Blue Jays Discussion: Thus Endth the 2016 Season..

[HockeyGuruPitka]

I want to be optimistic but the weather is making it hard. That said, love reading Trevor bauers twitter, he is trolling us hard.

Just need to plant 1 seed of doubt,

 

[Loosie]

Trevor Bauer lets #BlueJays fans know what the #ALCS is at following a 4-2 game 3 win ️ #RallyTogether #Postseason #OurMoment pic.twitter.com/n4TNf1MJCH

Aside from being a Jays fan for that right there I'd love for the Jays to come back and take the series.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

What is the score so far ? Jays 4, Cleveland 3.
The Jays have 4 opportunities to Win, and the Indians have 3 Wins.

Let's beat those Yahoo Wahoos.
heh.

 

[phillipsj89]

Not sure if this means anything, maybe some suspensions or fines?

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

Pat Hannon
RT @pat_hannon_ @BauerOutage you can't last more than an inning on the mound because of your pinky, but have the pinky for your twitter fingers.

Hahahaha

 

[TootooTrain]

Not sure if this means anything, maybe some suspensions or fines?

Lots of pitchers including jays use a bit of tar to maintain grip. (which is fine as long as you're conservative with it) It's quite a bit different for another player to apply it. That said, I don't think anything will come of it. Maybe just a warning behind closed doors.

 

[phillipsj89]

Lots of pitchers including jays use a bit of tar to maintain grip. (which is fine as long as you're conservative with it) It's quite a bit different for another player to apply it. That said, I don't think anything will come of it. Maybe just a warning behind closed doors.

Knew there had to be a reason their breaking balls have been on point!

 

[Natey]

Bautista as the lead off is so laughable. Maybe Tulo.

Bautista is not the first person I would want to get more ABs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

https://mobile.twitter.com/thefanaticsview/status/788371425451204608?p=v

What a jackass

He also said they were cheering because he went off hurt. Um, no

 

[LaCarriere]

'42 Leafs
'75 Islanders
'04 Red Sox
'10 Flyers
'12 Kings
'16 Blue Jays

Let's get'er done.

Only one of these teams is in the sport we are watching, and that team was a little more dynamic than this year's Jays team.

 

[Discoverer]

Bautista as the lead off is so laughable. Maybe Tulo.

Bautista is not the first person I would want to get more ABs.

Bautista has been a better hitter than Tulo in this series, in the postseason as a whole, during the regular season, and in any combination of previous seasons.

 

[LaCarriere]

I think they showed a stat in the last couple innings that was as follows:

RISP (Game 1 & Game 2)

Cleveland: 8

Toronto: 12

Pretty clear to me that the difference has been our hitting. I mean sure, there have been some times where maybe we should have gone to the bullpen, or what have you. But I think we all know that when the Jays bats are going like we saw against Texas, it doesn't matter what the opposing team does with their bats, we will beat them. The only team that could really out hit the Jays has already been eliminated.

The Indians deserve a lot of credit. Their bullpen is lights out. Honestly I could see them winning the World Series. Whoever they face in the World Series will not have anywhere near the fire power that they have already faced, and they have shown that they can get a clutch hit when it matters.

That being said, it is my opinion that if there is a team in the league over the past few seasons that could come back and win 4 straight, its the Jays. Their offence is just so dynamic. If they can get hot again, I seriously think they could do it.

I'm not sure you know what the word "dynamic" means.

They do one thing really well, and that's hit for power. They have next to no speed on the bases, are rarely a threat to steal, and their contact well well below "average" at 23rd/30th in the regular season with a team batting average of .248. They were 25th/30th in stolen bases. 22nd/30th in sacrifice hits. Their record was terrible in both 1 run games and in games where they didn't hit home runs. That's not exactly the definition of dynamic. A dynamic offense mixes in speed, contact and power.

Though they did a lot better in 1 run games this year compared to last, but they still had a losing record (21-25) in 1 run games, while maintaining a dominant 29-15 record in blowout (5+) run games. This is completely expected with an offense that lives and dies on the homerun and power in general. If they hit a couple big 2 or 3 run dingers in a game (which they can do quite a bit of over 162 games against a wide variety of teams) they will win by a blowout, but if they aren't hitting homeruns they are losing (like in the ALCS). It's not rocket science, and there's nothing dynamic about that type of offense. That's not to say it can't ever be successful, but it's not dynamic.

 

[Loosie]

I'm not sure you know what the word "dynamic" means.

They do one thing really well, and that's hit for power. They have next to no speed on the bases, are rarely a threat to steal, and their contact well well below "average" at 23rd/30th in the regular season with a team batting average of .248. They were 25th/30th in stolen bases. 22nd/30th in sacrifice hits. Their record was terrible in both 1 run games and in games where they didn't hit home runs. That's not exactly the definition of dynamic. A dynamic offense mixes in speed, contact and power.

Though they did a lot better in 1 run games this year compared to last, but they still had a losing record (21-25) in 1 run games, while maintaining a dominant 29-15 record in blowout (5+) run games. This is completely expected with an offense that lives and dies on the homerun and power in general. If they hit a couple big 2 or 3 run dingers in a game (which they can do quite a bit of over 162 games against a wide variety of teams) they will win by a blowout, but if they aren't hitting homeruns they are losing (like in the ALCS). It's not rocket science, and there's nothing dynamic about that type of offense. That's not to say it can't ever be successful, but it's not dynamic.

How many of Cleveland's runs have been by the HR?

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

How many of Cleveland's runs have been by the HR?

You just made his point for him

 

[Discoverer]

How many of Cleveland's runs have been by the HR?

Eight runs in the series. Five on HR.

The teams have the exact same number of hits and walks. They've both been bad with runners in scoring position (Jays 1-11, Cleveland 2-13).

The only thing Cleveland has actually done better than the Jays offensively is hit HR.

 

[theaub]

Guess its time for some DINGERZ then

 

[Discoverer]

You just made his point for him

How so? He's saying the Jays offensive problem is that they live and die by the HR. Meanwhile, Cleveland is living purely because of the HR, and no one seems to think that's a problem for them.

 

[GoonieFace]

How many of Cleveland's runs have been by the HR?

This is correct, problem is Cleveland have to face the best starting pitching staff in baseball. The Jays have faced, besides Kluber, a decent pitcher in Tomlin and a pile of bullpen arms. This is the real problem.

 

[LaCarriere]

How many of Cleveland's runs have been by the HR?

Cleveland was 4th in the league in stolen bases, 6th in average, 3rd in doubles, 8th in OBP, 15th (exactly league average) in triples, and 18th in home runs.

Toronto was 25th in stolen bases, 23rd in average, 16th in doubles, 6th in OBP, 28th in triples, and 4th in home runs.

Cleveland was league average or better in 5/6 categories. Toronto in 2/6.

Beyond those most looked at stats, Toronto grounded out into the most double plays of any team, with 153. Not really a surprise for a team with **** speed and average. Cleveland, on the other hand, was still pretty high at 137, but not totally for a team that's a lot more balanced and not totally relying on power. Cleveland had more extra base hits, with 522 compared to Toronto's 515.

Get the picture? Cleveland's offense is a lot more "dynamic" than Toronto's in that it does a little bit of everything well above average (for the most part), compared to Toronto doing just doing one thing very well.

Even when you look at home runs, Toronto hit 221 compared to Clevelands 185 (4th vs. 18th) , so it's not like the long ball was a huge negative for cleveland. They were 3 teams below league average, and in a 7 game series an offensive/power outburst can make the difference.

 

[LaCarriere]

You just made his point for him

Well at least somebody gets it.

 

[LaCarriere]

This is correct, problem is Cleveland have to face the best starting pitching staff in baseball. The Jays have faced, besides Kluber, a decent pitcher in Tomlin and a pile of bullpen arms. This is the real problem.

It's not the real problem when 5/9 or 6/9 of your batters are swinging for the fences every AB, and the opposition is skilled in contact, speed and still has some pretty decent/average power throughout the lineup, and simply taking what they can get and are executing.

 

[Discoverer]

It's not the real problem when 5/9 or 6/9 of your batters are swinging for the fences every AB, and the opposition is skilled in contact, speed and still has some pretty decent/average power throughout the lineup, and simply taking what they can get and executing.

You keep saying that the problem is the Jays batters swinging for the fences and Cleveland being a good contact team, and yet they have the same number of hits and walks as Cleveland in the series.

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to Scott MacArthur of TSN, the Cleveland Indians are outperforming the Toronto Blue Jays in all facets of the game.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/cleveland-bettering-jays-in-all-facets-of-the-game-1.587296

 

[LaCarriere]

How so? He's saying the Jays offensive problem is that they live and die by the HR. Meanwhile, Cleveland is living purely because of the HR, and no one seems to think that's a problem for them.

It's not a problem for Cleveland, because if/when those homeruns stop happening (even though they are pretty average when it comes to power), they still have ridiculous top of the league speed and contact to keep their offense competitive.

If the Jays power drops into a slump what do they have to keep their offense going? Not very much... pretty much **** all. They become reliant on their pitching to completely shut down the opposition and hope for the best.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Ahhhh what does Scott know