Proposal: Three-way trade benefitting all 3 teams?

[WhatWhat]

Brodin is seriously overrated:

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Hard to say what Kane is worth. On ice he is a good player. Off ice - he is an *******.

Going only by that HERO chart I'd have to admit that Enstrom is also somewhat overrated but a big difference between him and Brodin is that Enstrom makes his linemates better and Brodin makes his quite a bit worse. That shows on the other HERO chart.

Hero charts != absolute player evaluation. They are used far to often here as "look, these bars are bigger so this player is better"

 

[Nithoniniel]

Hero charts != absolute player evaluation. They are used far to often here as "look, these bars are bigger so this player is better"

Yeah. Very useful for an 'at glance' impression, and I don't mind bringing them up as they hold some value, but the evaluation and discussion shouldn't stop there.

Analytics in hockey, or at least their usage around here, suffer from ecological fallacy. Way too often findings for the population is transferred to the individual level, and when that happens you can easily be led astray.

Charts like these will give you a mostly accurate picture most of the time, but the more someone differs from the norm in usage or skillset, the more he likely differs from the norm in how telling the chart is.

Furthermore, people have developed an uncanny ability to manipulate sample size to fit their narrative.

 

[MarryMarner]

To Winnipeg:
Cam Fowler
Nick Ritchie
Kasperi Kapanen

To Anaheim:
James van Riemsdyk
Josh Morrissey

To Toronto:
Jacob Trouba


Ducks give: Fowler & Ritchie
Ducks get: JVR & Morrissey

Jets give: Trouba & Morrissey
Jets get: Fowler, Kapanen & Ritchie

Leafs give: JVR & Kapanen
Leafs get: Trouba

 

[Hunter368]

To Winnipeg:
Cam Fowler
Nick Ritchie

To Anaheim:
James van Riemsdyk
Josh Morrissey
Kasperi Kapanen

To Toronto:
Jacob Trouba


Ducks give: Fowler & Ritchie
Ducks get: JVR, Morrissey, Kapanen

Jets give: Trouba & Morrissey
Jets get: Fowler & Ritchie

Leafs give: JVR & Kapanen
Leafs get: Trouba

Jets get worse at D and get a "ok" forward prospect we don't need while losing Trouba & Josh. Pass imo from Jets

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

To Winnipeg:
Cam Fowler
Nick Ritchie

To Anaheim:
James van Riemsdyk
Josh Morrissey
Kasperi Kapanen

To Toronto:
Jacob Trouba


Ducks give: Fowler & Ritchie
Ducks get: JVR, Morrissey, Kapanen

Jets give: Trouba & Morrissey
Jets get: Fowler & Ritchie

Leafs give: JVR & Kapanen
Leafs get: Trouba

So the Leafs pretty much give up JVR and Kapanen and get Trouba. Trouba and Morrissey are better then Fowler and Ritchie the Leafs get the best player here.

 

[MarryMarner]

So the Leafs pretty much give up JVR and Kapanen and get Trouba. Trouba and Morrissey are better then Fowler and Ritchie the Leafs get the best player here.

Sent Kapanen to WPG instead. Better?

 

[Thorburnt]

Sent Kapanen to WPG instead. Better?

The Jets want nothing to do with Kapanen. He'll likely turn out to be a fine player, but we already have mounds of forward prospects. OTOH we have very few high end D prospects, so we can't afford to swap Morrissey for two similar forward prospects.

 

[AvsGuy]

I enjoy this game but am generally terrible at it.



G Kari Lehtonen
D Stephen Johns




G Marc-Andre Fleury
Dallas' 2nd round pick in 2018




G Henrik Lundqvist
D Ian Cole

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D Andrew MacDonald
C Zemgus Girgensons




LW Matt Moulson
C Nick Shore




RW Dustin Brown
D Nick Schultz
Philadelphia's 2nd round pick in 2017
LA's 1st round pick in 2018

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RW Ryan Callahan
D Matt Dumba




G Jimmy Howard
D Jason Garrison




RW Jason Pominville
D Jonathan Ericsson
Detroit's 2nd round pick in 2017

 

[wintersej]

To MIN: Spooner + BOS 1st
To WPG: Brodin + prospect from Boston to be haggled over
To BOS: Trouba

 

[Hunter368]

To MIN: Spooner + BOS 1st
To WPG: Brodin + prospect from Boston to be haggled over
To BOS: Trouba

No interest in Brodin who is a downgrade. Pass

 

[Vatican Roulette]

I enjoy this game but am generally terrible at it.



G Kari Lehtonen
D Stephen Johns




G Marc-Andre Fleury
Dallas' 2nd round pick in 2018




G Henrik Lundqvist
D Ian Cole

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D Andrew MacDonald
C Zemgus Girgensons




LW Matt Moulson
C Nick Shore




RW Dustin Brown
D Nick Schultz
Philadelphia's 2nd round pick in 2017
LA's 1st round pick in 2018

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RW Ryan Callahan
D Matt Dumba




G Jimmy Howard
D Jason Garrison




RW Jason Pominville
D Jonathan Ericsson
Detroit's 2nd round pick in 2017

Those are terrible.

Don't feel bad, 3-ways are hard to do. On this site and in real life.

 

[wintersej]

No interest in Brodin who is a downgrade. Pass

He does come with that 4 million cap hit for the next FIVE seasons and, honestly, how much of a down grade he is, is up for debate. Of course, that deal would be under the stipulation that WPG doesn't want to pay what Trouba wants.

 

[wintersej]

Those are terrible.

Don't feel bad, 3-ways are hard to do. On this site and in real life.

I miss college.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

To Boston: Kevin Shattenkirk, Jeff Skinner
To St. Louis: Elias Lindholm, Ryan Spooner
To Carolina: David Pastrnak, Ty Rattie, Frank Vatrano

 

[Jets]

To Philly:
Brad Marchand

To Boston:
Jaden Schwartz

To StL:
Wayne Simmonds

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

To Montreal: Scott Hartnell, Jarome Iginla,
To Columbus: Thomas Plekanec, Paul Byron
To Colorado: Sven Andrighetto, Dillon Heatherington

 

[JetsHomer]

He does come with that 4 million cap hit for the next FIVE seasons and, honestly, how much of a down grade he is, is up for debate. Of course, that deal would be under the stipulation that WPG doesn't want to pay what Trouba wants.

Unless the prospect coming is McAvoy it ain't having

 

[AvsGuy]

Those are terrible.

Don't feel bad, 3-ways are hard to do. On this site and in real life.

I don't, they're tricky proposals with a lot of angles and you gave zero analysis or reason why they are terrible.

 

[Benstheman]

Brodin is seriously overrated:

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Hard to say what Kane is worth. On ice he is a good player. Off ice - he is an *******.

Going only by that HERO chart I'd have to admit that Enstrom is also somewhat overrated but a big difference between him and Brodin is that Enstrom makes his linemates better and Brodin makes his quite a bit worse. That shows on the other HERO chart.

Man these ****ing charts make me puke.

 

[bernmeister]

It is said that a three-way trade can never be fair and benefit all three teams. Let's try to debunk this myth!

It doesn't have to involve superstars, but at least relatively high end players, prospects and/or picks.

Let's hear your attempts. ...

McDonagh + Rangers 3rd 2017 + 4th 2018
to Jets for
Trouba + Win 2nd 2017 + 3rd 2018

then, depending on what the deal is w/risto in buf

something around Trouba + for Risto +

 

[YP44]

Gaborik for Kane

 

[Gump Hasek]

McDonagh + Rangers 3rd 2017 + 4th 2018
to Jets for
Trouba + Win 2nd 2017 + 3rd 2018

Uh, pass from Winnipeg.

Good try but the Jets are building a young team designed to compete together in the future. No way do they give up a 22 y/o d-man in exchange for a 27 y/o - given the current age of the balance of their D group. They aren't looking to get older.

 

[sully1410]

Yuck. No. Brodin sucks big time and is one if the most overrated players in the NHL. Rather keep Enstrom. And Buffalo get bent over. Kane and a 3rd for Enstrom?

 

[T_Cage]

Fleury not worth Nichuskin? Maybe not. The pick probably wouldn't be needed. Would come down to this

Pit:
In: JVR
Out: Fleury, Pouliot

Dal:
In: Fleury
Out: Nichuskin, Lehtonen

Tor:
In: Pouliot, Nichuskin, Lehtonon
Out: JVR

I think Toronto need to get a little more, and Pitt needs to give a little more...but this is probably ly one of the best 3ways I've seen on hfboards

 

[jboknows]

I think Toronto need to get a little more, and Pitt needs to give a little more...but this is probably ly one of the best 3ways I've seen on hfboards

As a Toronto fan, I think Toronto should be giving up a bit more to close this deal. I understand they're trading the best skater, but Pouliot and Nichushkin are pieces I'd take a chance on.