Prospect Info: The 2024-2025 Prospect Thread: Part 1: Skate or Die!

[MS]

It really is virtually nothing. That's not hyperbole at all. I keep hoping for one of the OHL prospects to go on a heater so I can talk myself into dreaming a bit, but no dice.

Back in the slums of European hockey, however, another D, Hugo Gabrielson, continues to climb up the points standings in the Allsvenskan. I won't be shocked to see him get a contract and come over to Abbotsford next season. Before you slam me for that, I'm not saying it'd be a good move, just that I can see management making it.

I'd be pretty surprised if they signed Gabrielson. It's nice he's had a good season in the Allskenvan and looks ready for a move up to the SHL but it's happened a year too late. He's also still a Benning pick so they don't have any skin in the game here.

Past Lekkerimaki and Raty you have Sasson and Mueller as potential 4C types but nothing with any real upside. Bains has stagnated this year, unfortunately.

 

[WTG]

Yeah, we have a weird thing right now where we have 4 defenders that look relatively close (EP2, Willander, Kudryatsev, Mancini) plus a 5th in Mynio not too far behind that ... and then virtually nothing behind Lekkerimaki and Raty up front.

Let's hope that Mueller makes that next step up next year and plays his way into a B-prospect.

I do think that next year they will make so sort of prospect swap involving Kudryatsev or Mynio. If those two have strong camps and potentially push for the team it puts the Canucks in a good spot for a lateral move.

 

[MS]

Let's hope that Mueller makes that next step up next year and plays his way into a B-prospect.

I do think that next year they will make so sort of prospect swap involving Kudryatsev or Mynio. If those two have strong camps and potentially push for the team it puts the Canucks in a good spot for a lateral move.

Yeah, I'd expect one of Kudryatsev or Mynio to be moved before the summer.

I can't see them moving Willander (best D prospect they have) or EP2 (unique skillset) or Mancini (literally just acquired him) so the two smaller guys who are a bit further away are certainly the most likely bets.

 

[WTG]

Yeah, I'd expect one of Kudryatsev or Mynio to be moved before the summer.

I can't see them moving Willander (best D prospect they have) or EP2 (unique skillset) or Mancini (literally just acquired him) so the two smaller guys who are a bit further away are certainly the most likely bets.

I would rather see them moved after pre-season. If Kudryavtsev has a strong camp and can potentially push for a spot it would boost his value morose then just a summer move.

I'm happy with M-Pettersson since he is a good player, I just wish that there were a RHD available. M-Pettersson just clogs things up even more.

 

[MS]

I would rather see them moved after pre-season. If Kudryavtsev has a strong camp and can potentially push for a spot it would boost his value morose then just a summer move.

I'm happy with M-Pettersson since he is a good player, I just wish that there were a RHD available. M-Pettersson just clogs things up even more.

I think we'll see one of those guys moved before the deadline as one of the main pieces as we try to acquire another youngish forward.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I am still hoping that Alriksson is able to handle Abby next year. Maybe get a game or 2 in Vcr. Possibly be on the 3rd line in 2 or 3 years.

 

[Joe Rogan]

The Pettersson trade signals the end of Soucy here. Trade him for a 3rd anywhere, have D-petey take his spot next year, and use the cap savings from him, Miller and Boeser on Marner on July 1st. Trading high IQ Dmen like Kudryavstev or Mynio prematurely is Pejorative Slured without seeing what they can develop into. It'd be like selling a $10 scratch and win you just bought and getting $10.25 back. Pointless

 

[ephmrl]

Yeah, I'd expect one of Kudryatsev or Mynio to be moved before the summer.

I can't see them moving Willander (best D prospect they have) or EP2 (unique skillset) or Mancini (literally just acquired him) so the two smaller guys who are a bit further away are certainly the most likely bets.

Between the two I hope they hold onto Kudryatsev just because it would be cool to see a guy drafted in the 7th round make the team.

 

[Lindgren]

An assist for Alriksson today, his first point in five games.

 

[VanJack]

The Pettersson trade signals the end of Soucy here. Trade him for a 3rd anywhere, have D-petey take his spot next year, and use the cap savings from him, Miller and Boeser on Marner on July 1st. Trading high IQ Dmen like Kudryavstev or Mynio prematurely is Pejorative Slured without seeing what they can develop into. It'd be like selling a $10 scratch and win you just bought and getting $10.25 back. Pointless

Have to a agree on Soucy, who still has one year left on his deal at $3.25m a season......It's far too much for a guy who now projects as a third-pairing d-man.

Cap wise, the Canucks are on a roll. They've unloaded Miller's contract and the one year remaining on the deals for Heinen and Desharnais, saving $12.2m. If you wer to add in Soucy, that's more than $15m off the books for next season. If you include Boeser on an expiring contract, that's more than $21m.

Adding Chytil takes off $4.5m from that total, but Marcus Pettersson and O'Connor are impending UFA's, so until they either re-sign or leave that still leaves a ton of cap wriggle room.

It's now being reported that the Canucks will be shopping at the TDL with close to $10m in their jeans. Just wow! There could be some big names out there for that kind of money.

With the cap going up as well in coming seasons, my dream is mega-deals for Rantanen and Marner that they couldn't refuse. It would make being a Canuck fan worth all the short-term misery.

 

[Diversification]

Have to a agree on Soucy, who still has one year left on his deal at $3.25m a season......It's far too much for a guy who now projects as a third-pairing d-man.

Next year's cap is 95.5M. 3.25M for a bottom pairing dman that anchors the bottom pair is about the going rate. Soucy is going to kill his minutes on the 3rd pairing. It's where he belongs as a #5.

 

[bobbyb2009]

Have to a agree on Soucy, who still has one year left on his deal at $3.25m a season......It's far too much for a guy who now projects as a third-pairing d-man.

Cap wise, the Canucks are on a roll. They've unloaded Miller's contract and the one year remaining on the deals for Heinen and Desharnais, saving $12.2m. If you wer to add in Soucy, that's more than $15m off the books for next season. If you include Boeser on an expiring contract, that's more than $21m.

It is all very Canuck-like to clear all of this cap room at a time when the cap is going to way up over the next 3 years- all while almost every team is going to have lots of cap room to go after the names we want as well. How long will it take us to overpay for layers and be right back in cap hell again?

 

[credulous]

It really is virtually nothing. That's not hyperbole at all. I keep hoping for one of the OHL prospects to go on a heater so I can talk myself into dreaming a bit, but no dice.

Back in the slums of European hockey, however, another D, Hugo Gabrielson, continues to climb up the points standings in the Allsvenskan. I won't be shocked to see him get a contract and come over to Abbotsford next season. Before you slam me for that, I'm not saying it'd be a good move, just that I can see management making it.

i think people are still sleeping on mueller. he'll never be a star but i think he could be a very good 3rd liner eventually. his game just translates so well as he moves up levels

i'm a lot lower on lekkerimaki and willander than most. i think both are okay prospects but i think both have pretty significant flaws that'll keep them from being impact players in the league. lekkerimaki just isn't dynamic or creative enough to be more than a complimentary scorer and willander is just so average outside of his skating

i do think i was wrong about elias pettersson being a real prospect though. he adjusted to the ahl a lot faster than i expected and i could see him being a guy who has a long career if he can play a simple, reliable game because of his physical play and his size. i'm still hopeful for kudryavtsev but his usage in abbotsford has been confusing. i am not really sure where his game ends up now

mynio is still the most intriguing prospect in the system for me. i want to see him against real competition (his usage in the wjc was frustrating because this was the first real opportunity for that) but i like his skill set and his athleticism

it's too early to write off romani and patterson but neither of them have really stood out. they need big years next year

everyone else (including raty and bains and sasson and mcward) i don't really have much hope for. i just don't think they have the physical skills to hang in the nhl

 

[Hodgy]

i think people are still sleeping on mueller. he'll never be a star but i think he could be a very good 3rd liner eventually. his game just translates so well as he moves up levels

i'm a lot lower on lekkerimaki and willander than most. i think both are okay prospects but i think both have pretty significant flaws that'll keep them from being impact players in the league. lekkerimaki just isn't dynamic or creative enough to be more than a complimentary scorer and willander is just so average outside of his skating

i do think i was wrong about elias pettersson being a real prospect though. he adjusted to the ahl a lot faster than i expected and i could see him being a guy who has a long career if he can play a simple, reliable game because of his physical play and his size. i'm still hopeful for kudryavtsev but his usage in abbotsford has been confusing. i am not really sure where his game ends up now

mynio is still the most intriguing prospect in the system for me. i want to see him against real competition (his usage in the wjc was frustrating because this was the first real opportunity for that) but i like his skill set and his athleticism

it's too early to write off romani and patterson but neither of them have really stood out. they need big years next year

everyone else (including raty and bains and sasson and mcward) i don't really have much hope for. i just don't think they have the physical skills to hang in the nhl

Every time I see Mueller play I am impressed. Good skater, good motor. Admittedly I don’t watch the Abbotsford much.

On Romani, he has a very significant surgery, and was out a long time, so we will need to be patient with him.

 

[VanJack]

Every time I see Mueller play I am impressed. Good skater, good motor. Admittedly I don’t watch the Abbotsford much.

On Romani, he has a very significant surgery, and was out a long time, so we will need to be patient with him.

Mueller is headed to the AHL all-star game as Abbotsford's representative. So obviously somebody agrees with your assessment.

I would have thought that you'd have seen a guy like Raty or Sasson picked to go. But for a rookie, Mueller is having a fine first season in the AHL.

 

[Blue and Green]

i think people are still sleeping on mueller. he'll never be a star but i think he could be a very good 3rd liner eventually. his game just translates so well as he moves up levels

everyone else (including raty and bains and sasson and mcward) i don't really have much hope for. i just don't think they have the physical skills to hang in the nhl

I think that Mueller has a chance to become a fourth-liner. For a guy who'll turn 22 later this month he's not showing the level of offensive skills that would indicate third-line potential.

 

[Blue and Green]

Yeah, I'd expect one of Kudryatsev or Mynio to be moved before the summer.

I can't see them moving Willander (best D prospect they have) or EP2 (unique skillset) or Mancini (literally just acquired him) so the two smaller guys who are a bit further away are certainly the most likely bets.

Mynio probably has a little more trade value than Kudryavtsev and now that they've acquired Marcus Pettersson I suspect that they would be a little more willing to move Mynio if necessary. Of course, it will depend on what team they're dealing with and how that team evaluates each prospect.

 

[MS]

My updated prospect ranking after the recent trades:

1. Tom Willander
2. Elias Pettersson
3. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Aatu Raty
6. Victor Mancini
7. Kirill Kudryatsev
8. Max Sasson
9. Arturs Silovs
10. Ty Mueller
11. Linus Karlsson
12. Arshdeep Bains
13. Vilmer Alriksson
14. Riley Patterson
15. Aku Koskenvuo

EP2 passes Lekkerimaki for me. They're the same age and EP2 is ahead relative to NHL players at the position that it normally takes longer to adjust at, and is more valuable. This doesn't really represent a change in how I view Lekkerimaki as much as HOLY SHIT has Pettersson taken a quantum leap.

Bains probably the biggest faller. Just hasn't really taken the next step from the level he hit at the start of the 23-24 season and now he's 24 years old. This was kind of the will he/won't he year for him and so far he hasn't.

 

[Lindgren]

My updated prospect ranking after the recent trades:

1. Tom Willander
2. Elias Pettersson
3. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Aatu Raty
6. Victor Mancini
7. Kirill Kudryatsev
8. Max Sasson
9. Arturs Silovs
10. Ty Mueller
11. Linus Karlsson
12. Arshdeep Bains
13. Vilmer Alriksson
14. Riley Patterson
15. Aku Koskenvuo

EP2 passes Lekkerimaki for me. They're the same age and EP2 is ahead relative to NHL players at the position that it normally takes longer to adjust at, and is more valuable. This doesn't really represent a change in how I view Lekkerimaki as much as HOLY SHIT has Pettersson taken a quantum leap.

Bains probably the biggest faller. Just hasn't really taken the next step from the level he hit at the start of the 23-24 season and now he's 24 years old. This was kind of the will he/won't he year for him and so far he hasn't.

Not much to quarrel with there. It sure looks grim after #7.
I might actually have Ty Young somewhere in there near the bottom. .921 in 14 games in the ECHL, .915 in his 5 with Abby—a very short sample, I know, but still, better than the disappointing Silovs and Tolopilo, and a few years younger.

How much did KK rise since your last ranking?

 

[MS]

Not much to quarrel with there. It sure looks grim after #7.
I might actually have Ty Young somewhere in there near the bottom. .921 in 14 games in the ECHL, .915 in his 5 with Abby—a very short sample, I know, but still, better than the disappointing Silovs and Tolopilo, and a few years younger.

How much did KK rise since your last ranking?

From 8th to 7th. Passed Bains and Silovs but I put Mancini in ahead of him.

 

[ahmon]

My updated prospect ranking after the recent trades:

1. Tom Willander
2. Elias Pettersson
3. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Aatu Raty
6. Victor Mancini
7. Kirill Kudryatsev
8. Max Sasson
9. Arturs Silovs
10. Ty Mueller
11. Linus Karlsson
12. Arshdeep Bains
13. Vilmer Alriksson
14. Riley Patterson
15. Aku Koskenvuo

EP2 passes Lekkerimaki for me. They're the same age and EP2 is ahead relative to NHL players at the position that it normally takes longer to adjust at, and is more valuable. This doesn't really represent a change in how I view Lekkerimaki as much as HOLY SHIT has Pettersson taken a quantum leap.

Bains probably the biggest faller. Just hasn't really taken the next step from the level he hit at the start of the 23-24 season and now he's 24 years old. This was kind of the will he/won't he year for him and so far he hasn't.

like the bump for EP, I would have Kudryatsev ahead Mancini. Sure RHD and size, but he's 2 years older.

Its close, but the steep curve that KK is on from junior to AHL, is very impressive.

 

[credulous]

1. Tom Willander
2. Elias Pettersson
3. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Aatu Raty
6. Victor Mancini
7. Kirill Kudryatsev
8. Max Sasson
9. Arturs Silovs
10. Ty Mueller
11. Linus Karlsson
12. Arshdeep Bains
13. Vilmer Alriksson
14. Riley Patterson
15. Aku Koskenvuo

good list except i don't see what you see in raty. he seems like an inferior version of aman in every way and aman is not an nhler on a good team

i think mancini is too high too but i admit i didn't watch him at all this year and am just going off what others have told me. i feel like everything other than his surprise stint on the nhl roster says he's not much of a prospect and he didn't really show well in the nhl from what i understand. i'm also very high on kudryavtsev and mueller who are the only two i feel strongly should be above him

 

[krutovsdonut]

My updated prospect ranking after the recent trades:

1. Tom Willander
2. Elias Pettersson
3. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Aatu Raty
6. Victor Mancini
7. Kirill Kudryatsev
8. Max Sasson
9. Arturs Silovs
10. Ty Mueller
11. Linus Karlsson
12. Arshdeep Bains
13. Vilmer Alriksson
14. Riley Patterson
15. Aku Koskenvuo

EP2 passes Lekkerimaki for me. They're the same age and EP2 is ahead relative to NHL players at the position that it normally takes longer to adjust at, and is more valuable. This doesn't really represent a change in how I view Lekkerimaki as much as HOLY SHIT has Pettersson taken a quantum leap.

Bains probably the biggest faller. Just hasn't really taken the next step from the level he hit at the start of the 23-24 season and now he's 24 years old. This was kind of the will he/won't he year for him and so far he hasn't.

tempted to put ep2 as #1 and kudryatsev is4 for me unless you are talking trade value. mynio and willander have more pedigree and maybe more trade value but the active development curve on the other two is off the charts.

 

[arttk]

My updated prospect ranking after the recent trades:

1. Tom Willander
2. Elias Pettersson
3. Jonathan Lekkerimaki
4. Sawyer Mynio
5. Aatu Raty
6. Victor Mancini
7. Kirill Kudryatsev
8. Max Sasson
9. Arturs Silovs
10. Ty Mueller
11. Linus Karlsson
12. Arshdeep Bains
13. Vilmer Alriksson
14. Riley Patterson
15. Aku Koskenvuo

EP2 passes Lekkerimaki for me. They're the same age and EP2 is ahead relative to NHL players at the position that it normally takes longer to adjust at, and is more valuable. This doesn't really represent a change in how I view Lekkerimaki as much as HOLY SHIT has Pettersson taken a quantum leap.

Bains probably the biggest faller. Just hasn't really taken the next step from the level he hit at the start of the 23-24 season and now he's 24 years old. This was kind of the will he/won't he year for him and so far he hasn't.

Mynio that high eh

 

[MS]

good list except i don't see what you see in raty. he seems like an inferior version of aman in every way and aman is not an nhler on a good team

I mean, it's not exactly a robust list past #3-4.

Raty is a big responsible C who is dominant on faceoffs who is going to have a long, boring NHL career. He had a good camp and made the team this year, and has leveled up offensively in the AHL - currently on a run where he has 14 points in his last 8 games.

To me he's better than Aman in pretty much every way aside from skating - bigger, more physical, more talented. And miles better on faceoffs which is one of the reasons Aman has struggled to stick as a depth C.

I'll be pretty surprised if Raty isn't on our NHL squad next season.

i think mancini is too high too but i admit i didn't watch him at all this year and am just going off what others have told me. i feel like everything other than his surprise stint on the nhl roster says he's not much of a prospect and he didn't really show well in the nhl from what i understand. i'm also very high on kudryavtsev and mueller who are the only two i feel strongly should be above him

I was largely guessing on where to put Mancini but recent Rangers lists have had him as high as #4, and he made an NHL team out of camp this year.

The only guy you could really justify having in front of Mancini, to me, is Kudryatsev.