GDT: Time To Clean The Litter Box. Canes vs Bolts

[chaz4hockey]

Bolts were in playoff hockey mode hitting everything that moved. Over a long series that wears the other team down.

They had a few cheap non called elbows but going forward we need Staal, Matinook, Svech, Lorentz, Paquette and in particular our D to lay the wood. I don’t think they did that enough tonight and our D was very soft.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Balls they play again tomorrow? I have my own game against our biggest rivals who play every game like goddamn game 7 of the cup finals. I’m going to be looking for blood when I watch it a like midnight tomorrow. Shit

 

[Roboturner913]

Are you guys seriously pissed at the Killorn hit?

Clean and absolutely the right play by him.

It could've been a lot worse, he didn't throw an elbow up or anything. But he did launch himself. His feet came up off the ice. Your feet don't come up off the ice unless you launched yourself at some point. Yeah, I know his feet cleared the ice after the hit, but it's not like he threw the hit *then* jumped.

Ask yourself if somebody on our team threw that hit what would've happened. Major penalty for sure, I guaran-f***ing-tee it.

This also never gets talked about, but a Kevlar shoulder pad is harder than an elbow. Necas is lucky that he somehow avoided a major concussion.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Bolts learned a lot from the Bruins and Caps at the small dirty plays that you can get away with. Refs protecting you helps.
Launching yourself into the chin isn’t a clean hit. Im confident we won’t hear from player safety although I would like to be wrong.

Dougie was begging for a tripping call or something the last 5 minutes of the game. He had no Fs to give there.

Coaching staff didn’t trust Hakanpää and his skating abilities against the smaller faster Lightning. Thought his 4 hits weren’t overly big. Still new but we brought him in the help with games like this. Hopefully he will bring the wood tomorrow.

Stinks that Mrazek played such a great game to have one poor rebound control end it. 2 big mistakes lost the game. Although there were definitely a few others that could have cost us too. Clean up the game tomorrow and hopefully we can pull out the win.

 

[dogbazinho]

Games like these make me wish we did a better job of addressing team toughness at the deadline.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Games like these make me wish we did a better job of addressing team toughness at the deadline.

I dont think Rod wants us to play that type of game. He wants a clean game to keep us out of the box cuz our elbow calls are a natural skating motion and not an elbow. Other teams actively elbow to the mouth with no issue.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

@Tryamw

MONKEY BALLS... I CAN’T PROTECT US EVERY GAME.

PLEASE REPORT.

 

[bleedgreen]

It could've been a lot worse, he didn't throw an elbow up or anything. But he did launch himself. His feet came up off the ice. Your feet don't come up off the ice unless you launched yourself at some point. Yeah, I know his feet cleared the ice after the hit, but it's not like he threw the hit *then* jumped.

Ask yourself if somebody on our team threw that hit what would've happened. Major penalty for sure, I guaran-f***ing-tee it.

This also never gets talked about, but a Kevlar shoulder pad is harder than an elbow. Necas is lucky that he somehow avoided a major concussion.

I only see elevation in a slo mo replay. Looking for elevation on that play is a fool errand in the first place, only an argument to gain a power play. Killorn turned his back, because if he stayed forward his shoulder would’ve decapitated Necas while hurting Killorn as well. Necas hit his back. The elevation led to him hitting his back, and no elevation would’ve led him hitting a slightly different part of his back. It’s irrelevant, and there was no intent in it. Elevation as a concept applies to shoulders to heads or arms extending forward and upward. Neither are the case here, the safest collision possible was the one that happened. The elevation to me was simply Killorn preparing himself for contact.

He didn’t even change his lane really, he knew where Necas was going and stood his ground. Necas has always been his worst enemy in a way, he’s always struggled to control his speed and while he’s no longer throwing himself face first into the boards he’s still Mach 5 assuming the lane is there whether it is or not. It’s the right play to get in his lane and let Necas knock himself out on you. Which is what happened there. You either have to get in his lane and accept the consequences good or bad....or you let him go by and get an earful from the coach. Necas is so fast there’s little time for intent.

 

[bleedgreen]

Games like these make me wish we did a better job of addressing team toughness at the deadline.

Well we did right? Hank is tough. He’s only one guy but you can’t mess up the chemistry more than that by adding more players. The one guy we added brings a lot of what we lack.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don’t love the Killorn hit because of the elevation, which is something I’d like to see decisively cut out of the game. But I also don’t have a problem with this specific case. It was a clean hit with the side of his body, there’s really nothing to be mad about there. Even Tripp seemed like he was rooting for a PP rather than actual justice.

And good on Gardiner for not hesitating to do the right thing. I’ll take that instigator all day. That’s Jake ****ing Gardiner going in there with fists flying, for crying out loud. Moments like that are the measure of a team, and we’ve seen MANY cases where there was no response. He didn’t even think about it. That’s exactly where we want these guys to be.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don’t love the Killorn hit because of the elevation, which is something I’d like to see decisively cut out of the game. But I also don’t have a problem with this specific case. It was a clean hit with the side of his body, there’s really nothing to be mad about there. Even Tripp seemed like he was rooting for a PP rather than actual justice.

And good on Gardiner for not hesitating to do the right thing. I’ll take that instigator all day. That’s Jake ****ing Gardiner going in there with fists flying, for crying out loud. Moments like that are the measure of a team, and we’ve seen MANY cases where there was no response. He didn’t even think about it. That’s exactly where we want these guys to be.

Hell yes. There’s more than one guy on this team that needed to see that the reaction is without hesitation and instinctive, and that it doesn’t matter if you’re a tough guy or not.

 

[Lempo]

Necas is so fast there’s little time for intent.

Necas is faster than Killorn's though.

 

[Tryamw]

@Tryamw

MONKEY BALLS... I CAN’T PROTECT US EVERY GAME.

PLEASE REPORT.

Can't I'm on the covid bench

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I’m catching up late. Are you blaming Pesce on the last play? Picking that puck out of the air was brilliant and while he looked a bit rushed Aho was in the wrong spot there, Pesce was right to want to go backwards in that moment.

Thought Pesce had a great game.

Yes, blaming Pesce. It was a great play to knock down the cross ice pass but everything else was bad and what led to the goal.

Aho was where he was because Gourde was coming in from behind Pesce to double team him. That’s how man so he’s there to support. Pesce had the open lane to skate up or pass to Svech and he would have had a 1 on 1 or maybe an opp to come in on Vasi with a good shot.

The whole regroup and stay back to maintain possession is fine but not when there’s two fore checkers flaying around in your zone and you’re flat footed.

That behind the back bounce pass muddled everything up and put Aho in a bad spot.

Pesce might have played a good regulation but he was awful in OT.

 

[hockeynjune]

The two hits on Necas were both fine, but I liked Jake of all people to be the guy stepping up.

They owned us in the second. Their ability to hem us in our end is embarrassing. We do it with over the top hustle and grind. The just dance around us, no grind needed....though they can.

They’re just more poised and experienced than us in the big game. That’s what that last play was to me. Pesce making a brilliant play but getting anxious/rushed the next moment and Aho not reading it till it was too late. Just looked panicked. Aho was definitely in the wrong spot.

Good game to see what it takes to win at the highest level. We answered at times but in the end were short. Still got a point. Learn and get ready for the next one.

Well said sir. Our team is young, fast , talented and still developing. It's no secret we get intimidated by physical more experienced teams. That will change as our kids grow. We went toe to toe with the Cup holders and they know we did. Tonight we see what we learned.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Necas will be fine. He came back and looked fine. Big hits happens. Maybe next time he won't express rail himself into a Buffer stop. He came real close to squeezing one through Vasi in OT. Let's hope he comes with a little extra fire tonight, and more awareness.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Apparently Vasi is resting tonight so it’s McBackup to n net. Need 2 point NTC in regulation here.

 

[spockBokk]

For just once, I’d like to see Skjei, Bean or Gardiner out there on 3-3 vs. Pesce.

 

[Chrispy]

Necas will be fine. He came back and looked fine. Big hits happens. Maybe next time he won't express rail himself into a Buffer stop. He came real close to squeezing one through Vasi in OT. Let's hope he comes with a little extra fire tonight, and more awareness.

I hope so, but it’s not certain yet. He wouldn’t be the first Hurricane to pass concussion protocol in game and develop symptoms a day or 2 later.

And Killorn absolutely launched himself up into the head of Necas. Definitely a charging minor at a minimum. And celebrating after having to fight for making a bad hit cements him as dirty in my eyes.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

How they respond tonight will be indicative of how they do in the playoffs

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Are you guys seriously pissed at the Killorn hit?

Clean and absolutely the right play by him.

As usual you and I are on the same page. As with so many hits the feet leave the ice *after* impact. So whatever. Keep your head up and know where you are.

I’m assuming Gardiner jumped in because it was his semi-sui pass that started the whole thing.

 

[Joe McGrath]

As usual you and I are on the same page. As with so many hits the feet leave the ice *after* impact. So whatever. Keep your head up and know where you are.

I’m assuming Gardiner jumped in because it was his semi-sui pass that started the whole thing.

That’s the play on the PP though. Tampa scouted it. Gardiner didn’t lead him into anything that they haven’t been doing all season.

He jumped in to crosscheck Killorn like any good teammate would when the kid looks like he just died.

What’s baffling to me is that they called an instigator on a play where Gardiner never even intended to fight. Killorn had his gloves off first and then slapped Gardiner in the helmet 5 or 6 times while trying to grab him, and then tackled him. It looked like those baseball or basketball slap fights between a bunch of guys who if they’d ever been in a real fight they wouldn’t be keen for another.

 

[Svechhammer]

As usual you and I are on the same page. As with so many hits the feet leave the ice *after* impact. So whatever. Keep your head up and know where you are.

I’m assuming Gardiner jumped in because it was his semi-sui pass that started the whole thing.

I'm so tired of this take.

Looking at the puck shouldn't be a green light for a defender to crush your head with his shoulder or elbow. This kind of hit should not be legal. The NHL already protects prone players along the boards where you're sent to the box for checking someone if you see the numbers, its time to protect the guys in the open ice who might have to take their eyes off the play for a second.

A clean hit should not lead to a concussion. If it does, its not a clean f***ing hit. This league has a concussion problem and until they pull their heads out of their asses and actually start protecting the players, its never going to get any better. You would have thought they would have learned this lesson when they lost a generational talent like Lindros to multiple concussions back in the 90s, you would have thought that the concussion to a league darling like Francis would have done it, you'd have thought that watching Sami Kapanen flail around like a fish out of water in the 2003 playoffs against Toronto would have been enough, but nope. The league doesn't care. It wants these big hits. It wants brains to be scrambled on the regular, because to them, unless you're one of the chosen protected few like Ovechkin, Crosby, and McDavid, you're disposable and your health isn't as important as the bottom line.

 

[Identity404]

What the hell was up with all the boo birds last night? They were relentless the whole game.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I hope so, but it’s not certain yet. He wouldn’t be the first Hurricane to pass concussion protocol in game and develop symptoms a day or 2 later.

And Killorn absolutely launched himself up into the head of Necas. Definitely a charging minor at a minimum. And celebrating after having to fight for making a bad hit cements him as dirty in my eyes.

I'm not an expert on anything when it comes to hockey or the NHL, but this one seems like a difficult call. He certainly crouches and lifts up into the hit. I'm not sure I would categorize it as a launch, personally, but I'm not the one making the decision on such matters. Necas is coming in at Mach 10, and Killorn could be seen to crouch to impact his chest and not his head with the hit, however, he lifts right before the hit. Necas attempts to avoid the hit, and unfortunately that puts his head directly level with a lifting Killorn's shoulder.

What I don't know is if Killorn lifted to target the head, or if it was a series of unfortunate events with Necas putting his head inline to be smashed by trying to stop. The follow through makes it more difficult for me, as Killorn does eventually leave his skates but only after impact.