Tribute Timothy Liljegren part 2

[Stephen]

Inability to play at that speed is what I saw from both Sandin and Lilly. They aren’t strong enough or fast enough to play their positions at an elite level. Maybe next year but right now they shouldn’t be on the ice against top lines.

I think what makes Sandin a unique upside guy is the same thing that makes him a train wreck at times. He has high IQ and composure to take an extra beat in a dangerous area before doing anything with the puck. When it works, it buys the outlet guy a little more room before relieving pressure. But he also has lead feet and a nothing physique so when he's trapped in an area, he doesn't have the mobility to escape and doesn't have the body to take the hit and still hold the puck.

 

[saltming]

There is all sorts of mistakes on this goal, from 4 different players. Liljegren played it poorly, but his mistake isn't the biggest. Sandin could have easily helped Lily out here by poking the puck into the corner. Mrazek, what the hell was he doing? He's off the angle, and drops to a blocking save, then tries to make a reactionary save after the fact. But this isn't even the biggest flub. The biggest screw up on this play happened in the Islanders zone. WHAT THE F*** WAS MITCH MARNER DOING? Scott Mayfield got the puck in the corner, Marner is coming at him, he's the closest player, and also the deepest playing in the zone, and he backs off. He curls away, instead of attacking a vulnerable player who is fighting with a bouncing puck. Bunting came from behind Marner in the centre of the ice to attack him, but he was able to flip the puck out before he got there. Marner should carry the bulk of the blame here.

I agree that there is lots of blame to share, as is usually the case when the other team scores.
I was referring to your statement that lily made, "brutal mistake to assume that puck was not going to be picked off at all" and posted the video that showed it was a 50/50 puck he made a play for and lost. Then he still managed to keep his body on Parise to prevent a clean break.
Should he have tried to get that puck? In hindsight no, but on the ice he made a split second call. If he won that puck play is dead and turned back the other way. If he leaves it for Parise, the isles have possession in our zone at the least.
What's the right play to make? And how do you decide that in a fraction of a second?

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Matthews and Marner could have both committed to more of the back pressure seeing the Islander Mayfield in a position to make an outlet pass. Bunting was just doing a flyby and didn't look like he was in any real position to force a real turnover for Matthews or Marner to go back on the attack.

Liljegren got burned on the cross over but Sandin was pretty non committal on deciding to close on the guy up in the play with Parise, gave up on doing anything, conceded his side of his ice to settle into a good position to watch the puck go in.

There was no reason for Marner to be applying back pressure. He was the deepest player in the Islanders zone when Mayfield picked up the puck. He should have attacked the puck, trying to steal it, force the pass up the boards, which he still could have picked off, or force a reverse behind the net. Bunting doing the fly-by was him coming from the centre of the ice to force Mayfield, like Marner should have done.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

I agree that there is lots of blame to share, as is usually the case when the other team scores.
I was referring to your statement that lily made, "brutal mistake to assume that puck was not going to be picked off at all" and posted the video that showed it was a 50/50 puck he made a play for and lost. Then he still managed to keep his body on Parise to prevent a clean break.
Should he have tried to get that puck? In hindsight no, but on the ice he made a split second call. If he won that puck play is dead and turned back the other way. If he leaves it for Parise, the isles have possession in our zone at the least.
What's the right play to make? And how do you decide that in a fraction of a second?

It wasn't my statement, and I'm not even really sure why I chose to quote you, maybe because you had the video, but my comment was more to everyone and didn't really have anything to do with yours.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

no it’s not a tough play. I get he’s young but it’s not that tough of a play. It was a bad one that cost a goal. It’s okay to admit that. You have to be aggressive and separate man from puck in that situation, not freeze up like a deer in headlights wacking your stick around lol.

If you actually watch the replay closely, you can see he would have easily swatted the puck away, but a veteran like Parise got his stick between Liljegren's and the puck to protect it. Yes Lily made a mistake, but Marner's mistake in the offensive zone is a much bigger reason why this goal happened.

 

[saltming]

It wasn't my statement, and I'm not even really sure why I chose to quote you, maybe because you had the video, but my comment was more to everyone and didn't really have anything to do with yours.

Sorry I thought you were the poster I quoted

 

[Stephen]

There was no reason for Marner to be applying back pressure. He was the deepest player in the Islanders zone when Mayfield picked up the puck. He should have attacked the puck, trying to steal it, force the pass up the boards, which he still could have picked off, or force a reverse behind the net. Bunting doing the fly-by was him coming from the centre of the ice to force Mayfield, like Marner should have done.

Normally, a winger in Marner's situation could have just hit Mayfield coming out of the corner but they did the switch off and Bunting went after it. In hindsight it didn't look like Bunting was going to be in any sort of position to create a turnover, so Marner could have just started backing tracking towards the Leaf zone to support. Bellows (20) was also the trailing man getting lost behind Matthews, so if a shot/rebound situation had happened, Marner could have picked up Bellows and done a bit of clean up there.

 

[FiveHoleo]

You should really not post in this thread at all your comments are so inaccurate I seriously doubt you even watch the kid play

Was it not Zach Parise that scored? Was Liljegren not the guy who let him walk to the net unmolested? If I'm wrong I do apologize. Which defenceman was it? Whoever it was, that was some weak sauce defence. The guy barely swung his stick at the puck on the way by.

 

[13pacheco31]

Was it not Zach Parise that scored? Was Liljegren not the guy who let him walk to the net unmolested? If I'm wrong I do apologize. Which defenceman was it? Whoever it was, that was some weak sauce defence. The guy barely swung his stick at the puck on the way by.

This one play in one game is really getting over analyzed. Defencemen get walked all the time, it happens. Shit happens. Get over it

 

[Nylanderthal]

This one play in one game is really getting over analyzed. Defencemen get walked all the time, it happens. Shit happens. Get over it

A veteran player with nearly 400 goals beat a rookie with 35 games under his belt… Color me shocked.

 

[13pacheco31]

A veteran player with nearly 400 goals beat a rookie with 35 games under his belt… Color me shocked.

Only in leafs land is the sky falling cause a rookie dman made a mistake and got burned

 

[LeafSteel]

Only in leafs land is the sky falling cause a rookie dman made a mistake and got burned

It isn’t actually Leafland, it’s one specific poster who seems to think a specific players lack of perfection is a fatal flaw and renders said player to have no value.

Really is a one-dimensional conversation.

Liljegren is a player that will have value for the Leafs long-term.

Couldn’t care less about the nit picking and trolling.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Was it not Zach Parise that scored? Was Liljegren not the guy who let him walk to the net unmolested? If I'm wrong I do apologize. Which defenceman was it? Whoever it was, that was some weak sauce defence. The guy barely swung his stick at the puck on the way by.

How about you talk about the weak sauce forecheck, that Marner didn't even do, that allowed Mayfield to make the pass in the first place? Mayfield picked up the puck in the Islanders corner, Marner is a stride and a half away from him, and instead of forcing him in the corner he decides to skate backwards when he's the F1 on the play. You can talk about the terrible goaltending from Mrazek that allowed that piss poor shot past him, simply because he was out of position and made a poor save selection. How about Sandin who was right beside them, who could have wacked at the puck, or Parise's stick to send the puck into the corner. And his "barely swung" stick was actually defended away by Parise. Parise blocked Lily's stick with his own, then proceeded to take his shot.

 

[Kiwi]

I agree that there is lots of blame to share, as is usually the case when the other team scores.
I was referring to your statement that lily made, "brutal mistake to assume that puck was not going to be picked off at all" and posted the video that showed it was a 50/50 puck he made a play for and lost. Then he still managed to keep his body on Parise to prevent a clean break.
Should he have tried to get that puck? In hindsight no, but on the ice he made a split second call. If he won that puck play is dead and turned back the other way. If he leaves it for Parise, the isles have possession in our zone at the least.
What's the right play to make? And how do you decide that in a fraction of a second?

When in doubt, take the man

If you stand Parise up and separate him from the puck you nullify the threat and Sandin comes away with it

It's just one mistake though, I thought he was pretty good considering the position he and Sandin have been placed in

Was it not Zach Parise that scored? Was Liljegren not the guy who let him walk to the net unmolested? If I'm wrong I do apologize. Which defenceman was it? Whoever it was, that was some weak sauce defence. The guy barely swung his stick at the puck on the way by.

You shouldn't use words you don't understand

Liljegren was all over Parise as he shot the puck, it was a good play to hold Liljegren off and get the puck off simultaneously

If a guy is leaning all over you and getting his stick involved you aren't "walking to the net unmolested"

Your welcome

 

[justloveleafs]

My god so many selfish people here not caring bout other peoples vision..

Thick wordy paragrapsh of crap...

Three sentences, we are on phones, small devices cabrones...

What are you guys, like seventy five years old, we ain't writing books here, we ae making quick points...

Liljegren is going to very good, he has a pair, he doesn't back down, all the swedes on the team love the guy, and he makes some really nice plays, and he is very, very young..

The leaf dbase cannot write for this current century all that well, not understanding eyesight, small devices all tha well..


Liljegren has some interesting talents both sides of the puck...

Really disgusts me reading most of what is written about hm..

 

[TheGoldenJet]

He has proven to be biased against Liljegren. It's too bad his stance of Biega will make the team over Liljegren didn't come true.

LOL.

He’s got you there FiveHoleo.

 

[saltming]

When in doubt, take the man

If you stand Parise up and separate him from the puck you nullify the threat and Sandin comes away with it

It's just one mistake though, I thought he was pretty good considering the position he and Sandin have been placed in



You shouldn't use words you don't understand

Liljegren was all over Parise as he shot the puck, it was a good play to hold Liljegren off and get the puck off simultaneously

If a guy is leaning all over you and getting his stick involved you aren't "walking to the net unmolested"

Your welcome

Agreed about taking the man but the gap was too big when the puck arrived.
It was a tough play. He gambled and lost, but as you said he still managed to fluster Parise all the was. It was some great skating shown by lily

 

[Judas Tavares]

Young players making mistakes is how they get experience. We want these players to have experience. This is exactly how they will get it.

 

[Griffin76]

Only in leafs land is the sky falling cause a rookie dman made a mistake and got burned

It's because Beavis and Butthead have been sitting back quietly on the Liljegren front, waiting for the "see i told you so" moment. And this is all they have at this point.

 

[Kiwi]

Agreed about taking the man but the gap was too big when the puck arrived.
It was a tough play. He gambled and lost, but as you said he still managed to fluster Parise all the was. It was some great skating shown by lily

He definitely had a chance to stand Parise up as the play developed, it definitely wasn't as easy as it's being made out though

I liked how it didn't rattle him or effect how he played the rest of the game

He put it away and played far better than the game before, great maturity displayed in a youngster with limited experience

 

[francis246]

How about you talk about the weak sauce forecheck, that Marner didn't even do, that allowed Mayfield to make the pass in the first place? Mayfield picked up the puck in the Islanders corner, Marner is a stride and a half away from him, and instead of forcing him in the corner he decides to skate backwards when he's the F1 on the play. You can talk about the terrible goaltending from Mrazek that allowed that piss poor shot past him, simply because he was out of position and made a poor save selection. How about Sandin who was right beside them, who could have wacked at the puck, or Parise's stick to send the puck into the corner. And his "barely swung" stick was actually defended away by Parise. Parise blocked Lily's stick with his own, then proceeded to take his shot.

the fact that you're blaming Marner is a complete joke

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Only in leafs land is the sky falling cause a rookie dman made a mistake and got burned

So so true .. here here .. it is one thing that really drives me crazy about fans picking on a rook D learning da ropes

 

[ULF_55]

I expect to see more mistakes, heck it isn't like Rielly is mistake free.

The best time to make mistakes is in pre-season, 2nd. best is regular season.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

the fact that you're blaming Marner is a complete joke

How isn't Marner atleast partly responsible for this goal? He was in a position in the offensive end to steal the puck but he backed off. His other linemates were in better defensive positions than he was when he started to back off. He's the F1, he needs to pressure the corner.