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oh 1993


when zeppelin and the doors happened (or so it seemed like that what they were going for) ..they went for epic on this.

still waiting for that drum kit to fall over or apart or something ...what the f***?

 

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So as a few of you might know I’m a Beatles fan. I listen to a Beatles related podcast as part of my rotation when I exercise. It covers the Let It Be/Get Back era since so much of it was recorded. Well something not covered in either Let It be or the Peter Jackson Get Back was in this podcast. On January 8 1969 during a rehearsal George was middling around on a piano. He stared inprovising a mid tempo rolling riff. It’s 90% of Imagine. Really obvious. No way John didn’t hear it. George should have gotten partial credit for Imagine. Really surpsiing to hear that. You learn something new everday.

George was the best. :) Anyway, being a Beatles fan, I would believe you've heard the Rutles? Interesting parody of the Beatles (IMO). :)

 
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I keep meaning to ask this every time the Beatles comes up. Sorry if we’ve discussed this.

Is Paul dead?

@My3Sons my friend and I have had some deep conversations on the matter. He’s a pretty big fan and knows all about it and even knows the name (I forgot it) of the imposter Paul that we know now and for the last 55 years, as the real Paul was killed in a fiery car crash in 1967 or so.

So the theory is they got this lookalike to take over the role and identity of Paul McCartney.

And if you play one of the songs backwards, there are lots of hidden clues to Paul’s death in the 1967 (or whatever year) car crash. Complete with crashing sound effects and some other coded messages.

Kind of like the play stairway to heaven backwards and hear satanic messages. By the way, I won’t listen to that shit before bedtime. I don’t think there’s really satanic messages in stairway backwards, but it sounds scary nonetheless.

I don’t really think Paul is dead. Not sure my friend does either, but he likes to play along as if he is when the topic is brought up.

One of the lyrics in the backwards version of the song is “Why you suck me?” Which we couldn’t stop laughing about.

I don’t even remember what song it is.

The belief is the Beatles were so clever at production that they were able to put the Paul is dead stuff into the song when it’s played backwards.
 
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I keep meaning to ask this every time the Beatles comes up. Sorry if we’ve discussed this.

Is Paul dead?

@My3Sons my friend and I have had some deep conversations on the matter. He’s a pretty big fan and knows all about it and even knows the name (I forgot it) of the imposter Paul that we know now and for the last 55 years, as the real Paul was killed in a fiery car crash in 1967 or so.

So the theory is they got this lookalike to take over the role and identity of Paul McCartney.

And if you play one of the songs backwards, there are lots of hidden clues to Paul’s death in the 1967 (or whatever year) car crash. Complete with crashing sound effects and some other coded messages.

Kind of like the play stairway to heaven backwards and hear satanic messages. By the way, I won’t listen to that shit before bedtime. I don’t think there’s really satanic messages in stairway backwards, but it sounds scary nonetheless.

I don’t really think Paul is dead. Not sure my friend does either, but he likes to play along as if he is when the topic is brought up.

One of the lyrics in the backwards version of the song is “Why you suck me?” Which we couldn’t stop laughing about.

I don’t even remember what song it is.

The belief is the Beatles were so clever at production that they were able to put the Paul is dead stuff into the song when it’s played backwards.
I’ll give a longer response on Friday. I’m tired tonight and it’s my wife’s birthday tomorrow and I have a deposition during the day so I likely don’t have time until Friday. Short answer is no Paul didn’t die. It is a weird story though.
 
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I’ll give a longer response on Friday. I’m tired tonight and it’s my wife’s birthday tomorrow and I have a deposition during the day so I likely don’t have time until Friday. Short answer is no Paul didn’t die. It is a weird story though.
I don’t believe he is either.

It’s one of my favorite fake myth legends though.

Apparently all of the backwards messages were put in on purpose after the rumor began, as a way to kind of mock the rumor. At least that’s what I recall.

I’m not as big of a fan as you are, so forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted some of this stuff or have just been downright wrong on some of it.
 
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I don’t believe he is either.

It’s one of my favorite fake myth legends though.

Apparently all of the backwards messages were put in on purpose after the rumor began, as a way to kind of mock the rumor. At least that’s what I recall.

I’m not as big of a fan as you are, so forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted some of this stuff or have just been downright wrong on some of it.
It’s a weird story and I want to look at a couple of details but I’ll explain at some length when I get a chance on Friday.
 
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In anticipation of tomorrow’s dissertation on the Paul is dead story I thought I’d post something really fascinating. John with Clapton and Keith Richards and Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix’s drummer) doing a bit of Revolution. It’s amazing how 50 years later there are still some things to uncover about the Beatles.

 
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The much anticipated Paul is dead story in two parts with an introduction

The Introduction

Growing up as essentially a second generation fan I was aware of the story from roughly 1977-78. By then it was just a curiousity. A few editorial spins on some photos and a few backward masked or slurred words on a few songs.

The first "clue" as I recall was the slurred words at the end of the Strawberry Fields single where John allegedly says "I buried Paul". It wasn't until many years later on the Anthology collection you could hear the proper speed version where John is actually saying "Cranberry Sauce". Weird but John also counted in on A Day in the Life by saying "Sugar Plum Fairy" twice and it was 1966-67.

There are plenty associated with Sgt. Pepper. The flowered guitar on the ground on the front cover is allegedly some sort of funeral with the earlier Beatles dressed all in black. Paul is in a uniform sporting a patch that says "OPD". Allegedly this was for "officially pronounced dead" although it was actually a badge saying "O.P.P." which stood for "Ontario Provincial Police". There is no truth to the rumor that Paul was psychic and saying he was "down with OPP" although I'm sure Alan Klein based his entire career on that concept, but I digress. Also on the back of the Sgt. Pepper album, George is pointing at a lyric that says "5 o'clock". This is supposedly when Paul died. There is also a lyric from A Day in the Life that says "He blew his mind out in a car". If you hold a selective surface at the midpoint of the Lonely Hearts spelled out on the drum on the cover and ignore the O the first few letters when viewed half on the cover and half on the reflection say "I DIED" if you squint a bit and want to see that.

Then the White Album. John has a lyric in Glass Onion that says "Here's Another Clue for You All, the walrus was Paul". Allegedly the walrus is a symbol of death in some context although I can't recall it. There was also the backwards masking on Revolution No. 9 where the words say something close to "Turn Me On Dead Man".

The cover of Abbey Road supposedly shows the Beatles in a funeral procession with John in white as a priest or religious figure, Ringo in black as the pallbearer, Paul in bare feet showing he's a corpse, and George dressed in denim as a grave digger.

One postscript - On Imagine John has a song called "How Do You Sleep" which is a really harsh attack on Paul. One of the lyrics was "Those freaks was right when they said you was dead". Of course he meant this metaphorically.

I'm sure there are some other "clues" but these are the ones I recall.

So where did this story come from?

Part one

Apparently on January 7, 1967 there was a bad winter storm in Britain. Some rumor was started somewhere by someone that Paul had died in a motor vehicle accident. The rumor reached the Beatles press officer Derek Taylor who was concerned enough to call Paul's house to make sure Paul was ok.

The rumor must have persisted long enough that it was covered in the February edition of Beatles Monthly the leading fan club magazine of the Beatles.

This one mention in the fan club magazine was all I could find about the origin of the rumor.

Part two

The bigger version of the story picks up in fall 1969 roughly with the release of Abbey Road. The first reference in writing is in the Drake University newspaper. This version of the story introduces McCartney being replaced by a lookalike. From there it eventually spread to the radio where a DJ in Michigan covered the story. The University of Michigan newspaper published an article and it picked up enough steam that the Beatles were all asked about the rumor. Of course the Beatles laughed it off.

The publicity in 1969 was enough that the story stayed part of Beatles lore and fans of classic rock have generally heard about it in some fashion. I imagine that somehow the 1967 fan magazine made it over to the US and via word of mouth some fans picked up on it and what was probably a bit of a joke became a serious cover up to some naive fans. I can't imagine the DJs were being serious with it but I've heard a recording of one of them covering the story and while it's been years my recollection is he sounded quite serious. Most of the "clues" struck me as obvious reaches by fans, but John's statement in Glass Onion always struck me as odd. What was going on that John would have suggested Beatles fans were looking for clues? The White Album was released in 1968 before the rumor was largely public (I wasn't aware of the potential 1967 origin of the rumor until much later) and John's statement seemed too fit in with the Paul is dead narrative and it was the one thing I couldn't readily explain away.

It was only years later that I understood the song is about fans trying to interpret too much in Beatles lyrics and the glass onion is both see through and has layers but John found the whole exercise overwrought and was poking fun at the folks looking too closely with that line. He did something similar in I am the Walrus which was also written to confuse the listener and didn't mean all that much. The song did draw some inspiration from the Walrus and the Carpenter which John had read at some point. His memory must have failed him a bit because John painted himself as the walrus who is a bit of a villain in the story. Maybe he wanted to switch the character to Paul and make him the villain? John certainly did that thoughout the early 1970s. There is a letter that was published in a book called The Lennon Letters where John responded to a fan who attended John's grammar school who had clearly written to Lennon in 1966 about teachers at his school trying to teach Beatls lyrics as a form of poetic interpretation. John responds kindly to the student telling him that whatever John had in mind when he wrote the song it was ok for the listener to decide what it meant to him or her. I have no doubt this was the germ of the idea for I am the Walrus and later Glass Onion.

With the explanation of Glass Onion I could put the whole thing to bed as a silly story with just some goofy coincidences strung together to make a whole. I still can't link the 1967 story to the 1969 story but the later one has the same concept of the car accident and the general time frame is similar to the earlier one and I tend to see a relationship on some level but we will almost certainly never know.

I hope you have enjoyed my TeD talk. I will take questions from the audience.
 
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The much anticipated Paul is dead story in two parts with an introduction

The Introduction

Growing up as essentially a second generation fan I was aware of the story from roughly 1977-78. By then it was just a curiousity. A few editorial spins on some photos and a few backward masked or slurred words on a few songs.

The first "clue" as I recall was the slurred words at the end of the Strawberry Fields single where John allegedly says "I buried Paul". It wasn't until many years later on the Anthology collection you could hear the proper speed version where John is actually saying "Cranberry Sauce". Weird but John also counted in on A Day in the Life by saying "Sugar Plum Fairy" twice and it was 1966-67.

There are plenty associated with Sgt. Pepper. The flowered guitar on the ground on the front cover is allegedly some sort of funeral with the earlier Beatles dressed all in black. Paul is in a uniform sporting a patch that says "OPD". Allegedly this was for "officially pronounced dead" although it was actually a badge saying "O.P.P." which stood for "Ontario Provincial Police". There is no truth to the rumor that Paul was psychic and saying he was "down with OPP" although I'm sure Alan Klein based his entire career on that concept, but I digress. Also on the back of the Sgt. Pepper album, George is pointing at a lyric that says "5 o'clock". This is supposedly when Paul died. There is also a lyric from A Day in the Life that says "He blew his mind out in a car". If you hold a selective surface at the midpoint of the Lonely Hearts spelled out on the drum on the cover and ignore the O the first few letters when viewed half on the cover and half on the reflection say "I DIED" if you squint a bit and want to see that.

Then the White Album. John has a lyric in Glass Onion that says "Here's Another Clue for You All, the walrus was Paul". Allegedly the walrus is a symbol of death in some context although I can't recall it. There was also the backwards masking on Revolution No. 9 where the words say something close to "Turn Me On Dead Man".

The cover of Abbey Road supposedly shows the Beatles in a funeral procession with John in white as a priest or religious figure, Ringo in black as the pallbearer, Paul in bare feet showing he's a corpse, and George dressed in denim as a grave digger.

One postscript - On Imagine John has a song called "How Do You Sleep" which is a really harsh attack on Paul. One of the lyrics was "Those freaks was right when they said you was dead". Of course he meant this metaphorically.

I'm sure there are some other "clues" but these are the ones I recall.

So where did this story come from?

Part one

Apparently on January 7, 1967 there was a bad winter storm in Britain. Some rumor was started somewhere by someone that Paul had died in a motor vehicle accident. The rumor reached the Beatles press officer Derek Taylor who was concerned enough to call Paul's house to make sure Paul was ok.

The rumor must have persisted long enough that it was covered in the February edition of Beatles Monthly the leading fan club magazine of the Beatles.

This one mention in the fan club magazine was all I could find about the origin of the rumor.

Part two

The bigger version of the story picks up in fall 1969 roughly with the release of Abbey Road. The first reference in writing is in the Drake University newspaper. This version of the story introduces McCartney being replaced by a lookalike. From there it eventually spread to the radio where a DJ in Michigan covered the story. The University of Michigan newspaper published an article and it picked up enough steam that the Beatles were all asked about the rumor. Of course the Beatles laughed it off.

The publicity in 1969 was enough that the story stayed part of Beatles lore and fans of classic rock have generally heard about it in some fashion. I imagine that somehow the 1967 fan magazine made it over to the US and via word of mouth some fans picked up on it and what was probably a bit of a joke became a serious cover up to some naive fans. I can't imagine the DJs were being serious with it but I've heard a recording of one of them covering the story and while it's been years my recollection is he sounded quite serious. Most of the "clues" struck me as obvious reaches by fans, but John's statement in Glass Onion always struck me as odd. What was going on that John would have suggested Beatles fans were looking for clues? The White Album was released in 1968 before the rumor was largely public (I wasn't aware of the potential 1967 origin of the rumor until much later) and John's statement seemed too fit in with the Paul is dead narrative and it was the one thing I couldn't readily explain away.

It was only years later that I understood the song is about fans trying to interpret too much in Beatles lyrics and the glass onion is both see through and has layers but John found the whole exercise overwrought and was poking fun at the folks looking too closely with that line. He did something similar in I am the Walrus which was also written to confuse the listener and didn't mean all that much. The song did draw some inspiration from the Walrus and the Carpenter which John had read at some point. His memory must have failed him a bit because John painted himself as the walrus who is a bit of a villain in the story. Maybe he wanted to switch the character to Paul and make him the villain? John certainly did that thoughout the early 1970s. There is a letter that was published in a book called The Lennon Letters where John responded to a fan who attended John's grammar school who had clearly written to Lennon in 1966 about teachers at his school trying to teach Beatls lyrics as a form of poetic interpretation. John responds kindly to the student telling him that whatever John had in mind when he wrote the song it was ok for the listener to decide what it meant to him or her. I have no doubt this was the germ of the idea for I am the Walrus and later Glass Onion.

With the explanation of Glass Onion I could put the whole thing to bed as a silly story with just some goofy coincidences strung together to make a whole. I still can't link the 1967 story to the 1969 story but the later one has the same concept of the car accident and the general time frame is similar to the earlier one and I tend to see a relationship on some level but we will almost certainly never know.

I hope you have enjoyed my TeD talk. I will take questions from the audience.
Thanks for the reply! Appreciate it! Last night I listened to Revolution 9 backwards, which is really creepy, just because we were talking about the whole thing. But I listened to it frontwards and it doesn't really sound any less creepier. It's kind of creepy either way you play it! Unlike stairway, which doesn't sound creepy until you play it in reverse.

I think it was all just a weird conspiracy. It's fascinating, but it's kind of ridiculous also.

I forgot all about this for the last however many decades, but one of my other favorites that I heard as a kid was that Jim Morrison is not really dead and his grave is empty. He faked his death and the only people who have permission to have the supposed empty grave dug up were his girlfriend, who I believe died shortly after him and his parents, who are also no longer living.

Unlike the Paul is dead stuff, this is a topic I haven't revisited since I was a pretty young. I actually didn't know about the Paul is dead stuff until about 6 or 8 years ago when my friend and I were discussing it in lengthy conversations. The Jim Morrison stuff is also kind of fascinating, but not sure that theory has as much steam as the Paul stuff or maybe it does?

And of course there's been almost a cult like sect that believe Elvis never died.
 
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Thanks for the reply! Appreciate it! Last night I listened to Revolution 9 backwards, which is really creepy, just because we were talking about the whole thing. But I listened to it frontwards and it doesn't really sound any less creepier. It's kind of creepy either way you play it! Unlike stairway, which doesn't sound creepy until you play it in reverse.

I think it was all just a weird conspiracy. It's fascinating, but it's kind of ridiculous also.

I forgot all about this for the last however many decades, but one of my other favorites that I heard as a kid was that Jim Morrison is not really dead and his grave is empty. He faked his death and the only people who have permission to have the supposed empty grave dug up were his girlfriend, who I believe died shortly after him and his parents, who are also no longer living.

Unlike the Paul is dead stuff, this is a topic I haven't revisited since I was a pretty young. I actually didn't know about the Paul is dead stuff until about 6 or 8 years ago when my friend and I were discussing it in lengthy conversations. The Jim Morrison stuff is also kind of fascinating, but not sure that theory has as much steam as the Paul stuff or maybe it does?

And of course there's been almost a cult like sect that believe Elvis never died.
When we go to Paris in May we have plans to take the boys to see Jim Morrison's grave. I'm sure we will cover the relevant stories and if I see anything of real note pop up about Morrison's faked death I'll let you know. I recall Manzarek always said when asked about Morrison still being alive that if Morrison was alive he hadn't called into the office since his funeral to ask for money.
 
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The much anticipated Paul is dead story in two parts with an introduction

The Introduction

Growing up as essentially a second generation fan I was aware of the story from roughly 1977-78. By then it was just a curiousity. A few editorial spins on some photos and a few backward masked or slurred words on a few songs.

The first "clue" as I recall was the slurred words at the end of the Strawberry Fields single where John allegedly says "I buried Paul". It wasn't until many years later on the Anthology collection you could hear the proper speed version where John is actually saying "Cranberry Sauce". Weird but John also counted in on A Day in the Life by saying "Sugar Plum Fairy" twice and it was 1966-67.

There are plenty associated with Sgt. Pepper. The flowered guitar on the ground on the front cover is allegedly some sort of funeral with the earlier Beatles dressed all in black. Paul is in a uniform sporting a patch that says "OPD". Allegedly this was for "officially pronounced dead" although it was actually a badge saying "O.P.P." which stood for "Ontario Provincial Police". There is no truth to the rumor that Paul was psychic and saying he was "down with OPP" although I'm sure Alan Klein based his entire career on that concept, but I digress. Also on the back of the Sgt. Pepper album, George is pointing at a lyric that says "5 o'clock". This is supposedly when Paul died. There is also a lyric from A Day in the Life that says "He blew his mind out in a car". If you hold a selective surface at the midpoint of the Lonely Hearts spelled out on the drum on the cover and ignore the O the first few letters when viewed half on the cover and half on the reflection say "I DIED" if you squint a bit and want to see that.

Then the White Album. John has a lyric in Glass Onion that says "Here's Another Clue for You All, the walrus was Paul". Allegedly the walrus is a symbol of death in some context although I can't recall it. There was also the backwards masking on Revolution No. 9 where the words say something close to "Turn Me On Dead Man".

The cover of Abbey Road supposedly shows the Beatles in a funeral procession with John in white as a priest or religious figure, Ringo in black as the pallbearer, Paul in bare feet showing he's a corpse, and George dressed in denim as a grave digger.

One postscript - On Imagine John has a song called "How Do You Sleep" which is a really harsh attack on Paul. One of the lyrics was "Those freaks was right when they said you was dead". Of course he meant this metaphorically.

I'm sure there are some other "clues" but these are the ones I recall.

So where did this story come from?

Part one

Apparently on January 7, 1967 there was a bad winter storm in Britain. Some rumor was started somewhere by someone that Paul had died in a motor vehicle accident. The rumor reached the Beatles press officer Derek Taylor who was concerned enough to call Paul's house to make sure Paul was ok.

The rumor must have persisted long enough that it was covered in the February edition of Beatles Monthly the leading fan club magazine of the Beatles.

This one mention in the fan club magazine was all I could find about the origin of the rumor.

Part two

The bigger version of the story picks up in fall 1969 roughly with the release of Abbey Road. The first reference in writing is in the Drake University newspaper. This version of the story introduces McCartney being replaced by a lookalike. From there it eventually spread to the radio where a DJ in Michigan covered the story. The University of Michigan newspaper published an article and it picked up enough steam that the Beatles were all asked about the rumor. Of course the Beatles laughed it off.

The publicity in 1969 was enough that the story stayed part of Beatles lore and fans of classic rock have generally heard about it in some fashion. I imagine that somehow the 1967 fan magazine made it over to the US and via word of mouth some fans picked up on it and what was probably a bit of a joke became a serious cover up to some naive fans. I can't imagine the DJs were being serious with it but I've heard a recording of one of them covering the story and while it's been years my recollection is he sounded quite serious. Most of the "clues" struck me as obvious reaches by fans, but John's statement in Glass Onion always struck me as odd. What was going on that John would have suggested Beatles fans were looking for clues? The White Album was released in 1968 before the rumor was largely public (I wasn't aware of the potential 1967 origin of the rumor until much later) and John's statement seemed too fit in with the Paul is dead narrative and it was the one thing I couldn't readily explain away.

It was only years later that I understood the song is about fans trying to interpret too much in Beatles lyrics and the glass onion is both see through and has layers but John found the whole exercise overwrought and was poking fun at the folks looking too closely with that line. He did something similar in I am the Walrus which was also written to confuse the listener and didn't mean all that much. The song did draw some inspiration from the Walrus and the Carpenter which John had read at some point. His memory must have failed him a bit because John painted himself as the walrus who is a bit of a villain in the story. Maybe he wanted to switch the character to Paul and make him the villain? John certainly did that thoughout the early 1970s. There is a letter that was published in a book called The Lennon Letters where John responded to a fan who attended John's grammar school who had clearly written to Lennon in 1966 about teachers at his school trying to teach Beatls lyrics as a form of poetic interpretation. John responds kindly to the student telling him that whatever John had in mind when he wrote the song it was ok for the listener to decide what it meant to him or her. I have no doubt this was the germ of the idea for I am the Walrus and later Glass Onion.

With the explanation of Glass Onion I could put the whole thing to bed as a silly story with just some goofy coincidences strung together to make a whole. I still can't link the 1967 story to the 1969 story but the later one has the same concept of the car accident and the general time frame is similar to the earlier one and I tend to see a relationship on some level but we will almost certainly never know.

I hope you have enjoyed my TeD talk. I will take questions from the audience.

the places one can look for answers when no question was asked... look for something and you'll make it found

the movie momento with guy ritchie

back on topic.

no question to your post, just adding to the musical 'palindrome'

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this is a great one. as i have the LP and having to spin it manually is so satisfying. this gives the idea at least




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Since I was around 16, when I can't sleep I listen to Hey You and Comfortably Numb back to back and I can usually fall asleep before Comfortably Numb is over...along with deep breathing.

I started doing it before big Football games and I have been doing ever since. It works.
 

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Since I was around 16, when I can't sleep I listen to Hey You and Comfortably Numb back to back and I can usually fall asleep before Comfortably Numb is over...along with deep breathing.

I started doing it before big Football games and I have been doing ever since. It works.
I don’t think I could fall asleep knowing that second solo in Comfortably Numb is going to play. Gilmour doesn’t get the credit he deserves.
 
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