Movies: Thor: Love and Thunder - July 8th, 2022

[S E P H]

It's going to be based on The Mighty Thor comic book story.

Well, majority of people don't read the current SJW Marvel comic books so it makes sense why some of us including me don't know if a female Thor is part of the original storyline when it was good...or if we're getting some stupid purple hair feminist 2016 version.

 

[The Nemesis]

If it's kind of like Pepper donning the Iron Man suit, then it's fine. The story behind her becoming worthy of the hammer is intriguing. Adding a character to the stable along with Korg etc. isn't a big deal. Allows for good banter between them.

I think the thing is that other people using the Iron Man suit doesn't make them Iron Man, it makes them either a different hero/villain (War Machine, Rescue, Iron Monger, whatever) or it makes them a person temporarily using the suit.

It would be one thing for Jane to be worthy enough to pick up the hammer, but her suddenly having powers would be weird. Cap was worthy, so why didn't he get powers?

It's also wonky because the Jane Foster Thor is still supposed to be Thor and not a wholly different character. It becomes confusing if the movies start having to refer to Jane-Thor and Thor-Thor.

I'd be fine if she was the successor when Hemsworth wanted out, but doubling them up feels like it's unnecessarily confusing just for the sake of being able to go "OMG LADY THOR!" right now while everyone's still high on Captain Marvel and that big ladies-only scene in Endgame. Like it was a decision that was fast-tracked by the marketing department and not the writers' room.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Hopefully they can reign Natalie in so we don't have to deal with more insufferable BS like we are with Brie Larsson. I'd rather have Tessa take over Thor if they're going with lady Thor.

Also, not sure I'd give Taika too much credit. They basically just took the Guardians style and applied it to Thor: Ragnarok. Still hope they throw him into Guardians. He fits really well.

You do know that Tessa Thompson is pretty outspoken too, right? Guess the YouTubers are saying that outrage for another time.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

All I’m seeing is a lot of really dumb complaining that has little research behind it about something that will, in the end, be a really good production and make $700m-$1 billion.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Hopefully they can reign Natalie in so we don't have to deal with more insufferable BS like we are with Brie Larsson. I'd rather have Tessa take over Thor if they're going with lady Thor.

Also, not sure I'd give Taika too much credit. They basically just took the Guardians style and applied it to Thor: Ragnarok. Still hope they throw him into Guardians. He fits really well.

Did you watch Thor: Ragnarok? Saying they took the Guardians style is ridiculously simplistic.

 

[Jussi]

Well, majority of people don't read the current SJW Marvel comic books so it makes sense why some of us including me don't know if a female Thor is part of the original storyline when it was good...or if we're getting some stupid purple hair feminist 2016 version.

Just get off the couch and read the summary of The Mighty Thor story on Wikipedia before you dig yourself deeper....

 

[S E P H]

dig yourself deeper....

Deeper from what? I am all for equality and I love me some Captain Marvel even though the male trolls tried to ruin the ratings from some outlandish comments she mentioned. But a spade has always been a spade regardless on which political side it came from; forced SJW crap is simply crap and the new Marvel comic books are losing money because nobody wants to watched forced roles such as Iron Woman, a gay Hulk, and a "insert minority race" Thanos. Nobody is against those things, but it has to be done right and not have this weird multiverse #4085493495830 version where the characters somehow exactly turn into the SJW totem pole of oppressed people.

Nobody cares if Thor becomes a woman, but if Disney decides to do the direction that they want Thor to eventually become a woman simply because she is a woman will make people explode everywhere (and rightfully so). There are enough cool women characters that we've already seen that we simply don't need to be forced anything else except if it works. Again I asked a question, which you took as my final conclusion on the problem, which if I remember correctly isn't what a question is. I asked if Thor becomes a woman is part of the new generation version of Marvel comic books because that means it's probably going to suck? Sure I added a bit of a statement into that, but a question is ultimately always a question.

 

[Jussi]

Deeper from what? I am all for equality and I love me some Captain Marvel even though the male trolls tried to ruin the ratings from some outlandish comments she mentioned. But a spade has always been a spade regardless on which political side it came from; forced SJW crap is simply crap and the new Marvel comic books are losing money because nobody wants to watched forced roles such as Iron Woman, a gay Hulk, and a "insert minority race" Thanos. Nobody is against those things, but it has to be done right and not have this weird multiverse #4085493495830 version where the characters somehow exactly turn into the SJW totem pole of oppressed people.

That's like your opinion, man. And a wrong one at that.

Just read the the story synopsis and you'll have a less red face.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

That's like your opinion, man. And a wrong one at that.

Just read the the story synopsis and you'll have a less red face.

Snowflakes, man.

All “SJW crap” in any of these movies is perception on what someone sees. A more diverse cast falls in line with what the comics have done for decades. “But a female Jane Thor is just Marvel pandering!” Except it happened in comics and it’s nothing at all what you think it is based on your outrage but keep shouting that you’ll never watch another Marvel film while they keep dominating the box office because more people have common sense than you have hurt feeling over a perceived lean toward “not white male.”

 

[Kiwi]

At least Portman can act which is a decent start

Personally I would have preferred to see her in a a stand alone roll rather than the whole female Thor thing which is very much a Hemsworth vehicle imo but if it's well written it's got a decent chance of being watchable with her out front

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

I’m interested to see how Portman transforms her body. I’m assuming she’s going to bulk up for the role.

 

[Kurtz]

In my theatre, the biggest audience pop during the last Avengers movie was when Captain America picked up Thor's hammer. That was the culmination of about 20 movies, and was the perfect payoff for the audience that has seen, over the span of about a decade, Chris Evans turn into Captain America, as we saw him prove, over and over again, that he possessed all of the best values and true virtue of character that a human can posses, and most of us aspire to.

To then have any old human pick up the hammer without a similar build up just cheapens the whole thing immensely.

 

[loudi94]

I think the thing is that other people using the Iron Man suit doesn't make them Iron Man, it makes them either a different hero/villain (War Machine, Rescue, Iron Monger, whatever) or it makes them a person temporarily using the suit.

It would be one thing for Jane to be worthy enough to pick up the hammer, but her suddenly having powers would be weird. Cap was worthy, so why didn't he get powers?

It's also wonky because the Jane Foster Thor is still supposed to be Thor and not a wholly different character. It becomes confusing if the movies start having to refer to Jane-Thor and Thor-Thor.

I'd be fine if she was the successor when Hemsworth wanted out, but doubling them up feels like it's unnecessarily confusing just for the sake of being able to go "OMG LADY THOR!" right now while everyone's still high on Captain Marvel and that big ladies-only scene in Endgame. Like it was a decision that was fast-tracked by the marketing department and not the writers' room.

I think Cap did get Thor's power when he held the hammer.

So on the wiki page describing her transformation, I don't mind it. They can play the cancer and love thing up. She only has the power when she wields the hammer plus it cures her cancer. Lots of possibilities.

Becoming Thor


A cancer-ridden Jane Foster transforming into Thor. Art by Russell Dauterman.
During the 2014 "Original Sin" storyline, Nick Fury whispers an unrevealed secret to Thor that causes him to lose the ability to wield Mjolnir.[27] Soon afterwards, an unidentified woman picks up the hammer, taking possession of Thor's power as the new Goddess of Thunder, and fights Malekith the Accursed, Dario Agger (the new Minotaur), and the Absorbing Man. Although Thor initially attempts to reclaim the hammer,[28] he – referring to himself as 'Odinson' – relinquishes the name and role of Thor after witnessing her wield its power.[29] Odinson suspects Foster as a possible candidate for his successor,[29] but he soon dismisses her due to her weakened condition from chemotherapy.[30]
Angered that someone else is wielding Mjolnir, Odin and his brother Cul, the God of Fear, send the Destroyer after the new Thor to retrieve the hammer but Odinson and Freyja assemble an army of female superheroes to aid her.[31] When the battle is over, Odinson asks Thor to reveal her face but is interrupted by S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Roz Solomon, Odinson's last 'viable' suspect as the new Thor after all other possible candidates came to assist in the battle. Unbeknownst to Odinson, Mjolnir has given Jane the strength to fight as Thor while it is in her possession.[32] However, Jane's use of Mjolnir has perpetuated her cancer as a result of the transformation process purging all toxins from her body, including the radiation being used for her treatment, each time she transforms.[33]
Foster appeared in the original graphic novel Avengers: Rage of Ultron as a member of the Avengers.[34]
The concept of Jane Foster gaining the powers of Thor had previously been explored in What If #10 (August 1978).[35][36]

 

[Tawnos]

Deeper from what? I am all for equality and I love me some Captain Marvel even though the male trolls tried to ruin the ratings from some outlandish comments she mentioned. But a spade has always been a spade regardless on which political side it came from; forced SJW crap is simply crap and the new Marvel comic books are losing money because nobody wants to watched forced roles such as Iron Woman, a gay Hulk, and a "insert minority race" Thanos. Nobody is against those things, but it has to be done right and not have this weird multiverse #4085493495830 version where the characters somehow exactly turn into the SJW totem pole of oppressed people.

Nobody cares if Thor becomes a woman, but if Disney decides to do the direction that they want Thor to eventually become a woman simply because she is a woman will make people explode everywhere (and rightfully so). There are enough cool women characters that we've already seen that we simply don't need to be forced anything else except if it works. Again I asked a question, which you took as my final conclusion on the problem, which if I remember correctly isn't what a question is. I asked if Thor becomes a woman is part of the new generation version of Marvel comic books because that means it's probably going to suck? Sure I added a bit of a statement into that, but a question is ultimately always a question.

The bolded is pretty transparently not true. Plus... "It has to be done right" for people with this position tends to be a largely impossible standard to meet.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Anger about any of these things this early is really ridiculous lol. Maybe hold the outrage for a year until the first trailer might come out...maybe.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Anger about any of these things this early is really ridiculous lol. Maybe hold the outrage for a year until the first trailer might come out...maybe.

No kidding. Let's at least get an idea of what the story line will be before freaking out haha.

 

[Ben Grimm]

They make Thor fat and that's okay, but they base a film on good comics and that's bad? I've read all these issues and they were really good. I hope this is done well, because I'm a Thor fan and except for this and a martial arts film, the upcoming Marvel films don't look good to me personally imho.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

They make Thor fat and that's okay, but they base a film on good comics and that's bad? I've read all these issues and they were really good. I hope this is done well, because I'm a Thor fan and except for this and a martial arts film, the upcoming Marvel films don't look good to me personally imho.

There's zero footage on any of these.

 

[LarKing]

Anger about any of these things this early is really ridiculous lol. Maybe hold the outrage for a year until the first trailer might come out...maybe.

I’m not very excited for many of these new shows/movies, but yeah I’ll wait to judge them after at LEAST seeing the trailers. I’ll probably end up seeing all the movies eventually but dunno if it’s going to be in theatres.

 

[Jussi]

Gunn confirmed this takes place before GOTG 3:

 

[Bubba Thudd]

gay Hulk?

I hope not...

 

[Eisen]

Was Jane Foster sick in the previous movie? Just a question, I know that comic Jane Foster is totally different from the one in the movie.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

Was Jane Foster sick in the previous movie? Just a question, I know that comic Jane Foster is totally different from the one in the movie.

She wasn't, but that was 2013 + 5 years in MCU continuity, so 11 years ago not counting when this will come out. So what? 13 years?

 

[tacogeoff]

ah. why!?! (well I know why)... Hemsworth played such an iconic role in his character of Thor. I don't think I can get behind any other man or woman playing this role lol.

 

[NyQuil]

ah. why!?! (well I know why)... Hemsworth played such an iconic role in his character of Thor. I don't think I can get behind any other man or woman playing this role lol.

Well, you could say the same about Captain America. Or if they do Iron Man's daughter.