Blue Jays Discussion: Thus Endth the 2016 Season..

[Loosie]

Carrera and Pillar flipped. Otherwise the lineup is the same as last night.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

It's almost like it's difficult to win a WS

#Jays won back2back, a rarity in sports, that team was so good. Looking at this team, they're made to win but Indians are just better and getting the breaks.

Why are we surprised the jays are struggling? The two best teams in each respective division will probably meet.... It's predictable to me.

 

[Bluelines]

If he wants the team to modify their approach in certain situations, what good does it do to broadcast that to the opposition?



The Jays were shut down by the Royals in Game 1 last year, and they proceeded to score 26 runs in the next five games. No adjustments my ass.

So he said he wasn't going to change his approach and he didn't, so what benefit is there to say you are not going to change your approach and don't? Point is Gibbions is completely incapable of change.

Kinda disingenuous to say that BJ's made adjustments after game one, the Jays scored, zero runs, three runs, two runs, three runs, average of 2 runs per game over those 4 games, that is the definition of shutting a team down. So of those 26 runs 18 were scored in 2 games, 8 were scored in the other 3.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

Dude this series is over.

Like justin bieber's song... #neversaynever.

 

[Eyedea]

i think its fair to say that with the #1 rated starting pitching staff in the AL and one year removed from the best offence in the majors, this team has significantly underachieved.

They are what 1 for 28 with RISP with 2 out in this series. That is a major underachievement.

Allowing 4 runs over the 1st 2 games and coming away with no wins, is a major underachievement.

Not adjusting to how Cleveland is pitching you for 3 games in a row, is a major underachievement.

The team was expected to compete for the WS and they are doing that kind of, not sure if you can call this series showing much compete, but to just roll over like they are, is a major underachievement.

Historic offence with an aging group of hitters declines? Who'd a thunk. And yeah, the #1 pitching staff in the AL once the season ends, and we've known since the season ended that the offence has been inconsistent. So I'm not sure what you're saying is fair in any way.

 

[Bluelines]

Carrera and Pillar flipped. Otherwise the lineup is the same as last night.

Pfffft... thats a 12 strike out lineup..

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

I'd laugh if the jays won 1-0. Bittersweet against Kluber!

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'd be DH'ing JB and playing Upton
Saunders would sit

 

[Discoverer]

So he said he wasn't going to change his approach and he didn't, so what benefit is there to say you are not going to change your approach and don't? Point is Gibbions is completely incapable of change.

He isn't the one swinging the bat. He can do all the managing he wants, and so can the two hitting coaches, but the players have to get the job done.

Kinda disingenuous to say that BJ's made adjustments after game one, the Jays scored, zero runs, three runs, two runs, three runs, average of 2 runs per game over those 4 games, that is the definition of shutting a team down. So of those 26 runs 18 were scored in 2 games, 8 were scored in the other 3.

Yeah, I guess it doesn't look so good when you remove the games where the offense completely dominated the opponent.

 

[Suntouchable13]

#Jays won back2back, a rarity in sports, that team was so good. Looking at this team, they're made to win but Indians are just better and getting the breaks.

Why are we surprised the jays are struggling? The two best teams in each respective division will probably meet.... It's predictable to me.

Jays shouldn't be struggling. This is not some young team on it's first rodeo. Besides, Cleveland and Toronto are not really far apart. Cleveland is not way better than Jays.

 

[Bluelines]

Oh one more rant...
How F-ing stupid is Gibbons, he has a guy on the mound struggling with 2 on in the 1st inning, goes out and says, yeah check that guys finger.... and the Ump pulls the guy... Gibbons your job is to not help the opposing team. Who knows what would have happened if he pitched to one more batter but I sure would have loved to see him try.

The more I think about Gibbons and how poorly he understands the game, the more I want anyone but him... Gibbons is better off in a tree stand 50 miles back in the bush matching wits with a Wild Turkey. My money is on the Wild Turkey.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Oh one more rant...
How F-ing stupid is Gibbons, he has a guy on the mound struggling with 2 on in the 1st inning, goes out and says, yeah check that guys finger.... and the Ump pulls the guy... Gibbons your job is to not help the opposing team. Who knows what would have happened if he pitched to one more batter but I sure would have loved to see him try.

The more I think about Gibbons and how poorly he understands the game, the more I want anyone but him... Gibbons is better off in a tree stand 50 miles back in the bush matching wits with a Wild Turkey. My money is on the Wild Turkey.

Not talking specifically Gibby, but I do think the coaching on this team is sub par. Everybody except the pitching coaches need to be reevaluated.

 

[Discoverer]

Not talking specifically Gibby, but I do think the coaching on this team is sub par. Everybody except the pitching coaches need to be reevaluated.

This is why it's almost impossible to properly evaluate coaches. Last year, with the same coaches in place, we would have been saying "Everybody except the hitting coaches need to be reevaluated".

 

[Bluelines]

He isn't the one swinging the bat. He can do all the managing he wants, and so can the two hitting coaches, but the players have to get the job done.



Yeah, I guess it doesn't look so good when you remove the games where the offense completely dominated the opponent.

For your first paragraph , head slap emoji, the coach sets the tone and the approach, if you tell your batters to do something and they do something different ...SURPRISE you bench him.... the manager has to get the job done too, throwing your hands up and saying golly shocks , this is what we've always done so this is what we will always do , is insanity. Baseball is a thinking mans game, if you don't think the game, you don't win the game.

Yeah it kinda proves my point when the Royals pitching dominated the Jays hitters twice as many times as the Jays offence dominated Royal pitching. Jays had 2 games out of 6 where they actually played decent.

 

[Suntouchable13]

This is why it's almost impossible to properly evaluate coaches. Last year, with the same coaches in place, we would have been saying "Everybody except the hitting coaches need to be reevaluated".

But why is that 2 years in a row they are being outclassed in the ALCS? This year is even worse than last season.

 

[Bluelines]

This is why it's almost impossible to properly evaluate coaches. Last year, with the same coaches in place, we would have been saying "Everybody except the hitting coaches need to be reevaluated".

I've been calling for Gibbys firing since the day he was rehired. I cant stand lazy coaches.

 

[Discoverer]

But why is that 2 years in a row they are being outclassed in the ALCS? This year is even worse than last season.

People are always looking for reasons and people to blame, so they hate to hear this, but that's how baseball works. Sometimes you hit rough stretches at the wrong time.

 

[Discoverer]

Yeah it kinda proves my point when the Royals pitching dominated the Jays hitters twice as many times as the Jays offence dominated Royal pitching. Jays had 2 games out of 6 where they actually played decent.

Game 2: 3 runs on 10 hits (four doubles) and 3 walks

Game 4: 2 runs on 7 hits and 2 walks

Game 6: 3 runs on 7 hits (2 2B, 2 HR) and 4 walks

They were dominated in Game 1. The offense was very good after that.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

Sometimes you hit rough stretches at the wrong time.

If Cleveland wins the WS, they were legit, just as the royals were. No shame.

This series has been close but Indians are getting all the breaks. Tough luck.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

Cleveland is not way better than Jays.

Good pitching beats good hitting.

Jays have no answer. Give credit where is due. Indians are a top team, we underestimated them.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

Im oddly optimistic. i feel like if you were to be down 3-0 this would be ideal circumstances.

Klueber is on 3 days rest and never pitched on short rest, he was the pitcher we hit the hardest albeit not scoring any runs.

Had we win, we will likely face Ryan Merritt a pitcher that only has 11 IP in his MLB career.

Their BP is probably pretty tired after pitching 8.1 innings last night.

GOOOOO JAYS~!

 

[Loosie]

Im oddly optimistic. i feel like if you were to be down 3-0 this would be ideal circumstances.

Klueber is on 3 days rest and never pitched on short rest, he was the pitcher we hit the hardest albeit not scoring any runs.

Had we win, we will likely face Ryan Merritt a pitcher that only has 11 IP in his MLB career.

Their BP is probably pretty tired after pitching 8.1 innings last night.

GOOOOO JAYS~!

If we can get an early lead it will be even better. I think we can win tonight, and from there anything is possible.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Good pitching beats good hitting.

Jays have no answer. Give credit where is due. Indians are a top team, we underestimated them.

We have the exact same number of baserunners as they do. Our good pitching has beaten their good hitting, we're just anti-clutch with RISP. It's coming down to our approach with the bat and people like Martin swinging at balls in the dirt.

That first game we were all over Kluber and had we capitalized on anything in the first three innings, we were fine, but some terrible at bats ruined any momentum every single time.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

I want to be optimistic but the weather is making it hard. That said, love reading Trevor bauers twitter, he is trolling us hard.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

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