Ticket/Attendance Discussion: The Sequel
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Gil Fisher
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Never heard of him. From Winnipeg no less!
Bad enough reading all these shitty hockey takes; don't need to read the bad music takes as well.You need to check out the music thread, @spiny norman is there all the time.
Music brings everyone together don't you know.Never heard of him. From Winnipeg no less!
Bad enough reading all these shitty hockey takes; don't need to read the bad music takes as well.
Yes but it costs $90,000 to $100,000 to house one inmate in a correctional institution for one year in Canada. It would be cheaper to house them plus if the progress is positive, you might make them less reliant on social services, like police, CFS, mental health workers which, if $$ properly distributed, can lead to additional cost savings.If that's the big issue, then let's start making more use of those nice housing complexes in Headingley and Stony Mountain for all these poor, downtrodden downtownies.
As for the view, you're right. They should have built everything steeper. Maybe not old arena steep, but more than what we got. Not sure why they didn't. If anything, it allows for more seating within an under-sized footprint.
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voyageur
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It's way more complicated than just housing. You take a meth addict, if you've ever heard some of the stories that go on in a meth house, you've got people using angle grinders to cut metal, people stripping bikes of all their metal parts, it's not like your average housing. To make money for meth. And in a state of pyschosis it could be even more dangerous. Or you have trap houses for women who do deeds for drugs. It's not pretty, and the simplistic solutions come from people in offices not so much people on the street. Tent villages are pretty functional units, minus the garbage, which is a municipal issue.
I agree its more complicated than housing. But what I believe isn't complicated is there are solutions out there that can use funds more efficiently and effectively than paying police officers $100,000 after 5 years to be reactive and not proactive to crime or putting people in jail for the same annual cost. Part of it is housing. Part of it is gang awareness and keeping kids busy after school in middle/high school. Maybe a universal basic income. Maybe making social assistance contingent staying at the millenium library with presentations on temporary work. Homeless people should have to spend their days at the library trying to learn something they might be able to turn into a living. More officers might stop thefts at superstore and as part of the retail initiative but that strategy is missing the forest for the trees. I think the arena is in the right place. Portage place will get a makeover. Freepress recently had a special on Houston model approach towards homelessness but local organizations suggest they want their own approach. True north is doing the right things regarding the above and im sure its not without their self-interest. The city and province are lacking.
voyageur
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I think as people we tend to generalize and stigmatize people. I can tell you one of the hardest things I had to deal with in my life was watching a friend a hockey teammate go from a $35 level 2 carpenter and role model to losing his kids to CFS, end up in jail, then on the streets meth addicted, relying on me for food and occasionally shelter, to becoming a friend I had to drop off in a dumpster in the middle of winter for lodging because I couldn't deal with the crisis. And very few people are able to properly deal with trauma and negative behaviours they can produce, poverty etc. It's such a complex issue. There's a definite correlation between CFS and gang activity that I saw in my work and life. Housing is only cutting the surface of it. A prominent indigenous leader called True North an ally in a conversation we had, and I think they are trying to be, while providing first class entertainment for their bottom line.
AtomicJets
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Sellout last night, awesome crowd for a Tuesday, love the energy in the building this season
I don't think the problem with downtown is poverty, homelessness, addiction, etc. It's that Winnipeg has little for high paying corporate jobs that would draw people downtown to consume goods and services and dilute the vagrants. Fix the economy and the problem goes away. That's easier said than done though.
In 2011 there were 13,000 season tickets sold plus a waiting list capped at 8,000 in a smaller, poorer city than Winnipeg today.
Joe Hallenback
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I make together with my wife 50 percent more then I did in 2011 but for us it feels like we have way less money today then 2011
Buffdog
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Everything was dirt cheap in 2011. I think the Canadian dollar was actually above par with the USD
I was lucky enough to my boat back then. It would cost over 2X in actual dollars to buy today
UFO
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The building sounded loud on TV.
Yep, food and especially housing have increased by more than 50% in that time.
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RIP lomiller1, see you in the next life buddy.
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oldunclehue
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Came in here to simply put it, I was way off on my prediction for this team. Glad the season has started great and attendance is doing great. Good for the city and team.
I was wrong....hope yall enjoy how its going and more success to come.
A NYR vs Jets final would be my dream.
I was wrong....hope yall enjoy how its going and more success to come.
A NYR vs Jets final would be my dream.
The Blue Baron
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It is always great to see attendance jumping to great numbers, 15%+ up is awesome.
Cudos
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There will be a new arena at some point. I'm sure it will be downtown. Agree there is no unmet demand at this time so it is difficult to see a need right now.
If I'm not mistaken the Calgary Saddledome is the oldest arena in the NHL. They have been clamoring for a replacement for years already and have finally started work on the replacement after years of controversy. It is 41 years old and had a major renovation 30 years ago.
CLC is 20 years old. It has never had a major reno but has had several lesser renos over the years. Life expectancy for NHL arenas appears to be about 40 years
I think we can expect some pressure for a new arena to start building up in 10-15 years if Jets are consistently selling out. I'm pretty sure we will be back to sellouts in the near future. As the city grows over the next 10-15 years so will demand for tickets. So I think the need will be there. In 20 years the pressure for a new arena will have grown to a point where a new building will be justified. There will be the usual wrangling over locations and financing and the new arena will open in 25 years. Give or take.
A lot will change in 20-25 years. The NHL may have moved to China. Global heating may have created a dystopia with no room for recreation at all. A massive deposit of hydrogen may have been found under Lake Winnipeg. Winnipeg might be a thriving energy hub city with a population of 2 million hockey loving people.
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People often say this about arena lifespans, but I'm not sure I agree.
The game changed with arenas back in the 90s, that's when suites, club seats and other premium sections became major fixtures of new buildings. So a lot of of the vintage post war arenas that didn't have those things were replaced around that time when many of them were maybe 30-40 years old.
But what has changed since the 90s that would justify new buildings? If an arena's lifespan was 40 years no matter what, you'd be hearing about all kinds of new buildings planned to replace the crop that went up in the 90s. But is anyone actually doing that? Not to my knowledge. The 90s arenas seem to be chugging along just fine. The only ones being replaced have some other kind of flaw, like the bad location in Ottawa.
Olympic Saddledome isn't being replaced because it's over 40. It's being replaced because it's a pre-90s building that doesn't have the revenue generating features common in newer buildings. CLC does not have that problem, so I don't think we should be expecting to attend a new arena's unveiling 20 years from now.
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Yes!
But the demise of downtown certainly did not start with Portage Place. PP was an earlier attempt at rejuvenating the downtown that had been in deep decay for 20 years already.
It became the monstrosity that it is because it was entirely the wrong solution. Downtown didn't need more places to shop. It needed more shoppers.
From Wikipedia:
In the early 1980s, north Portage Avenue was in decline, due in part to the "flight to the suburbs" and free parking at suburban malls. The federal, provincial, and municipal governments joined together to create the Core Area Initiative in 1981 to counter this decline, and rebuild this part of downtown. One of the proposals in 1983 to "fix" the north side of Portage Avenue was to realign the roadway and build a new arena; however, this proposal was rejected by City Council.[3]
It goes on in detail with the history. What it doesn't discuss is the 20 years before 1981 when the 3 levels of gov't finally started with this response to the issues that had been building for years.
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The flooding of the Saddledome also affected its aging. But it is still the oldest arena now. And if you look back another generation of buildings you will find a similar life span. It seems to me that if it is not one thing, it is another and the average lifespan stays about the same. 40 years will not be an exact age, but the age will be in that range. I'm figuring on roughly 40 years until a decision is made to build, roughly 45 years until opening.
It would be unusual if we could see the demise of CLC now, when it is only 20 years old. But we will be able to see it in another 10-15 years. From there it will tale 10-15 years or so until it is actually built
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Hey, that's not a bad idea! Then Headingly could have an arena like Leduc has an airport.
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I live by there and I would totally agree...
So ...... where is a place that is not scary?
Goes back to the social issues. Always.
