Ticket/Attendance Discussion: The Sequel

[Jet]

Who the fock are you?

I mean, he's the boss.

 

[Jets 31]

Who the fock are you?

You need to check out the music thread, @spiny norman is there all the time.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I mean, he's the boss.

Never heard of him. From Winnipeg no less!

You need to check out the music thread, @spiny norman is there all the time.

Bad enough reading all these shitty hockey takes; don't need to read the bad music takes as well.

 

[Jets 31]

Never heard of him. From Winnipeg no less!


Bad enough reading all these shitty hockey takes; don't need to read the bad music takes as well.

Music brings everyone together don't you know.

 

[gojets1991]

If that's the big issue, then let's start making more use of those nice housing complexes in Headingley and Stony Mountain for all these poor, downtrodden downtownies.

As for the view, you're right. They should have built everything steeper. Maybe not old arena steep, but more than what we got. Not sure why they didn't. If anything, it allows for more seating within an under-sized footprint.

Yes but it costs $90,000 to $100,000 to house one inmate in a correctional institution for one year in Canada. It would be cheaper to house them plus if the progress is positive, you might make them less reliant on social services, like police, CFS, mental health workers which, if $$ properly distributed, can lead to additional cost savings.

Dear Winnipeg blog is a blog I enjoy reading that approaches municipal issues in a non mainstream way but relies on facts, research and hard data. I encourage you to check it out.

 

[voyageur]

Yes but it costs $90,000 to $100,000 to house one inmate in a correctional institution for one year in Canada. It would be cheaper to house them plus if the progress is positive, you might make them less reliant on social services, like police, CFS, mental health workers which, if $$ properly distributed, can lead to additional cost savings.

Dear Winnipeg blog is a blog I enjoy reading that approaches municipal issues in a non mainstream way but relies on facts, research and hard data. I encourage you to check it out.

It's way more complicated than just housing. You take a meth addict, if you've ever heard some of the stories that go on in a meth house, you've got people using angle grinders to cut metal, people stripping bikes of all their metal parts, it's not like your average housing. To make money for meth. And in a state of pyschosis it could be even more dangerous. Or you have trap houses for women who do deeds for drugs. It's not pretty, and the simplistic solutions come from people in offices not so much people on the street. Tent villages are pretty functional units, minus the garbage, which is a municipal issue.

 

[gojets1991]

It's way more complicated than just housing. You take a meth addict, if you've ever heard some of the stories that go on in a meth house, you've got people using angle grinders to cut metal, people stripping bikes of all their metal parts, it's not like your average housing. To make money for meth. And in a state of pyschosis it could be even more dangerous. Or you have trap houses for women who do deeds for drugs. It's not pretty, and the simplistic solutions come from people in offices not so much people on the street. Tent villages are pretty functional units, minus the garbage, which is a municipal issue.

I agree its more complicated than housing. But what I believe isn't complicated is there are solutions out there that can use funds more efficiently and effectively than paying police officers $100,000 after 5 years to be reactive and not proactive to crime or putting people in jail for the same annual cost. Part of it is housing. Part of it is gang awareness and keeping kids busy after school in middle/high school. Maybe a universal basic income. Maybe making social assistance contingent staying at the millenium library with presentations on temporary work. Homeless people should have to spend their days at the library trying to learn something they might be able to turn into a living. More officers might stop thefts at superstore and as part of the retail initiative but that strategy is missing the forest for the trees. I think the arena is in the right place. Portage place will get a makeover. Freepress recently had a special on Houston model approach towards homelessness but local organizations suggest they want their own approach. True north is doing the right things regarding the above and im sure its not without their self-interest. The city and province are lacking.

 

[voyageur]

I agree its more complicated than housing. But what I believe isn't complicated is there are solutions out there that can use funds more efficiently and effectively than paying police officers $100,000 after 5 years to be reactive and not proactive to crime or putting people in jail for the same annual cost. Part of it is housing. Part of it is gang awareness and keeping kids busy after school in middle/high school. Maybe a universal basic income. Maybe making social assistance contingent staying at the millenium library with presentations on temporary work. Homeless people should have to spend their days at the library trying to learn something they might be able to turn into a living. More officers might stop thefts at superstore and as part of the retail initiative but that strategy is missing the forest for the trees. I think the arena is in the right place. Portage place will get a makeover. Freepress recently had a special on Houston model approach towards homelessness but local organizations suggest they want their own approach. True north is doing the right things regarding the above and im sure its not without their self-interest. The city and province are lacking.

I think as people we tend to generalize and stigmatize people. I can tell you one of the hardest things I had to deal with in my life was watching a friend a hockey teammate go from a $35 level 2 carpenter and role model to losing his kids to CFS, end up in jail, then on the streets meth addicted, relying on me for food and occasionally shelter, to becoming a friend I had to drop off in a dumpster in the middle of winter for lodging because I couldn't deal with the crisis. And very few people are able to properly deal with trauma and negative behaviours they can produce, poverty etc. It's such a complex issue. There's a definite correlation between CFS and gang activity that I saw in my work and life. Housing is only cutting the surface of it. A prominent indigenous leader called True North an ally in a conversation we had, and I think they are trying to be, while providing first class entertainment for their bottom line.

 

[AtomicJets]

Sellout last night, awesome crowd for a Tuesday, love the energy in the building this season

 

[WpgSteve]

I don't think the problem with downtown is poverty, homelessness, addiction, etc. It's that Winnipeg has little for high paying corporate jobs that would draw people downtown to consume goods and services and dilute the vagrants. Fix the economy and the problem goes away. That's easier said than done though.