Proposal: Three Way Trade between ANA, WPG, and NYR

[TheTakedown]

Rangers need defense
Jets needs value back for Trouba
Ducks could use some more-than-depth forwards to solidify their team, and they also need to unload a D contract.

Someone on the Ranger board posted this, and quite frankly as a rangers fan I'd even consider adding to one of the other teams.

WPG: Fowler (stop gap Dman for Trouba), Skjei (up and coming dman)
NYR: Trouba (top pairing dman)
ANA: Miller (cost controlled top 6 forward)

What would need to be added by any of the teams involved?

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[bfaust30]

Rangers don't have the cap to sign Trouba with only Skjei and Miller going out.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I'm a Rangers fan and i think NYR probably has to add a pick of some kind to Jets here.

Edit: Not sure if this saves Ducks enough $ for Lindholm and Rakell either, which is why they want to trade Fowler in the first place.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Rangers don't have the cap to sign Trouba with only Skjei and Miller going out.

That's not really accurate, we would have $5.69m in cap space, i'd bet on Trouba signing for under that.

 

[McDLT]

Rangers need defense
Jets needs value back for Trouba
Ducks could use some more-than-depth forwards to solidify their team, and they also need to unload a D contract.

Someone on the Ranger board posted this, and quite frankly as a rangers fan I'd even consider adding to one of the other teams.

WPG: Fowler (stop gap Dman for Trouba), Skjei (up and coming dman)
NYR: Trouba (top pairing dman)
ANA: Miller (cost controlled top 6 forward)

What would need to be added by any of the teams involved?

I think that is one of the better trade proposals that I've seen involving Trouba

 

[CaptainChef]

Rangers need defense
Jets needs value back for Trouba
Ducks could use some more-than-depth forwards to solidify their team, and they also need to unload a D contract.

Someone on the Ranger board posted this, and quite frankly as a rangers fan I'd even consider adding to one of the other teams.

WPG: Fowler (stop gap Dman for Trouba), Skjei (up and coming dman)
NYR: Trouba (top pairing dman)
ANA: Miller (cost controlled top 6 forward)

What would need to be added by any of the teams involved?

Close. Doubt that Ana would go for it given that they'll only be saving 1.25 mil in salary and giving up what they consider a real good d-man. But they are getting a cost-controlled player in a position of need.

From our perspective, this is better than dealing with NYR for Miller & Skjei, but I'm not sure that either d-man has enough upside to do the deal.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

That's not really accurate, we would have $5.69m in cap space, i'd bet on Trouba signing for under that.

Not by much, Doubt Trouba signs any where long term for less then $5.5 million per.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Not by much, Doubt Trouba signs any where long term for less then $5.5 million per.

We'll see, i think $5.69m would be enough.

 

[TheTakedown]

Close. Doubt that Ana would go for it given that they'll only be saving 1.25 mil in salary and giving up what they consider a real good d-man. But they are getting a cost-controlled player in a position of need.

From our perspective, this is better than dealing with NYR for Miller & Skjei, but I'm not sure that either d-man has enough upside to do the deal.

Fair enough. One for One proposal is tough in this instance because there aren't many guys of Trouba's caliber that teams are willing to part with--e.g. Lindholm for Trouba, therefore I think you'd have to sort of spread the wealth.

Would Hayes be of interest to Winnipeg? I think NYR would be comfortable adding if Winnipeg also added something back

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

We'll see, i think $5.69m would be enough.

Should be enough, The Rangers will just be tight up against the cap like Detroit is though.

 

[TheTakedown]

Not by much, Doubt Trouba signs any where long term for less then $5.5 million per.

True, but you also have the option of signing trouba to a 1 year, $4M deal on December 1st, and then extending him on January 1st for the $5.5-6M he wants. Rangers would have the cap space available with a few guys going to Free Agency (Glass frees up $500k, moving Girardi at 50% retained to another team or buying him out altogether yields about $2-2.5M depending on when the deal is done).

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Should be enough, The Rangers will just be tight up against the cap like Detroit is though.

Definitely, Gorton would have to do some serious maths to get this to work, but it can work

I really think the biggest issue here would be Ducks RFA situation, they need enough cap relief to sign both, is $1.25m enough? I dno.

I think Jets probably could use some more value here but that can probably be fixed with a pick or prospect.

 

[gump116]

Fair enough. One for One proposal is tough in this instance because there aren't many guys of Trouba's caliber that teams are willing to part with--e.g. Lindholm for Trouba, therefore I think you'd have to sort of spread the wealth.

Would Hayes be of interest to Winnipeg? I think NYR would be comfortable adding if Winnipeg also added something back

Don't think Hayes would be available in a trade. Rangers just signed Vesey with his help and Hayes similarly signed as a college FA a couple years ago when pretty much every team wanted him. A lot of what makes the Rangers attractive to free agents is that they treat the players well and are in NYC. Rangers are not going to get future high demand college FA's to sign with them if they trade them to Winnipeg a couple years later.

Could see a minor piece like Fast, Lindberg or a goalie prospect (not named Shestyorkin) added from the Rangers perspective, but not much more than that.

 

[CaptainChef]

Fair enough. One for One proposal is tough in this instance because there aren't many guys of Trouba's caliber that teams are willing to part with--e.g. Lindholm for Trouba, therefore I think you'd have to sort of spread the wealth.

Would Hayes be of interest to Winnipeg? I think NYR would be comfortable adding if Winnipeg also added something back

I think what you would need to do is provide additional cap relief & forward help for Ana & sweeten the pot to Wpg.

Hayes isn't probably the answer, but I could see this possibly working:

To Wpg: Fowler, Skjei, Stoner (mainly a cap dump from Ana but some value as a 31 yr old D-man)
To NYR: Trouba
To Ana: Miller + cost-controlled but significant forward prospect or RFA from NYR

 

[Gardner McKay]

I think what you would need to do is provide additional cap relief & forward help for Ana & sweeten the pot to Wpg.

Hayes isn't probably the answer, but I could see this possibly working:

To Wpg: Fowler, Skjei, Stoner (mainly a cap dump from Ana but some value as a 31 yr old D-man)
To NYR: Trouba
To Ana: Miller + cost-controlled but significant forward prospect or RFA from NYR

There is no way we give up Skjei + Miller + a top forward prospect (like Buch or someone) for just Trouba. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick gets added but that would be it.

 

[CaptainChef]

There is no way we give up Skjei + Miller + a top forward prospect (like Buch or someone) for just Trouba. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick gets added but that would be it.

When you're getting by far and away the best player in the deal, and you're simply adding a prospect/RFA from a position of strength on your club (forward), you do what is necessary to make it happen.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I want a Ducks fan to chime in on the original proposal, is it enough cap relief for you guys? Like i said before, think that's by far the biggest hurdle in this hypothetical.

 

[irishsetter13]

I think what you would need to do is provide additional cap relief & forward help for Ana & sweeten the pot to Wpg.

Hayes isn't probably the answer, but I could see this possibly working:

To Wpg: Fowler, Skjei, Stoner (mainly a cap dump from Ana but some value as a 31 yr old D-man)
To NYR: Trouba
To Ana: Miller + cost-controlled but significant forward prospect or RFA from NYR

I like this one a hell of a lot more from a Ducks point of view. This gives us plenty of room for our RFAs.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Close. Doubt that Ana would go for it given that they'll only be saving 1.25 mil in salary and giving up what they consider a real good d-man. But they are getting a cost-controlled player in a position of need.

From our perspective, this is better than dealing with NYR for Miller & Skjei, but I'm not sure that either d-man has enough upside to do the deal.

Not too excited about Skjei. I like Miller but he isn't what we need. Fowler is overrated. Him and Skjei doesn't do it for me. If that was the best we could get I would just as soon take Miller and Skjei from NYR and try to make another deal for a D. With the addition of Miller we really ought to have enough attractive forwards to get a deal done somewhere.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Not too excited about Skjei. I like Miller but he isn't what we need. Fowler is overrated. Him and Skjei doesn't do it for me. If that was the best we could get I would just as soon take Miller and Skjei from NYR and try to make another deal for a D. With the addition of Miller we really ought to have enough attractive forwards to get a deal done somewhere.

Fowler is underrated if anything when it comes to a good number of people on these boards looking at warrior charts and judging him based off of that which doesn't come close to painting the full picture of Fowler as a defenseman.

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers need defense
Jets needs value back for Trouba
Ducks could use some more-than-depth forwards to solidify their team, and they also need to unload a D contract.

Someone on the Ranger board posted this, and quite frankly as a rangers fan I'd even consider adding to one of the other teams.

WPG: Fowler (stop gap Dman for Trouba), Skjei (up and coming dman)
NYR: Trouba (top pairing dman)
ANA: Miller (cost controlled top 6 forward)

What would need to be added by any of the teams involved?

It was an honorable effort, but no.
No need to quibble over precise value.
Issue is currency.
NY will NOTE move Skjei, who is 1 of only 2 top LD prospects atm, and who is exempt. Everybody admit Gorton gets that reality.

Rangers don't have the cap to sign Trouba with only Skjei and Miller going out.

That's true, but I give OP benefit of doubt short term that can be managed.
However, if we are giving up Miller +, I want Hanifin and his ELC coming back.

Not too excited about Skjei. I like Miller but he isn't what we need. Fowler is overrated. Him and Skjei doesn't do it for me. If that was the best we could get I would just as soon take Miller and Skjei from NYR and try to make another deal for a D. With the addition of Miller we really ought to have enough attractive forwards to get a deal done somewhere.

No prob, we will keep Skjei and also Miller, cause he can play C, and when we move Stepan, we may need him.

If ya don't wanna do a W like Zuc straight up, fine.
McD can be put on the table, but we have to agree on complementary pieces both sides, including Staal at 3m per and his NMC to Wini. That is etched in stone.

In a vacuum, nearly all clubs want either McDonagh and/or Trouba.
But on a long term deal, Troubs is an immediate 6m per.
The number of clubs who can readily accommodate that loses a major chunk of bidders, and then ask who among them has a McD level guy for Jets? Answer: very, very few.

McD is another 3 years on a sweetheart 4.7m.
More bidders.
so in a construct with Wini, it is more + by Jets than + by Rangers to get balance.

NY can back scratch Jets by regarding their offer more highly, meaning bidders who have to go above and beyond; however, for this, Jets have to accept Staal at half

 

[Hunter368]

Not too excited about Skjei. I like Miller but he isn't what we need. Fowler is overrated. Him and Skjei doesn't do it for me. If that was the best we could get I would just as soon take Miller and Skjei from NYR and try to make another deal for a D. With the addition of Miller we really ought to have enough attractive forwards to get a deal done somewhere.

Fowler and Skyei certainly isn't attractive, it would be a very bottom type of offer. 2nd pairing D two years left before bolting to UFA and a B level prospect. Pretty meh offer

 

[Paulinvancouver]

Nope.

 

[Gliff]

Fowler and Skyei certainly isn't attractive, it would be a very bottom type of offer. 2nd pairing D two years left before bolting to UFA and a B level prospect. Pretty meh offer

The ****?

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Fowler and Skyei certainly isn't attractive, it would be a very bottom type of offer. 2nd pairing D two years left before bolting to UFA and a B level prospect. Pretty meh offer

Fowler would be Winnipeg's top LD...by far. Skjei would push Enstrom for playing time.