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Post-Game Talk: This team has a problem in net

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CantHaveTkachev said:
you know what I meant


and the Oilers best forwards didn't score....is the Oilers strength offense or goaltending?
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The Penguins won 3 Cups, played in four game 7s during those runs, Crosby and Malkin scored a combined 0 goals in those four game 7s (also 0 goals in game 6 and 7 of the 2009 Finals when they were down 2-3). They won every single one of those games.

You don't get to fancy pants pond hockey scoring your way to Cups. You better have another dimension to your team that is outstanding beyond just "we got 2 great players! Give us Cup!" ... like good goaltending, like the Penguins had or the most loaded roster in about 10 years like the Avalanche had.

You can't just hang your hat on two players alone and demand a Cup. That isn't how shit works in the modern NHL. Even the 80s Oilers never won just based on "Gretzky + Messier Bro!"
 
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bellagiobob said:
Skinner is still young and has room for improvement, but at this point isn't a sure fire reliable #1 that we can count on to take us all the way. His record this year against better teams is very concerning. Pickard has been a great backup, far better than expected, but also can't expect him to maintain that level of play against better opposition. Would be a shame to have our season derailed by poor goaltending at an inopportune time. We need to turn over over stone and try and get at least a 1B that can push Skinner and takeover if/when needed. It's frustrating, as he is very good when he's on. And I get that for the money we are paying him he is living up to his contract, but at this stage in our teams cycle we need more consistency. And I know that every goalie is inconsistent, but we need to improve the depth of the position to ensure we take that next step.
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I dont really by the "Skinner is young and can improve" argument.

First off in terms of development, he seems to be getting worse while the team continues to get better. At best he has stagnated in his development. He started with a .913 his first year (only 10 games) and a .914 is his first full year as starter. Last year he was a .905 and now this year he's a .902.

Second, he has never shown massive upside. His entire career dating back to the WHL the best career save percentage he has posted is .920 twice. He's never had a season better then that.

Finally, he's already 26 with only 1 more year before free agency so he's not exactly young. If he doesn't figure it out this year were screwed. If he does, he's going to command a fortune. He needs to figure it out fast. Hes the same age as guys like Woll and Swayman. Same age as Hill when he won the cup and older than Binnington when he won.
 
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Soundwave said:
The Penguins won 3 Cups, played in four game 7s during those runs, Crosby and Malkin scored a combined 0 goals in those four game 7s (also 0 goals in game 6 and 7 of the 2009 Finals when they were down 2-3). They won every single one of those games.

You don't get to fancy pants pond hockey scoring your way to Cups. You better have another dimension to your team that is outstanding beyond just "we got 2 good players! Give us Cup!" ... like good goaltending, like the Penguins had or the most loaded roster in about 10 years like the Avalanche had.
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The guy who scored the game winning goal against us was their top goal scorer. Their top players came to play ours didn’t is what it is.
 
Soundwave said:
The Penguins won 3 Cups, played in four game 7s during those runs, Crosby and Malkin scored a combined 0 goals in those four game 7s (also 0 goals in game 6 and 7 of the 2009 Finals when they were down 2-3). They won every single one of those games.

You don't get to fancy pants pond hockey scoring your way to Cups. You better have another dimension to your team that is outstanding beyond just "we got 2 good players! Give us Cup!" ... like good goaltending, like the Penguins had or the most loaded roster in about 10 years like the Avalanche had.
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the Panthers best goal scorer of the season scored the Cup winning goal....not some grinder

therefore, their best sniper scored the most important goal of the season....did ours?
 
CantHaveTkachev said:
0 points in games 6 and 7 :laugh:
Skinner gave up 3 whole goals in 2 games...how dare he
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Again, you are openly admitting to putting more onus for the club coming up short on the Conn Smythe winner, and not the goalie with a historically bad 0.901 save percentage? This is a real argument?
 
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VeteranPresence said:
Again, you are openly admitting to putting more onus for the club coming up short on the Conn Smythe winner, and not the goalie with a historically bad 0.901 save percentage? This is a real argument?
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.901 isn’t close to historically bad lol
 
MessierII said:
The guy who scored the game winning goal against us was their top goal scorer. Their top players came to play ours didn’t is what it is.
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Easier to score on the worst starter of any playoff team versus trying to score on Bob in a game 7. Not the same thing. Skinner is not a big ticket goalie.

If your whole identity as a team is basically "We have two great players, you should just roll over and hand us the Cup!" ... that isn't going to work. You need to have some other outstanding element to your team, as Pittsburgh had with outstanding goaltending or Colorado with outstanding overall team depth due to outstanding management moves (Toews deal? Slam dunk. Nichushkin deal? Slam dunk. Makar drafting? Slam dunk. Kadri for Barrie? Slam dunk, etc. etc. etc.).
 
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VeteranPresence said:
Again, you are openly admitting to putting more onus for the club coming up short on the Conn Smythe winner, and not the goalie with a historically bad 0.901 save percentage? This is a real argument?
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yes....are you really gonna tell me that if you knew Skinner would only give up 3 goals in Game 6 and 7 and we had McDavid and Draisaitl on our team that we would lose the Cup?

Soundwave said:
Easier to score on the worst starter of any playoff team versus trying to score on Bob in a game 7. Not the same thing. Skinner is not a big ticket goalie.

If your whole identity as a team is basically "We have two great players, you should just roll over and hand us the Cup!" ... that isn't going to work. You need to have some other outstanding element to your team, as Pittsburgh had with outstanding goaltending or Colorado with outstanding overall team depth due to outstanding management moves (Toews deal? Slam dunk. Nichushkin deal? Slam dunk. Makar drafting? Slam dunk. Kadri for Barrie? Slam dunk, etc. etc. etc.).
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so many excuses lol
 
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CanadasTeam99 said:
Overpay a ton for Saros

We can deal with the aftermath later. That's how GM's works. Let the next guy deal with it.

A cup is worth a lifetime of memories. We lost 2006, last year

Just do it.

Get Gibson as a second option. Just pay up.

Lifetime memories don't come alone often.
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lol ya....Saros= automatic Cup LMAO
dude got lit up by the Cucks
 
MessierII said:
The guy who scored the game winning goal against us was their top goal scorer. Their top players came to play ours didn’t is what it is.
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You are 100% wrong. When sh** hits the fan ( like people love to talk about our offense), you better have a last line of defense if that happens. Full Stop.

That's called being careful and proactive. The big guys who "didn't score and produce" TOOK US TO GAME 7 FFS.

One broke 99's record. The other was an MVP

Do you expect these two individuals to hold everybody's hand?

A team is about BALANCE

Who is the last line of D in hockey and face a ton of shots (ours don't). The GOALIE

Unless you're team, which ours doesn't, allow a zillion high danger chances against...

THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR JOB TOO

The numbers show over a long period of time, he doesn't!

Unless you are related to Skinner or you are a lover of his, I have no idea how people defend this guy.

Folks, this is not rocket science.
 
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CantHaveTkachev said:
yes....are you really gonna tell me that if you knew Skinner would only give up 3 goals in Game 6 and 7 and we had McDavid and Draisaitl on our team that we would lose the Cup?


so many excuses lol
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Yeah ... how many Cups did Gretzky and Lemieux and Crosby and Ovechkin win with a Stuart Skinner tier goalie in net?

I'll wait.

But yeah we're supposed to be thrilled that instead of just properly building a team we are instead fixated on being a science experiment of how shitty of a goalie can you have and still win with? Being the smartest person in the room is more important to this franchise.
 
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