Icelevel
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are you not watching, listening to them speak? you can see it in 1 min of tim murray speaking vs bryan.
show me one video, sound clip of bryan murray evaluating a player that doesn't sound like he is obviously regurgitating what he was told by his scouting staff. Tim and the scouts do all the work, tell bryan what to do, bryan checks to see if the money works. All based on what these guys do and say. he's a spokesperson.
Fandlauer
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Bryan Murray does a great job of building a premier organization. All the staff are well treated and respected and their are plenty of amenities and luxuries for the players. While that is his strong suit, I think he heavily relies on hiring the right people and relying on their information for pretty much all hockey decisions. It's not that Bryan Murray isn't a knowledgeable hockey guy, I just think like you said he isn't the best talent evaluator so he relies on his scouts and assistant GM to draft, sign and trade for the right players and his development staff to get the most out of those players.
Very Stable Genius
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"If you're a good team, you spend to the cap" is not the same as "spend to the cap to become a good team".
The majority of our guys are between 20-24. We're not in "full cap mode" just yet, and in case you haven't been paying attention, neither are the Sabres.
Nor will the Sabres be any time soon.
This is a good situation for Tim Murray to prove what he can do. Ideal even. He'll be in firesale mode, then he can start to build a team his way.
We won't really see his impact, or the fruits of his labor for at least 5 years.
There is no need to go into panic mode over the Sabres. At least not yet.
The majority of our guys are between 20-24. We're not in "full cap mode" just yet, and in case you haven't been paying attention, neither are the Sabres.
Nor will the Sabres be any time soon.
This is a good situation for Tim Murray to prove what he can do. Ideal even. He'll be in firesale mode, then he can start to build a team his way.
We won't really see his impact, or the fruits of his labor for at least 5 years.
There is no need to go into panic mode over the Sabres. At least not yet.
Gil Gunderson
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Yup. It's not a coincidence that every Cup finalist since the lockout has spent to the cap, or at least very close.
wait a GM trusting his scouts is your problem? Yes TMurray is good at evaluting talent. But so is BMurray we know that cause he always has drafted well and we know the Pageau story.
Dorion is still here who was our head scout so what is the problem?
Tim murray leaves and all of a sudden hes so much better than bryan murray, silfverberg leaves and all of a sudden hes better than zibanejad. Some fans just need to smile
Golden
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Hardly surprised to hear this. The internal budget has been the story of the season and that's unfortunate.
Icelevel
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i agree. BM is a nice guy, yeah (i've met him, had conversations). You can see he cares about his players. But, TM is all of that plus he does the other things you need to win. BM lacks ability to evaluate individuals as well, put the right guys together on a roster and build a winner.
TM i think will show he is much better and efficient at this. He was the manager of Binghamton. That team is a better team in their league than ottawa is in theirs and has been for a while.
yes that is usually what happens when you are rebuilding and draft well
BMurray is the general MANAGER. His job isn't to scout every player himself his job is to surround himself with people who give us the best chance to win. His job is to talk to other GMs to see what players can be had and take that information to his scouts and see what they think. He is the decision maker on everything and so far he has done a good job during this rebuild
Icelevel
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I swear I've never seen a board go full potato over an assistant GM before.
Priceless.
we'll get through it, but he's not just an assistant gm. he was arguably the most important part of the management team in ottawa and there is no one else internally that can step in and do the same job.
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BatherSeason
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Sorry, I hate to laugh, but you have absolutely no grounds and no proof of anything you have said regarding your love for Tim Murray, unless your his wife??
Being the manager of Bingo means nothing. He oversaw the day to day operations of the team. Yes, the team won the Calder Cup, but if I recall, they weren't supposed to win and were on the verge of being eliminated in the first round until Robin Lehner took over. Pretty sure that they were a 6 or 7 seed that year too.
What happened to Bingo last year....??? I guess the Sens playoff run last year was a direct result of Tim Murray being our Assistant GM.
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I agree with Icelevel and his posse of like minds.
We should not be wasting time supporting the man who has been the architect of the top notch management team in place, and the mentor of the man who just left for his first shot at the top job. Instead, we should attribute all successes to the number 2 guy, treat the top guy as a bumbling imbecile, who we have prospered in spite of, and proceed to predict a future filled with doom and gloom.
We should also make sure that when we present our opinions to the board that we are sure to present them as irrefutable facts, rather than the baseless conjecture that they are, and use things like "did you see the first minute of the interview? TM clearly sounds like he knows everything, while BM always sounds like he knows nothing..." As all of the nails, and heck even the coffin of the issue.
I'm actually stunned that there are fans here up in arms about this, Icelevel has to be a Peeping Tim from next door, telescope levelled just so. I mean why else would one be so angry that TM is leaving, though, I can imagine that he's quite dreamy in a housecoat...
Icelevel
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ahl is a development league. all ottawa's young players come through that system that tim murray built. if you can't see the positive results of that i don't know what you're looking at.
The calder was gravy. the players were being developed properly and at the same time built a winning environment and won the cup. the team is first in the division this yr because of the coach and players that tim murray helped (or single handedly) put there.
bert
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In reality there are definitely more than one person on this board that can speculate about this kindof thing because they do know.
No need to lash out if you dont like what someone is suggesting on here, just take it easy on your keyboard they are expensive to fix.
bert
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According to the list that was posted a few days ago we do.
Nepotism at its' finest.
Because it has never worked within the family before right...
BatherSeason
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For what it's worth, some of my family grew up with the Murray's and apparently Tim has been the brains of the operation for a while.
He apparently has no people skills though, which might make it hard for him to build good relationships as a GM.
Apparently Tim would be the one to evaluate potential trades, etc and Murray was the mouthpiece/the one with all of the connections and working relationships.
Someone else in the AGM position, might benefit the team, outside perspective is always good.
He apparently has no people skills though, which might make it hard for him to build good relationships as a GM.
Apparently Tim would be the one to evaluate potential trades, etc and Murray was the mouthpiece/the one with all of the connections and working relationships.
Someone else in the AGM position, might benefit the team, outside perspective is always good.
