Value of: Timothy Liljegren to the Leafs

[Menzinger]

What happens if Nylander gets 60+ points this season?

Yep. There's a very real possibility that Nylander ends up the best asset in this deal.

 

[Stephen]

Just chill. By this time next year, Nylander could be established as an exciting young star in the NHL following a sterling rookie season while Timothy Liljegren could be next year's Jakob Chychrun, so the Leafs could conceivably have him lower in the draft.

 

[gamer1035]

Leafs are #1 contenders for first overall. We are getting him.

 

[Warden of the North]

I've been saying for awhile that they will likely tank for him.

I dont know if thats possible. A lot had to go "right", and by that I mean players playing awful, mainly the goalies, for the Leafs to finish last.

Matthews, Nylander, Brown, Soshnikov, and Carrick are all better players already then the vets they replaced.

Our goalies wont be that bad again. No chance.

 

[Hoverhand]

I would not give up premium assets to move up to Liljegren when its a high possibility the Leafs will land Callan Foote.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I've been saying for awhile that they will likely tank for him.

No they won't , if they were they don't completely rehaul the goaltending but beyond that if they did get the top pick why would you not take Patrick?

Teams that win for the most part are elite down the middle be it.

Crosby Malkin Staal then last year Crosby and Malkin

Kopitar Carter Richards

Yzerman Fedirov

Sackic Forsberg Drury

Madano Newendyke

Bergeron and Krejci

Then you have Chicago and the exception to the rule since they have Towes and not much else down the middle.

But when you look at it as a whole you win with depth down the middle, you take Patrick and you roll with

Mathews
Patrick

You make centre ice as strong as possible

 

[Alexander Edler]

Canucks4Liljgren

 

[McSuper]

Liljegren will drop to wherever Detroit is drafting. Exactly like Chychrun.

Guy sucks. Inside tip from me, go tell your favorite teams' GMs.

If the Oilers don't make the playoffs this year they will probably take him . He would complete our D

Future D

Klefbom Liljegren
Nurse Larsson
Davidson Sekera
Bear

 

[McDavidbowie]

Leafs are #1 contenders for first overall. We are getting him.

Never count out the Oilers.

Draft Liljegren, trade RNH for Brodin.

Klefbom-Larsson
Brodin-Liljegren

A beautiful Swedish top 4.

 

[icebluuu]

Never count out the Oilers.

Draft Liljegren, trade RNH for Brodin.

Klefbom-Larsson
Brodin-Liljegren

A beautiful Swedish top 4.

Damn, that is beautiful. Unfortunately for my grades, that would make me have to stay up to watch the Oilers all night.

 

[Lampedampe]

It's so funny how almost every single leafs fan on this forum are asuming that you guys won't finish in the bottom 5.. This thread is pointless and why are you asuming that you will end up with a 5-10 pick? Like sure it might very well end up happening but you're taking it as granted.

And trading Nylander will most likely open up a new hole.

 

[Sundinisagod]

It's so funny how almost every single leafs fan on this forum are asuming that you guys won't finish in the bottom 5.. This thread is pointless and why are you asuming that you will end up with a 5-10 pick? Like sure it might very well end up happening but you're taking it as granted.

And trading Nylander will most likely open up a new hole.

Adding a decent goalie will give us a few points at least.

Matthews will probably be our top forward before the season is over. Nylander showed he can produce at the NHL level. We'll see about Marner.

Zaitsev may be able to play a top 4 role.

Last year, a lot went right in the tank, including missing some of our best players down the stretch ie JVR, Komarov, Kadri.

Can't imagine these additions don't bring us about 5-10 points more than last season.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Clearly Liljegren is the missing piece to the Leafs rebuild being a dynamic RHD.

So if the Leafs are picking 5-10 is there a package that is possible to move up to get him?

Nyander + 5-10 OA pick + 2nd as a base?

Easy pass. Rather just pick a guy like Foote or Hague in the 5-10 range.

 

[Lampedampe]

Adding a decent goalie will give us a few points at least.

Matthews will probably be our top forward before the season is over. Nylander showed he can produce at the NHL level. We'll see about Marner.

Zaitsev may be able to play a top 4 role.

Last year, a lot went right in the tank, including missing some of our best players down the stretch ie JVR, Komarov, Kadri.

Can't imagine these additions don't bring us about 5-10 points more than last season.

Oh yeah for sure, but which other team in the bottom 5 did not improve? Sure you could make an argument about Canucks getting worse, but personally i doubt it.

Edmonton made strides very similar to the leafs plus their line-up have much more proven potential.

Columbus can't be much worse than what they were last season, their defense looks to be much better than the leafs, their goaltending tandem looks really good brobrovski had a down year last season, offensivly they have much more proven talent once again.

Calgary also improved, actually got a decent goaltender, their defense is miles ahead of th leafs, offensivly they'e also miles ahead.

Winnipeg got much better on paper aswell

Arizona made clear improvements

Buffalo also made improvements

THe list can go on and on, Leafs weren't the only team that got better this offseason, and a lot of the so called improvements are unproven players. Just give it time leaf fans, the gap between all these teams will close really fast you have a great young team coming up, but it just grinds my gear whenever i see leafs fans are dead sure they won't be in the bottom-5 next season. You only had ONE player hit 20 goals last season, and now you think that will change all of the sudden? All of the sudden these great prospects will come in and save the leafs, yeah because that has always been a recipe for success, works out for every time. I mean i feel bad the poor kids that are gonna come in and get booed by fans that were expecting so much from them.

Like i said, i think the leafs will climb the ladders really quick and that the rebuild will be much faster and smoother than for most teams. But just give it 1 or 2 more year please, every time i come on these forums i see remarks of leafs fans claiming their team to be so good now after that Matthews pick. Like i've seen leafs fans say that the leafs will easily pass Detroit and ottawa this coming season.

 

[MacerV]

Big difference between talking about a 1/2 OA prospect and 5/6, hence the original proposal. Liljegren isn't failing, the draft falls off after him and Patrick

Chychrun was in the conversation of 2-4 at the start of the year and he fell pretty damn hard.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

No need to trade anything. Bring up tank machine Garrett Sparks and just roll with Andersen's preseason injury.

 

[tony d]

Liljegren's going to be a good 1, just don't know if I'd give up that much for him in the oft chance he's a bust.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Oh yeah for sure, but which other team in the bottom 5 did not improve? Sure you could make an argument about Canucks getting worse, but personally i doubt it.

Edmonton made strides very similar to the leafs plus their line-up have much more proven potential.

Columbus can't be much worse than what they were last season, their defense looks to be much better than the leafs, their goaltending tandem looks really good brobrovski had a down year last season, offensivly they have much more proven talent once again.

Calgary also improved, actually got a decent goaltender, their defense is miles ahead of th leafs, offensivly they'e also miles ahead.

Winnipeg got much better on paper aswell

Arizona made clear improvements

Buffalo also made improvements

THe list can go on and on, Leafs weren't the only team that got better this offseason, and a lot of the so called improvements are unproven players. Just give it time leaf fans, the gap between all these teams will close really fast you have a great young team coming up, but it just grinds my gear whenever i see leafs fans are dead sure they won't be in the bottom-5 next season. You only had ONE player hit 20 goals last season, and now you think that will change all of the sudden? All of the sudden these great prospects will come in and save the leafs, yeah because that has always been a recipe for success, works out for every time. I mean i feel bad the poor kids that are gonna come in and get booed by fans that were expecting so much from them.

Like i said, i think the leafs will climb the ladders really quick and that the rebuild will be much faster and smoother than for most teams. But just give it 1 or 2 more year please, every time i come on these forums i see remarks of leafs fans claiming their team to be so good now after that Matthews pick. Like i've seen leafs fans say that the leafs will easily pass Detroit and ottawa this coming season.

Last year we actually were full on tanking. I don't think we're doing that this year. Going from last to bottom 5-10 is a pretty reasonable projection imho. It's not that big of a step really. Buffalo went from last to 8th last. I expect a Babcock team to show at least some improvement in the standings, considering where we're currently at.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Nah. There isn't a mcdavid/eichel/matthews level prospect to tank hard for in this draft. Patrick/Lilijegren seem like really good prospects, but they aren't on that level. More of the RNH level.

 

[Lampedampe]

Last year we actually were full on tanking. I don't think we're doing that this year. Going from last to bottom 5-10 is a pretty reasonable projection imho. It's not that big of a step really. Buffalo went from last to 8th last. I expect a Babcock team to show at least some improvement in the standings, considering where we're currently at.

Sure you might improve, but it's far from written in stone. And as for Buffalo, well they had two top-3 picks in a row and before last year they aquired o'reilly. I expect the Leafs to make the step Buffalo did in 17/18 season.

But hey i might very well be wrong, i won't say i know for sure where the leafs are gonna end up. But i find it silly that so many leafs fans just asume that the leafs won't be in the bottom-5

 

[BruinLVGA]

Clearly Liljegren is the missing piece to the Leafs rebuild being a dynamic RHD.

So if the Leafs are picking 5-10 is there a package that is possible to move up to get him?

Nyander + 5-10 OA pick + 2nd as a base?

Just play like you know and he will be yours for free.

 

[LondonKendrick]

How quickly people forget

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/j...6-nhl-draft-s-top-10-prospects-194547004.html

https://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-nhl-draft-rankings-hockeyprospect-com-september-top-50/

http://www.tsn.ca/auston-matthews-is-just-that-good-1.358947

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/feature-story/youngblood-preliminary-2016-nhl-draft-rankings-2/

http://thehockeywriters.com/2016-nhl-draft-rankings-war-room-preliminary-top-60/

#2, #2, #3, #2, #2

and that was just a quick google of the rankings setting the search parameters from last July to last September

No. You're not remembering it correctly, at all.

A year ago, the draft was seen as Matthews/Chychrun/Puljujarvi -- Laine wasn't seen as a top 5 pick. I'm not saying Liljegren won't be a top pick, but the way you're speaking in absolutes a full season before the draft is crazy talk.

What happens if Nylander gets 60+ points this season?

No they won't , if they were they don't completely rehaul the goaltending but beyond that if they did get the top pick why would you not take Patrick?

Teams that win for the most part are elite down the middle be it.

Crosby Malkin Staal then last year Crosby and Malkin

Kopitar Carter Richards

Yzerman Fedirov

Sackic Forsberg Drury

Madano Newendyke

Bergeron and Krejci

Then you have Chicago and the exception to the rule since they have Towes and not much else down the middle.

But when you look at it as a whole you win with depth down the middle, you take Patrick and you roll with

Mathews
Patrick

You make centre ice as strong as possible

Pens Letang..

LA Doughty... and lol at Richards that was dead weight

AVs Bourque...

Dallas Zubov's prime

Detroit uh, Lidstrom was the constant for every cup win...

Boston Chara...

You win with 1C, 1D and 1 Goaltender

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Pens Letang..

LA Doughty... and lol at Richards that was dead weight

AVs Bourque...

Dallas Zubov's prime

Boston Chara...

You win with 1C, 1D and 1 Goaltender

The last 3 guys on your list were gotten via

Trade
Trade
UFA

In fact only doughty and Letang were drafted and only Doughty was a high pick.

All that being I believe we have those 3 areas covered.

#1 C Mathews and Possibly Nylander although he could end up as a winger.

#1 G Andersen

#1 D Reilly is well on his way he does however need a partner

 

[Ivan13]

Chychrun was never called a Doughty/Karlsson hybrid, he's not a RHD and again, he was slotted after the elite drop off of Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi, he was never in the discussion of the draft's top tier, it's rare we see player fall from that elite tier.

Except he was.

 

[93LEAFS]

This thread is like 9 months too early. Lets see how Nylander does, whether Liljegren's stock holds and how the lottery plays out. This trade has so many pieces which value could so drastically change by April of 2017 there is no point in discussing it.