Tribute Timothy Liljegren Discussion Thread
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Racer88
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I mean, the defense is also deeper with a better top 4 than we've had in a long time. His minutes get shaved because you have a 2nd pair that can be deployed like a top pair.
Dermott has progressed slowly but steadily. He's physically stronger and a noticeably better skater than when he debuted, he's an everyday PKer and he's carried partners for years. The only area of his game that has stalled is his offense, because he's been given zero opportunity on the PP and used primarily in a defensive role 5on5 (compared to Sandin who is handed PP minutes immediately). The fact they haven't even experimented with him on PP2 during injuries to Rielly/Muzzin is ridiculous. Now you have a guy with low confidence offensively who hesitates to execute plays.
Use it or lose it and he hasn't been given leash to grow offensively since he last played for the Marlies. He's been mishandled.
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I agree that Dermott appears to have possibly more to his game, but note that he started in the Ozone 55% of the time last year, the second highest of any full time D, with the exception of Rielly.
Dermott actually gets abnormally low minutes.
None of Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, NYI had a regular D that averaged even close to as low of minutes as Dermott played. Dermott's 13:13 TOI ranks him 2-3 less minutes per game than those team's bottom pair D. You mention him being an "everyday PK'er" but he killed f*** all for penalties this last season, the most he's averaged in a season is 1:09 PK TOI, and he's not a very good PK'er either.
Lilly should be on the team based on camp.
I can see the logic of starting with dermott and moving from there. Lilly needs to get at least 50 games. This year
I can see the logic of starting with dermott and moving from there. Lilly needs to get at least 50 games. This year
Martin Skoula
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I know full well that if we move Dermott he's going to turn into another Stralman through his late 20s somewhere else, but does that really matter if he's never going to get the opportunity here? 200 games in and we have no idea if he can handle a top-4 role fulltime without getting caved in.
I almost wish Rielly had to sit out a couple months for some off-ice reason so we could see Dermott in regular top-4 LHD minutes and have Liljegren in as an everyday player.
I almost wish Rielly had to sit out a couple months for some off-ice reason so we could see Dermott in regular top-4 LHD minutes and have Liljegren in as an everyday player.
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Based on the eye test he should clearly be a full time member of the Leafs this upcoming season. I'm not sure how anyone could view this differently.
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Waivers might dictate he starts the opening night in the minors (one of him or Sandin will have to) but like others have said he needs and has earned the right to play a lot this year and to see what we have in him.
Racer88
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If he is not full time this year I’m sure it will because of cap issues
FiveHoleo
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Biega is going to have that spot and it won't be cap related. Liljegren simply hasn't stepped up and taken a job. Biega looks dependable and strong so far, 2 things Lilly has never been described as. Lilly seems like a puck moving defenceman who can't get the puck himself to move it. It's a fire drill in his own end every shift, and the production on the other side simply isn't there to justify putting up with it. This kid is waiver bait when he's eligible for it.
you sir ... have not a clue
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Guessing Muzzin was pulled after dermott was hurt so Sandin could play with Holl and Muzzin will play with Lilly tommorrow.
And dermott may not be ready to start the year.
And dermott may not be ready to start the year.
FiveHoleo
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You would say that without any compelling counter to my arguments about the player. You post the way Liljegren plays.
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This might be Keefe's other option if a d man gets hurt which is good. At least he is preparing for it.
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44 is Rielly good
I hope Dermott is okay, but this was my thought as well...
Hopefully it gives us a few extra games to see how Sandin and Liljegren look with their partners and the full NHL squad.
It's a bit weird to me that Liljegren's most common partner has been Muzzin so far (I think?), but before this injury it appeared like he would be in the AHL. Hopefully it means they like him, even though they obviously prefer Sandin at this point.
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i think this is the year he establishes himself as part of the core moving forward
. he's seasoned in the ahl. done good. had a great camp so far will get a good long look to start the season.
. he's seasoned in the ahl. done good. had a great camp so far will get a good long look to start the season.
djdev
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no need to counter somebody who is wrong other than saying "you are wrong"
and you sir, are wrong.
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Both Sandin and Liljegren have looked good.
Holl hasn't outperformed either, and Dermott doesn't look like he's progressing a great deal.
Have to have patience for all these younger players (not Holl).
Holl hasn't outperformed either, and Dermott doesn't look like he's progressing a great deal.
Have to have patience for all these younger players (not Holl).
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