Injury Report: Timothy Liljegren Will Miss “Significant Time” -- December 16, 2023 Update.

[DarkKnight]

John Scott grabbed Phil Kessel off the faceoff and started feeding him punches. Reaves could have just lined up against Marchand and done the same because that's the only way you'll ever get a rat like him. Take the instigator and roughing major and even suspension and have some g-d dignity. Instead, they look like a team of p***yes right now. It's embarrassing even as a fan. Who here wants to say they wouldn't give up the point the Leafs got in that game to see this happen?

Did Dubas even put him on against Reaves, I don't recall one shift?

 

[Squiffy]

Scrum when you see your player down inmediately. Reaves fights the biggest guy on the ice his next shift, whenever that is. Rest of the team stays on Marchand's case the rest of the game.

Not complicated and what youd expect from most teams

Somebody, anybody, should have been fighting him off the draw next shift. Domi, maybe Bert would have been good answers? But literally anyone.

 

[notbias]

You dodged my comment which makes your last line even more amusing. Was "all bias" user name taken?

Anyways, I'm out, enjoy the last word.

Thank you for the last word, I appreciate it. Insightful as usual. I addressed your pointless comments. Constructing a team involves keeping and moving players based on if you think they are needed. The 4 out of 5 "my boy" had nothing to do with were mostly re-signed by him and not moved, so they were part of the team he constructed... I am glad you brought no logic to your post like usual.

 

[PromisedLand]

Let that one go, chief, he's gone.


However, and I say this as someone who was Dubas neutral and critical, there's no way Treliving is better just by showing up, The summer recruitment is looking like a mess.

1 yr deals to start with;
Marner hasn't lived up to his contract thus far this season; Mathews after 2 hot games to being with back2back hattricks hasn't done much

Klingberg has been a good add on the backend producing offense from backend reducing burden on Rielly.

Domi hasn't been too bad IMO

Bert needs to do his thing and he will eventually

Reaves needs to do more and it is to be seen

That Tavares contract is screwing a lot of how team can be balanced and next season it will be a bigger problem. You cannot step back without taking into account that contract when it comes to team building and team balance.

Tre is not even 6 months into the job you gotta give GM some time here

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

He fed him 0 punches, and that was 10 years ago... Martin did it to someone 5 years ago too.

It rarely ever happens.

And in both instances, it amounted to absolutely nothing, the player who got jumped too no damage.

I just think if Reaves jumps him, he turtles, we get a bunch of penalties and Marchand laughs.. not sure that is a win.

"And in both instances, it amounted to absolutely nothing, the player who got jumped too no damage."

Then do some damage.

 

[notbias]

Somebody, anybody, should have been fighting him off the draw next shift. Domi, maybe Bert would have been good answers? But literally anyone.

Not sure if people understand that fighting needs two combatants. What you're advocating for is jumping someone who will turtle, I am not seeing the payoff.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Did Dubas even put him on against Reaves, I don't recall one shift?

Sorry, not following.

 

[notbias]

1 yr deals to start with;
Marner hasn't lived up to his contract thus far this season; Mathews after 2 hot games to being with back2back hattricks hasn't done much

Klingberg has been a good add on the backend producing offense from backend reducing burden on Rielly.

Domi hasn't been too bad IMO

Bert needs to do his thing and he will eventually

Reaves needs to do more and it is to be seen

That Tavares contract is screwing a lot of how team can be balanced and next season it will be a bigger problem. You cannot step back without taking into account that contract when it comes to team building and team balance.

Tre is not even 6 months into the job you gotta give GM some time here

I am going to reference this post anytime you evaluate hockey...

Klingberg has been trash, Domi has been trash, Bertuzzi has been trash, Reaves has been ECHL level trash, Treliving's best signing was re-signing Holmberg.

There is still time and some hope that some players will rebound, but you trying to cover for the terrible play just shows you either don't know how to evaluate hockey or you just hate the former GM so much you can't admit the new GM sucks

 

[kevsh]

I saw a tweet earlier today that I didn't save that showed TB's response when an opposing player was pushed into Vas. Instantly he was jumped by all 5 Lightning players on the ice.

They didn't wait for the replay, or for the player to explain to them he was pushed, they just dummied him. Or just go back to Nick Foligno telling Perry he had to answer for kneeing Tavares in the head. Clearly it was not intentional, Nick even likely agreed. That's not the point: Injure our guy you've got to answer for it.

It's almost like the entire team needs to take a course on Hockey Culture 101. Bring in a few guest speakers if needed, but someone has to tell this Leafs team how to respond in situations like that:

Find out who did it, jump him. If unsure who did it, jump the closest guy that isn't wearing your jersey or the zebra stripes.

 

[Gallagbi]

To jump players? No one is fighting Reaves, maybe if Lucic was there. Reaves fights on average like 4 times a year, there is a reason for that.

I think there should have been a response, target Marchand maybe, take runs, and if you see the replay in the locker room, maybe a little further.

I just don't understand how people can watch hockey games and then think somehow Reaves is going to get payback.

I would have liked a response, but how people are talking about it and the response they wanted is insane.

Its alright if Reaves cant find a fight with Frederic or Carlo, but you need to make it so theyre running from it and that didnt happen.

At the end of the day its a piss poor response

 

[Squiffy]

Not sure if people understand that fighting needs two combatants. What you're advocating for is jumping someone who will turtle, I am not seeing the payoff.

Yes, I am lol.. and screw the fine, suspension, and penalty kill that may or may not result. Absolutely screw it.

 

[Stephen]

Did Dubas even put him on against Reaves, I don't recall one shift?

Reaves was on the ice early in the second period. He grabbed the puck on the LW wall, attempted a weak shot from distance and went to the net where he did minimal pushing and went back to the bench, with a tired hesitating look on his face. There was emotion or desire to engage any Bruin.

He's better off just retiring and working on his media stuff at this point.

 

[DarkKnight]

1 yr deals to start with;
Marner hasn't lived up to his contract thus far this season; Mathews after 2 hot games to being with back2back hattricks hasn't done much

Klingberg has been a good add on the backend producing offense from backend reducing burden on Rielly.

Domi hasn't been too bad IMO

Bert needs to do his thing and he will eventually

Reaves needs to do more and it is to be seen

That Tavares contract is screwing a lot of how team can be balanced and next season it will be a bigger problem. You cannot step back without taking into account that contract when it comes to team building and team balance.

Tre is not even 6 months into the job you gotta give GM some time here

It's a fools game to judge the GM signings this early. I honestly ain't one bit concerned about Bert or Domi, they're known quantities trying to find a rhythm on a stack forward group, get back to me in Feb. Reaves was always a minor move(that apparently lives in people's head here rent free lol)and Klingberg is as advertised. Dubas left a mess, Tre is still an open question.

Reaves was on the ice early in the second period. He grabbed the puck on the LW wall, attempted a weak shot from distance and went to the net where he did minimal pushing and went back to the bench, with a tired hesitating look on his face. There was emotion or desire to engage any Bruin.

He's better off just retiring and working on his media stuff at this point.

So he was on with Marchand? I didn't see it.

 

[notbias]

Its alright if Reaves cant find a fight with Frederic or Carlo, but you need to make it so theyre running from it and that didnt happen.

At the end of the day its a piss poor response

I agree with it being a bad response, no argument there... I don't necessarily blame them initially because it looked like it could have been innocent from their vantage point I am sure, but there should be some word that it wasn't an innocent play at some point.

I am disappointed there was no pushback at all, but I also don't understand people thinking that you can just grab Marchand and get any kind of payback that way.

I'll be far more disappointed if there isn't pushback next game, I am hoping that the criticism has got to them a little.

 

[DarkKnight]

Sorry, not following.

Sorry meant Keefe lol.

 

[Stephen]

Its alright if Reaves cant find a fight with Frederic or Carlo, but you need to make it so theyre running from it and that didnt happen.

At the end of the day its a piss poor response

Reaves could have done anything to any Bruin player like when he trucked that Wild guy with an open ice hit. Let Boston decide if they want a response.

He didn't have to go Marchand hunting, but he also could have... Marchand is so greasy he doesn't get the benefit of respect.

I have no respect for Reaves as a player and the concept doesn't even make sense to have a hesitating goon with his mind on other stuff.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Sorry meant Keefe lol.

LOL, I thought I was losing it even more than I really am losing it.

 

[notbias]

Yes, I am lol.. and screw the fine, suspension, and penalty kill that may or may not result. Absolutely screw it.

When has jumping a player ever resulted in adequate payback? I don't think it is the right response... I'd rather they give some good crosscheck to the ribs in from the net or on the boards or target him every time he gets the puck.

Marchand will just turtle if jumped and the fanbase will want more.

I agree with a response but disagree with most people's suggestion for the response, make his life hell every time he is near a Leaf, that is the appropriate response.

 

[Stephen]

So he was on with Marchand? I didn't see it.

I don't know if he was on the ice with Marchand, but it's immaterial.

How does a Rielly on Point hit in the corner result in Stamkos feeding Matthews his lunch? Doesn't matter, Reaves could have engaged any Bruin, anywhere.

 

[DarkKnight]

I saw a tweet earlier today that I didn't save that showed TB's response when an opposing player was pushed into Vas. Instantly he was jumped by all 5 Lightning players on the ice.

They didn't wait for the replay, or for the player to explain to them he was pushed, they just dummied him. Or just go back to Nick Foligno telling Perry he had to answer for kneeing Tavares in the head. Clearly it was not intentional, Nick even likely agreed. That's not the point: Injure our guy you've got to answer for it.

It's almost like the entire team needs to take a course on Hockey Culture 101. Bring in a few guest speakers if needed, but someone has to tell this Leafs team how to respond in situations like that:

Find out who did it, jump him. If unsure who did it, jump the closest guy that isn't wearing your jersey or the zebra stripes.

This is why we should have kept a Schenn. He can still play and being a D man he can exact payback when it suits and he would have. But, the broader question, this team seems to have a wimp identity. Look at earlier this year, there was a feistiness when something would happen, but it's already waned with the new guys, they're been p***yfied it seems.

LOL, I thought I was losing it even more than I really am losing it.

I'm losing it lol, thanks for pointing out.

 

[andora]

Yes, I am lol.. and screw the fine, suspension, and penalty kill that may or may not result. Absolutely screw it.

yep
fines get paid
suspensions run out
penalties expire

the note that 'they will react' lasts

I agree with it being a bad response, no argument there... I don't necessarily blame them initially because it looked like it could have been innocent from their vantage point I am sure, but there should be some word that it wasn't an innocent play at some point.

I am disappointed there was no pushback at all, but I also don't understand people thinking that you can just grab Marchand and get any kind of payback that way.

I'll be far more disappointed if there isn't pushback next game, I am hoping that the criticism has got to them a little.

it is about putting the other team on notice that if something happens, we will react. i think you're looking at this like more punches move the slider closer to 100% payback achieved. payback doesn't = 10 punches to the face

 

[notbias]

I saw a tweet earlier today that I didn't save that showed TB's response when an opposing player was pushed into Vas. Instantly he was jumped by all 5 Lightning players on the ice.

They didn't wait for the replay, or for the player to explain to them he was pushed, they just dummied him. Or just go back to Nick Foligno telling Perry he had to answer for kneeing Tavares in the head. Clearly it was not intentional, Nick even likely agreed. That's not the point: Injure our guy you've got to answer for it.

It's almost like the entire team needs to take a course on Hockey Culture 101. Bring in a few guest speakers if needed, but someone has to tell this Leafs team how to respond in situations like that:

Find out who did it, jump him. If unsure who did it, jump the closest guy that isn't wearing your jersey or the zebra stripes.

Tampa picks and chooses who they respond to. Marchand is a star, so use a star player making the play.

Matthews injured Sergachev, no response. They chose how to deal with a star which was not to deal with him.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

He fed him 0 punches, and that was 10 years ago... Martin did it to someone 5 years ago too.

It rarely ever happens.

And in both instances, it amounted to absolutely nothing, the player who got jumped took no damage.

I just think if Reaves jumps him, he turtles, we get a bunch of penalties and Marchand laughs.. not sure that is a win.

BTW, you're right, he didn't land any punches on Kessel and if anyone's interested, this was a really enjoyable quick video of Scott explaining what happened I just found (looking to prove you wrong but again, you were right).




Edit: Weird that this was flagged as "age restricted". There's no inappropriate content at all, just some lighthearted banter. You can still click the YouTube link though. I actually like John Scott after watching this and the explanation.

 

[notbias]

it is about putting the other team on notice that if something happens, we will react. i think you're looking at this like more punches move the slider closer to 100% payback achieved. payback doesn't = 10 punches to the face

I guess I think differently, I think it is an idiotic reaction to do that. If I was Marchand and Bruins and Reaves jumped him, I'd be happy... nothing happened and it is probably a 2+10.

It hurts the Leafs more than the Bruins and it doesn't scare anyone.

 

[Stephen]

When has jumping a player ever resulted in adequate payback? I don't think it is the right response... I'd rather they give some good crosscheck to the ribs in from the net or on the boards or target him every time he gets the puck.

Marchand will just turtle if jumped and the fanbase will want more.

I agree with a response but disagree with most people's suggestion for the response, make his life hell every time he is near a Leaf, that is the appropriate response.

The correct response is measured in emotional volume by the team, not a specific checklist of punching, scrumming, cross checking, fighting where, when, how and whom. It's only supposed to express that you care about each other and that can't happen without hell to pay, to discourage it from happening again.

The Leafs measure F's across the board.