets it to his puck moving partner and another pass and we are out of the zone.
Tic+tac=toe

It's hard on the partner if the other team can key on him though because the other guy can't move the puck

If we had the forwards coming back so Harpur can win the puck battle, make a 5-10 foot pass and sit back as the other guys attack maybe it could work but we would need a system change and is he good enough to change the whole system for?

 

[saltming]

It's hard on the partner if the other team can key on him though because the other guy can't move the puck

If we had the forwards coming back so Harpur can win the puck battle, make a 5-10 foot pass and sit back as the other guys attack maybe it could work but we would need a system change and is he good enough to change the whole system for?

The system change should not impinge on him, it should just be that way because it makes sense (for the record I don't think Babcock wants them to make the stretch pass everytime)
Also the tac in tic tac toe is the past to the forward: pass from Harpur to his D partner (tic), frombhis partner to the forward (tac), exit the zone (toe)

 

[Kiwi]

The system change should not impinge on him, it should just be that way because it makes sense (for the record I don't think Babcock wants them to make the stretch pass everytime)
Also the tac in tic tac toe is the past to the forward: pass from Harpur to his D partner (tic), frombhis partner to the forward (tac), exit the zone (toe)

I watched last season Salt, if Babcock didn't want them to make that pass all the time he didn't communicate it very well because our guys love it, a lot

We don't do tic tac toe, we do woo hoo 150 footer coming right up baby

I hate our system and want it changed but if we stick with our current one I don't think Harpurs game fits, we need guys with serious passing chops to pull that off

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

In what world does Lilly not start in the minors. He still has not proven anything. He's nowhere near NHL ready. He regressed in points.

In fairness, his defensive game improved in the playoffs, but that's not saying much. I think Leaf fans are hyping this guy a little too much. I personally don't think he'll ever be a top 4 but we'll see.

If he proves it in the preseason, then he may be the RD on the third pair. Sometimes the best way to ease a prospect in, is on the third line for a forward or bottom pairing for a defenseman.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Oh I'm sorry for offending you by calling players that have been bad players bad players

I didn't realize I had to talk bull**** to increase your hfboards pleasure

Break out the Pom Poms ErnieLeafs has entered the building, how about them Leafs

You sound like you’re 12. Congratulations.

 

[Kiwi]

You sound like you’re 12. Congratulations.

How cutting but I'll take the high road on this one