GDT: Time To Clean The Litter Box. Canes vs Bolts

[Joe McGrath]

And the NHL rule is similar:

" A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner. Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner."

Jumping into the check is still illegal even if you leave your feet with the check instead of before.

There's actually a lot of dangerous play the NHL could cut down on by calling charging by the book. But like cross-checking, they appear to be looking the other way for a lot of infractions right now.

To be clear, charging has never been called that way in the history of the NHL.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

The fact that this hit is being compared to Scott Stevens lobotomizing people is kind of crazy, y’all. This one isn’t even in the same category of maliciousness and danger level.

I may have missed it, but who on earth is comparing this to a Stevens hit?

 

[Chrispy]

Jumping through a hit after contact has already been made is not charging and has never been called that way, ever. When the rulebook says "jumps into" a hit, they're talking about jumping INTO the hit, not exploding upwards out of it.

Do I wish it was called that way? Sure. I think it would be a safer league without losing much of anything, probably resulting in more entertaining hip checks rather than high hits. I also wish it gave us a major power play and we used that opportunity to win in regulation and we all woke up this morning sunshine and rainbows. But none of that is the reality. The reality is that Necas skated full-speed into a legal open ice body check and this being the NHL rather than a beer league, he was punished for it.

To be clear, my issue is that this was as contact was made and jumping with purpose of pushing contact up.

And that is illegal according to the letter of the law.

The failure to call charging according to the letter is is one reason we have a concussion issue in the NHL.

I will admit this has not been called charging as the NHL traditionally calls it; they want to see a player jumping across the ice into a player when jumping through the check is more violent and more likely to result in injury. And that's part of my problem with the NHL; failure to enforce their rules is endangering players.

With that, I concede this has not been called charging traditionally as @CanesUltimate11 points out above and I'm finished on this topic.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I may have missed it, but who on earth is comparing this to a Stevens hit?

I'm not stirring up more shit by quoting people, but read up a couple of pages.

 

[TomppaKoo]

The two hits on Necas were both fine, but I liked Jake of all people to be the guy stepping up.

They owned us in the second. Their ability to hem us in our end is embarrassing. We do it with over the top hustle and grind. The just dance around us, no grind needed....though they can.

They’re just more poised and experienced than us in the big game. That’s what that last play was to me. Pesce making a brilliant play but getting anxious/rushed the next moment and Aho not reading it till it was too late. Just looked panicked. Aho was definitely in the wrong spot.

Good game to see what it takes to win at the highest level. We answered at times but in the end were short. Still got a point. Learn and get ready for the next one.

After giving such a suicide pass to Necas he should be jumping in and taking a beating he deserved for that pass. Good job.

Very entertaining game. I wish Hakanpää will lay someone out big time tonight. Although he does seem to have some trouble keeping up with the quick Tampa players. Point pretty much skated circles around him a couple of times. On the other hand - Point skates circles around anyone most of the time.

It was a very good hockey game.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I'm not stirring up more shit by quoting people, but read up a couple of pages.

I did indeed miss that, yeesh.

 

[dogbazinho]

Well we did right? Hank is tough. He’s only one guy but you can’t mess up the chemistry more than that by adding more players. The one guy we added brings a lot of what we lack.

Yeah I like the trade for that reason alone but is he fast enough to even catch a player to hit?

 

[The Faulker 27]

Yeah I like the trade for that reason alone but is he fast enough to even catch a player to hit?

Well if he just stands in the Neutral zone like Killorn eventually someone will run into him. Like a Grizzly catching salmon.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Dougie making a few bad passes at the onset that prevented possible scoring attempts bothered me more than some of the other flubs. Had we scored early on, it could have set a different, more confident tone for the game. Scoring first was one of Tripp's keys to the game, particularly, against this opponent. Let's do that tonight.

 

[Derailed75]

the boo birds happened after Hamilton stopped caring about infractions and basically begged the refs to call someone on him. He took a run at Point and then was jamming his stick at the puck for a couple of other skaters causing trips. It was all in the last 3-4 minutes of the game. No calls = fans booing.

Well they weren't calling any of the holds against Tampa. I swear at least 5 times on the broadcast you could see them clearly holding a Canes stick, also Foegele skated about 10 feet after a face off with Goodrows stick in his crotch

 

[tarheelhockey]

Well they weren't calling any of the holds against Tampa. I swear at least 5 times on the broadcast you could see them clearly holding a Canes stick, also Foegele skated about 10 feet after a face off with Goodrows stick in his crotch

The refs know coming into a game what the caliber of the teams will be, what's at stake, whether it's likely to have a playoff type atmosphere.

It was pretty clear last night that they wanted the players to decide the game at even strength. Both teams were getting away with silly stuff that couldn't have been overlooked, but just wasn't called. That's playoff hockey, and one of the major steps forward that the Canes need to take is to start winning games like that 5v5 rather than hanging around waiting for the PPs to show up.

 

[Chrispy]

Well they weren't calling any of the holds against Tampa. I swear at least 5 times on the broadcast you could see them clearly holding a Canes stick, also Foegele skated about 10 feet after a face off with Goodrows stick in his crotch

At first, I thought Trocheck had a similar issue on the first goal. I think that was just a mutual tie-up that prevented him from using his stick in retrieving the puck for Svech's goal.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

After giving such a suicide pass to Necas he should be jumping in and taking a beating he deserved for that pass. Good job.

Very entertaining game. I wish Hakanpää will lay someone out big time tonight. Although he does seem to have some trouble keeping up with the quick Tampa players. Point pretty much skated circles around him a couple of times. On the other hand - Point skates circles around anyone most of the time.

It was a very good hockey game.

It wasn’t a suicide pass. Killorn read it perfectly and was ready for when Gardiner did the no look cross ice pass to Necas as he was building up speed. They scouted our zone entries. That’s not Gards fault.

 

[TomppaKoo]

It wasn’t a suicide pass. Killorn read it perfectly and was ready for when Gardiner did the no look cross ice pass to Necas as he was building up speed. They scouted our zone entries. That’s not Gards fault.

The reason Gardiner jumped on Killorn was that he understood the responsibility on that suicide pass he had made. No one who has not played hockey will not understand this so I will not even try to explain this to you any further.

 

[bleedgreen]

The reason Gardiner jumped on Killorn was that he understood the responsibility on that suicide pass he had made. No one who has not played hockey will not understand this so I will not even try to explain this to you any further.

Oh my.

That’s just adorable.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

You know you're winning an argument when you rely on the "Well, you've never played the game" stance

 

[LakeLivin]

The reason Gardiner jumped on Killorn was that he understood the responsibility on that suicide pass he had made. No one who has not played hockey will not understand this so I will not even try to explain this to you any further.

With the acknowledgement that English isn't my strong suit, I would need to create a flow chart in order to understand this sentence, lol.

 

[TomppaKoo]

There are concepts in the game that you will not understand, if you never played the game. It is not about semantics or internet-heroism or trying to win an argument. Just giving an opinion based on personal experience of the game. With all due respect.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Bless your heart!

 

[MinJaBen]

No one who has not played hockey will not understand this so I will not even try to explain this to you any further.

I'm lost. Does this mean anyone who has not played hockey automatically understands this?

Edit: Lake beat me to it. I still have a headache from trying to figure that out.

 

[TomppaKoo]

I'm lost. Does this mean anyone who has not played hockey automatically understands this?

Edit: Lake beat me to it. I still have a headache from trying to figure that out.

No one who has not played hockey will not understand this.

Repetitio mater studiorum est.

 

[hockeynjune]

 

[Joe McGrath]

No one who has not played hockey will not understand this.

Repetitio mater studiorum est.

I’ve played hockey for 35 years and I still don’t know what you’re talking about

 

[TomppaKoo]

I’ve played hockey for 35 years and I still don’t know what you’re talking about

Well, in a non-contact pond hockey the responsibility of giving a bad pass near opposition blue line is not that dangerous, I guess. Whatever - I will not try to explain this any further to anyone. Peace.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Whatever - I will not try to explain this any further to anyone. Peace.