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Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren

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saltming said:
There is too much crap that goes on in sports media. I just like to hear from the horses mouth.
I'm not sure why so many post are down on lil. He has progressed well and seems to be developing a good toolbox. I think his hockey IQ is fine just a little immature when he started with us, but he was 18. Hes maturing and so is his game. I'm not sure if he will make the team out of camp, but I'm pretty sure he will be an NHL player with a good career.
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Totally agree, just commenting on what was said at the time, LA wasn’t keen.

I expect Lil is a top 4 for many years to come, it’s a process and he’s developing well.
 
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mapleleaf979 said:
He was a consensus #1 overall , a year out from his draft. He was looked at by all teams, 16 passed on him. Mono was not the reason why he dropped in the draft. LA Kings wanted Durzi over Liljegren, I feel thats legit. LA feels Liljegren has peaked and has little upside left all based around his hockey sense and the errors that wont go away.
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Reached his peak at 19/20?
 
Liljegren D+1, age 18: Sheltered OFD with defensive issues.
Liljegren D+2, age 19: Shutdown player with some of the best analytics in a strong second tier league.
LA: Not seeing progression here, he's probably peaked.

I sincerely doubt that's their impression. Then again, there's probably not a young player in the league that I've read more baffling scouting reports on than Liljegren.
 
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If Lil turns into a pretty good defensive player who can make an outlet pass then I’m happy. If he doesn’t score at a huge rate that’s probably a bonus for the Leafs. They won’t have to pay him huge amount of money!

I hope he’s having a big summer and comes into camp ready to steal a job. The “depth” dmen we have on the team are shit so there should be a chance.
 
Nithoniniel said:
I sincerely doubt that's their impression. Then again, there's probably not a young player in the league that I've read more baffling scouting reports on than Liljegren.
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I blame it on a combination of the telephone effect and people's associations of "truths" with certain traits.

Mobile talented puck mover/ rusher = Offensive defenseman
Offensive defenseman with IQ issues = Bad defensively
 
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When someone says Lilly has peaked, you know he is doing well, and the person can't admit it. At least we have the stats and the coach's opinion that proves he is doing great.
 
saltming said:
There is too much crap that goes on in sports media. I just like to hear from the horses mouth.
I'm not sure why so many post are down on lil. He has progressed well and seems to be developing a good toolbox. I think his hockey IQ is fine just a little immature when he started with us, but he was 18. Hes maturing and so is his game. I'm not sure if he will make the team out of camp, but I'm pretty sure he will be an NHL player with a good career.
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This is a great analysis. When uber skilled young players are immature, they have a tendency to play very loose and seem like they don't care and are not smart enough to improve.
 
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Nithoniniel said:
Liljegren D+1, age 18: Sheltered OFD with defensive issues.
Liljegren D+2, age 19: Shutdown player with some of the best analytics in a strong second tier league.
LA: Not seeing progression here, he's probably peaked.

I sincerely doubt that's their impression. Then again, there's probably not a young player in the league that I've read more baffling scouting reports on than Liljegren.
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Keefe said he wasn’t playing well prior to the injury, getting more minutes than his play deserved. Don’t forget the LA trade was done well before the deadline, Lil’s “stock” may have been somewhat in question from what their scouts had seen earlier. When Lil came back, through the playoffs, he really found the next level. I think the context matters with regard to LA, there were many questioning what he would become. I would submit LA would view him differently today.
 
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mapleleaf979 said:
He was a consensus #1 overall , a year out from his draft. He was looked at by all teams, 16 passed on him. Mono was not the reason why he dropped in the draft. LA Kings wanted Durzi over Liljegren, I feel thats legit. LA feels Liljegren has peaked and has little upside left all based around his hockey sense and the errors that wont go away.
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He was never considered #1 overall, though he was Top 3 partway through his draft year (right after his amazing Hlinka tournament).

Only 14 teams passed on Liljegren.
 
mapleleaf979 said:
He was a consensus #1 overall , a year out from his draft. He was looked at by all teams, 16 passed on him. Mono was not the reason why he dropped in the draft. LA Kings wanted Durzi over Liljegren, I feel thats legit. LA feels Liljegren has peaked and has little upside left all based around his hockey sense and the errors that wont go away.
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He was never a consensus #1 overall... I don't recall him being number one on anyone's list. He was #2 for sure though.

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-pre-season-ranking-the-nolan-patrick-draft-1.567410

2. Timothy Liljegren: The Swede is the undisputed top defenceman in this draft and, at this point, it's not even close.
Scouts say his offensive game is far more developed than his defensive game. He is an elite skater, both in terms of speed and agility, and adept at running a power play. He is seen as both a puck mover and an offensive point producer. No one is suggesting he's the next Erik Karlsson, not by any means, but scouts say he has some of the same qualities and, therefore, has the potential to be projected as a possible top pairing defenceman in time.
Liljegren is the only prospect other than Patrick who got 10 votes from the 10 scouts as a top-10 pick.

2017 NHL Mock Draft - NHL - DraftSite.com
 
2017 Draft, best performance last year:

1st Line Calibre

1. C E.Pettersson (20): 71gms, 28gls, 66pts, 18:14, B qoc, +1.6xgfrel
2. D M.Heiskenen (19): 95gms, 14gls, 37pts, 23:27, B+ qoc, +1.8xgfrel
3. C N.Hischier (19): 69gms, 17gls, 47pts, 18:06, A qoc, +5.6xgfrel

2nd Line Calibre

None

3rd Line Calibre

4. D H.Jokiharju (19): 38gms, 0gls, 12pts, 18:59, B qoc, +3.7xgfrel
5. C N.Patrick (20): 72gms, 13gls, 31pts, 15:05, C+ qoc, +1.4xgfrel
6. W R.Thomas (19): 91gms, 10gls, 39pts, 13:05, C- qoc, +3.6xgfrel

4th Line Calibre

7. W F.Chytl (19): 75gms, 11gls, 23pts, 13:47, C+ qoc, -1.7xgfrel
8. W C.Mittlestadt (20): 77gms, 12gls, 25pts, 13:27, C- qoc, -3.2xgfrel
9. W M.Rasmussen (19): 62gms, 8gls, 18pts, 12:05, C- qoc, +0.3xgfrel
10. D J.Valimaki (20): 26gms, 1gls, 4pts, 15:38, D+ qoc, +0.2xgfrel

Not NHL Calibre

11. W L.Andersson (20): 42gms, 2gls, 16pts, 10:43, D qoc, -4.6xgfrel


Other Interesting Small Sample Peformances

D C.Makar (20): 10gms, 1gls, 6pts, 17:22, B+ qoc, +0.5xgfrel
W M.Comtois (19): 10gms, 2gls, 7pts, 14:35, B- qoc, -1.7xgfrel
W D.Batherson (20): 20gms, 3gls, 9pts, 13:25, D+ qoc, +2.7xgfrel


Liljegren would probably have been better than most of these guys last year, and younger too. Don't be surprised if he's better than most of them next year too.
 
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this guy is kind of a sad thing for me...kind of reminding me of the other swedish defensemen prospect we all were soooo hyped about and then it just fell flat for us. sad part is he is a first rounder so heres hoping im wrong and he kicks ass.
 
Leaf Rocket said:
this guy is kind of a sad thing for me...kind of reminding me of the other swedish defensemen prospect we all were soooo hyped about and then it just fell flat for us. sad part is he is a first rounder so heres hoping im wrong and he kicks ass.
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Look at the post above yours.
 
From watching this years Marlies playoffs my best guess is Lily is the Swedish version of Aki Berg. A 9 year NHL pro.

High draft pick with all the tools, not overly physical or offensive minded. Hopefully will put it all together.
Pat Quinn loved his Aki.
Will be a solid #3-4 at his peak IMO.

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The Iceman said:
From watching this years Marlies playoffs my best guess is Lily is the Swedish version of Aki Berg. A 9 year NHL pro.

High draft pick with all the tools, not overly physical or offensive minded. Hopefully will put it all together.
Pat Quinn loved his Aki.
Will be a solid #3-4 at his peak IMO.

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The Iceman said:
From watching this years Marlies playoffs my best guess is Lily is the Swedish version of Aki Berg. A 9 year NHL pro.

High draft pick with all the tools, not overly physical or offensive minded. Hopefully will put it all together.
Pat Quinn loved his Aki.
Will be a solid #3-4 at his peak IMO.

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Couldn't Berg throw his weight around /provide the odd good hit?
 
All the same evaluations being rolled out that have beennrolled out 2 years ago. He is a different player by his own choice and coaches assisistance in the Ahl.

He's much better now. I want to just leave it at that on him. He has a chance to make the team out of camp because he is now mentally prepared to and is a better puck mover and skater than the competition he will have in camp.

He and Sandin could quite possibly make the team out of camp. If that just so happens to become a reality, we are a suddenly very very deep puck moving,transitioning, possession and fluid team that will be seeing the scoring threat that is the forward group bearing fruit on the defense.

Formidable contender if it shapes up that way this season!!!
 
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Monsieur Gustave H said:
0% chance I'd go 8 years, slim chance I'd go 7. 7.5-8 over 6 is tenable. Keep in mind Rielly, Dermott & Liljegren will need expansion draft protection. Do we keep Barrie and go 8:1? Keep Barrie and leave Liljegren/Dermott unprotected? Make a deal with Seattle? Or, perhaps maintain fluid RHD for the next two seasons and let Barrie walk.
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You're incorrect on Liljegren.
 
zeke said:
Pulock had 3 pro years at age 20+ by that draft, Liljegren will only have 2.

They use Dec.31 as the cutoff date for age. You might be getting pulock'z age wrong if youre looking at a site that uses the draft age cutoff.
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The difference is that the NHL doesn't count U-20 seasons in the AHL in their pro-calculation towards waivers or the expansion draft. This is primarily because it would be unfair to teams who use the AHL to develop players rather than leave them in college or in Europe (and CHL players can't play there). Pulock didn't play in the AHL until he was 20, so, every year there counted towards losing waiver eligibility. In Liljegren's case, he still has 3 more seasons where he can be sent down unless he plays over the 160 game threshold.

The example to look at would be Julius Honka, who entered the AHL at 19, the same year as Pulock. Pulock had to be protected, Honka didn't. Both were late Birthdays. Nylander and Fiala also avoided having to be protected due to this. Pastrnak had to be protected because he played over 9 games in the NHL (same with Drai, but the AHL doesn't apply in this case).
 
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