Post-Game Talk: This team has a problem in net

[CanadasTeam99]

The facts are that it took Herculean efforts from the best players on the planet to drag limp dick Skinner's sorry corpse to the finals. So ya, I don't hang any of it on guys that did shit that hasn't been done since the 80's. You can keep sticking up for a true NPC type goalie because you think he's cute with his lil' moustache.

Critiquing McDrai to stick up for Moustache is some of the dumbest shit ever to be written on the internet. Type of guys that make fun of Cindy Crawford's mole while sitting at home with their 220 lb linebacker of a wife.

Jeezus you made me spit my drink out lol

I disagree there. Bobrovsky stole that one. Edmonton should have had at least 5 on him in game 1.

EDM should have scored at least 6 in game one. That is how great Bob was. We had 2 breakaways to start the game.

 

[VeteranPresence]

We can't afford another Jack Campbell fiasco.

The trick is to look at the underlying numbers. It's not hard. GSAA for example- Hellebuyck, LT, Daccord, Dostal are the top four right now. No one would disagree with those being among the best netminders this year. Who's right behind them? Oh, just Gibson and Blackwood.

So you start with Gibson. Can't get him? Okay, Vejmelka is the next available at 12. Can't get him? You call about Lyon (27th) or Soderblom (28th). You keep calling until you find a better goalie than Skinner (56th). That's it, that's all Bowman has to do to make any progress on the goalie file.

Instead, if Stan does anything at all, it's going to be a "gut" move or recommendation from Schwartz not based on any analytics whatsoever that involves (two of three):

1) A player recently on LTIR
2) A player recently on waivers
3) Is available for no more than a 4th round pick

It's sadly a very predictable pattern at this point, which is appalling given how new Bowman is to the job. We can already pretty easily forecast his moves, which moves every other GM can too.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

you are so unhinged lol no wonder you lost your likes

saying McDavid and Draisaitl went goalless in Games 6 and 7 is a fact...cry all you won't but it doesn't change that fact
saying Skinner let in 3 goals in the final 2 games is also fact, despite your whining

calling Skinner average and "We can win with him" is also fact....we did it last year, there's no reason we cant this year
if that's "sticking up for him" than yes I am

You are right. Those are facts.

It's also a fact this fatso has terrible analytics/terrible atrocious numbers against top 10 teams and that is a precursor to the future.

Do you really not understand this? Do you go through life half a**ed? Instead of some personal development, improving ones situation (like Edmonton should improve theirs to give them the best shot to a cup?)

You are entertaining, I will give you that.

Seriously, you must think a 480 credit score is fine and dandy in life lol.

 

[VeteranPresence]

you are so unhinged lol no wonder you lost your likes

saying McDavid and Draisaitl went goalless in Games 6 and 7 is a fact...cry all you won't but it doesn't change that fact
saying Skinner let in 3 goals in the final 2 games is also fact, despite your whining

calling Skinner average and "We can win with him" is also fact....we did it last year, there's no reason we cant this year
if that's "sticking up for him" than yes I am

0.901 vs. a Conn Smythe. This is where you'll always lose this line of argument.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

they are partly to blame, they carry the offense...the secondary scoring stepped BIG TIME in Game 6

also...if you were told the Oilers would only give up 3 goals TOTAL in games 6 & 7, you would think the Oilers would win the Cup with McDavid and Draisaitl on our team

Even I will agree with this in a vacuum. I wish Connor went beast mode. I still hate thinking about that game.

What we are talking about is a long term strategy here, and from what we are seeing, this goalie does not inspire any confidence that we will get back there.

You only go as far as your weakest link (unless you have generational players)

That is it. I hope management is honestly as smart of an individual as I am. We will see.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Every time I see you post about the Oilers back at your safe space, it’s like seeing mental illness in written form. And there is literally 23 years of evidence. Here’s a small sample:

”What do you want to bet they call this back? It is the Oilers and we know the league loves the Grease Pigs.”

Oh look, another backup goalie for the Oilers. Un ####ing real!!!

Who is McTempertantrum going to injure tonight?

And the diver dives and gets the call. #### he makes me sick!!!

Unhinged much Rejean31? What should “make you sick” is that you’ve been at IncelPuck since 2002 and you’re still a loser.

HOLY CRAP Rejean posts here too? lolllll

I didn't know

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Cuthbert mistakenly said Oilers were going on the powerplay when he saw Skinner heading for the bench. There was no delayed penalty.

Hey in case anyone hasn't told you this in the last 5 minutes.


f*** off

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Ho hum just another shutout for Blackwood today.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

The trick is to look at the underlying numbers. It's not hard. GSAA for example- Hellebuyck, LT, Daccord, Dostal are the top four right now. No one would disagree with those being among the best netminders this year. Who's right behind them? Oh, just Gibson and Blackwood.

So you start with Gibson. Can't get him? Okay, Vejmelka is the next available at 12. Can't get him? You call about Lyon (27th) or Soderblom (28th). You keep calling until you find a better goalie than Skinner (56th). That's it, that's all Bowman has to do to make any progress on the goalie file.

Instead, if Stan does anything at all, it's going to be a "gut" move or recommendation from Schwartz not based on any analytics whatsoever that involves (two of three):

1) A player recently on LTIR
2) A player recently on waivers
3) Is available for no more than a 4th round pick

It's sadly a very predictable pattern at this point, which is appalling given how new Bowman is to the job. We can already pretty easily forecast his moves, which moves every other GM can too.

Preaching like you're the god of analytics and then saying Gibson is the best option shows your lack of understanding more than anything you've said.

As a tip, try increasing the sample size.

In 2024/25 alone, Gibson is 12th in GSAA at 5.61 among backups and starters. Improve the sample size past a half season (lol are you serious) suddenly he drops to f***ing 55th out of 81 (1000+ TOI, 2022/23-2024/25) at -6.60. Skinner is 21st (12.23), Pickard is 28th (5.50).

Explain to me how trading for a guy that hasn't had a good season (good meaning .910+) in SIX f***ing years making SIX POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS FOR ANOTHER TWO SEASONS a good idea?

I'm not saying Skinner is the answer but willingly allowing a divisional rival to get out from under a boat anchor contract while also hoping a guy that hasn't been successful in 60% of the last 10 years to be successful is SIGNIFICANTLY more appalling than anything Bowman has done.

 

[harpoon]

Lolol.

HIGHLIGHTS | Skinner Save | Edmonton Oilers

Stuart Skinner makes a miraculous save on Adrian Kempe to deflect away the Kings' forward's shot on a two-on-one with Anze Kopitar in the first period on Monday.

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"Great defensive effort " you're hilarious

I mean you did say he ‘stole’ the game in Colorado which is incorrect. He may have not been ‘at fault’ for those three first period goals that leaked by him (again), but look at the way he plays those goals. It’s not optimal at all. He isn’t even giving himself the best chance to make the save because he’s so clumsy and weird with the way he moves in his crease. The other day he was actually turning around in his crease to save himself from toppling over. Back to the play, no idea where the puck was.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Preaching like you're the god of analytics and then saying Gibson is the best option shows your lack of understanding more than anything you've said.

As a tip, try increasing the sample size.

In 2024/25 alone, Gibson is 12th in GSAA at 5.61 among backups and starters. Improve the sample size past a half season (lol are you serious) suddenly he drops to f***ing 55th out of 81 (1000+ TOI, 2022/23-2024/25) at -6.60. Skinner is 21st (12.23), Pickard is 28th (5.50).

Explain to me how trading for a guy that hasn't had a good season (good meaning .910+) in SIX f***ing years making SIX POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS FOR ANOTHER TWO SEASONS a good idea?

I'm not saying Skinner is the answer but willingly allowing a divisional rival to get out from under a boat anchor contract while also hoping a guy that hasn't been successful in 60% of the last 10 years to be successful is SIGNIFICANTLY more appalling than anything Bowman has done.

Did he play on a top 5 team?

Or did his team allow a sh**load of chances for god knows how long lol.

Does Skinner perform better in the exact same situation?

They are not comparable.

John Gibson could be half sh**, but he is nicer smelling than the turd we have. He does make too much though.

You would have to punt the big boy here at least to make it happen.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Did he play on a top 5 team?

Or did his team allow a sh**load of chances for god knows how long lol.

Does Skinner perform better in the exact same situation?

They are not comparable.

John Gibson could be half sh**, but he is nicer smelling than the turd we have. He does make too much though.

You would have to punt the big boy here at least to make it happen.

Again wrong conclusion.

Gibson is a bet. A very expensive bet. A very expensive, very likely to disappoint bet. So in a world of choices, why make it?

What I said was, we can improve on Skinner ? Yes. Is that improvement John Gibson? Noooooo.

In fact, @VeteranPresence gave a f***ing fantastic example in Karel Vejmelka. -0.20 GSAA, 0.913 SV% in 2022-25. He's pretty statistically similar to Gibson and is only making 2.725. So why trade for a the same guy making over twice the money?

EDIT: He's also a UFA at the end of the year so no risk of being sunk if he sucks.

 

[McDrai]

Fun stat: The Oilers are 9-1 in Pickard’s last 10 starts.

 

[Spawn]

Fun stat: The Oilers are 9-1 in Pickard’s last 10 starts.

Considering he's got a .905 sv% in those games, I think as much of that is the fact that he's only played twice against a good team in those 10 games (Minnesota twice). The Oilers clearly don't trust him against anyone other than the dregs of the league.

He's no more an answer than Skinner sadly.

 

[Senor Catface]

It's ok if Skinner has shit games.

Because McDavid didn't score in game 7 6 months ago.

 

[BertMcDrai]

I don't know if anybody has this posted or invested time in this...but I will do it now:

Skinner save percentage last year in the playoffs was 9,01%

I was trying to find a goalie tandem (I wanted to give Stu a chance and took the whole goalie tandem instead) with the lowest save percentage to win a cup.

The last 19 years, dating back to the lockout season, never has a goalie tandem won the SC with a save percentage of 9,01% or worse.
I stopped going further backwards because it takes some time to invest, I think the sample size is quite large enough.

Three times a goalie tandem was under 9,10% to win the SC in those years (for reference).

You can evaluate that however you like.

Edit: the last team to win a SC with a save percentage of 9,01% or worse....were the....

Spoiler: Spoiler

OILERS in 87/88

 

[BertMcDrai]

Delete

 

[bobbythebrain]

I mean you did say he ‘stole’ the game in Colorado which is incorrect. He may have not been ‘at fault’ for those three first period goals that leaked by him (again), but look at the way he plays those goals. It’s not optimal at all. He isn’t even giving himself the best chance to make the save because he’s so clumsy and weird with the way he moves in his crease. The other day he was actually turning around in his crease to save himself from toppling over. Back to the play, no idea where the puck was.

Wrong. We won that game in large part to how he played in the last 2 periods.
The Oilers kept getting momentum off some of those saves.

I'm not even a Skinner supporter, but I do believe in being truthful.

The notion that every goal is his fault and he always suckd is just pure nonsense

 

[russ99]

Still don't understand how you can watch those three Leafs goals and pin it all on Skinner. First one was screened and because our forward didn't cover the guy in the high slot and the other two were sloppy coverage in the crease.

The bigger problem for the Oilers is not being ready to play when the game starts and then also taking parts of periods off.

Put Skinner on a responsible team like the Stars and the narrative changes slightly.

 

[russ99]

0.901 vs. a Conn Smythe. This is where you'll always lose this line of argument.

And pray tell how do the Oilers acquire a Conn Smythe goalie? Not with our capspace and assets.

 

[tardigrade81]

Still don't understand how you can watch those three Leafs goals and pin it all on Skinner. First one was screened and because our forward didn't cover the guy in the high slot and the other two were sloppy coverage in the crease.

The bigger problem for the Oilers is not being ready to play when the game starts and then also taking parts of periods off.

Put Skinner on a responsible team like the Stars and the narrative changes slightly.

It's both. The slow starts are absolutely killing us. No Idea why we have to play from behind every single game it's so frustrating.

But Skinner needs to have that fourth goal. Holy crap. I make that save and any high school goalie that is half capable. He lets on one giant turd goal and that is the difference from at least a point and losing the game.

 

[TB12]

Still don't understand how you can watch those three Leafs goals and pin it all on Skinner. First one was screened and because our forward didn't cover the guy in the high slot and the other two were sloppy coverage in the crease.

The bigger problem for the Oilers is not being ready to play when the game starts and then also taking parts of periods off.

Put Skinner on a responsible team like the Stars and the narrative changes slightly.

The bolded is utter nonsense. This narrative that the Oilers are some bad defensive team needs to die. They are one of the best defensive teams in the league. Skinner has one of the easier workloads in the league when it comes to high danger chances.

 

[Lacaar]

You could say the following about the Oilers and I'm not of mind that the order matters at all.

1. They don't stop as many packs as they should.
2. They don't score as many goals as they should.

How the f*** is this team top 5 in the league you'd think?

What they do well is.
1. They limit the other teams chances really well.
2. They create chances really well.

The Oilers are one of the better teams at limiting chances while being one of the worst teams at preventing the goal once the chance is given.
The Oilers are one of the better teams at creating chances while being one of the worst teams at converting their chances into goals.

Admittedly it's a lot easier to find a better goalie then to replace X amount of players who shoot nothing but muffins when it comes time to bury the puck.

 

[VeteranPresence]

And pray tell how do the Oilers acquire a Conn Smythe goalie? Not with our capspace and assets.

My comment is not about Skinner vs. Bob, it's a reference to a raging argument (somehow) about who pulled their weight more during our SCF run- Stu or the guy who was literally MVP of the playoffs. Somehow, according to a very vocal subset of the board, it's Connor's fault we didn't win the Cup and Skinner should be absolved any responsibility.

 

[BlackDogg]

Wait - Rejean is on here too?