GDT: This is where it gets better, right?

[Nikishin Go Boom]

We found Ron Francis' burner bois!!!

Yet DW’s deadline pick ups are 10x what Francis’ were and have been

 

[Sigurd]

Jarvis went 0-2-2 with a -5 rating in March. That’s a hell of a way to reward the organization not trading you at the deadline for something significant.

Yes, I'm not sure in the long run, it will be (or already is) a good idea we didn't trade Jarvis for Meier.

I was in the camp that didn't want to trade him for Meier before the deadline, but now, I think I would. We know what kind of player Meier is already (has put up multiple 35 goal season and is a bigger forward that hits), but Jarvis? Who knows if he actually has a rebound season next year.

Sure, it sucks that apparently San Jose didn't ask New Jersey anywhere near as high of a price via a quality player in the NHL already, but how many all star forwards still in their 20s become available to obtain? Very few. We'd be lucky if a similar player became available for next year.

 

[surfzone365]

Wtf is going on with this team

 

[chaz4hockey]

Re: dump and chase.
For me, only Staal's line & the 4th if we had the right players (Stastny and Stephan are not the types) should approach that style. The top 2 lines with Aho-Necas-TT-Jarvis-Svetch need to be free flowing.

Also, if the team's philosophy will continue to be dump and chase then their drafting approach needs to change with bigger players being selected versus the smaller, quick guys they have been mostly selecting. FWIW: It doesn't seem that the Borg and Rod are on the same page.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Wtf is going on with this team

They’re going through a rough patch offensively and waiting for some heavy regression in both shooting% and save%. Meanwhile the fans are lining up for mass seppuku.

 

[Stickpucker]

They’re going through a rough patch offensively and waiting for some heavy regression in both shooting% and save%. Meanwhile the fans are lining up for mass seppuku.

ボジャングルでの最後の食事を楽しむためにすっぷくをコミットする前に友人を思い出し、ボベリービスケットを忘れないでください

 

[tarheelhockey]

ボジャングルでの最後の食事を楽しむためにすっぷくをコミットする前に友人を思い出し、ボベリービスケットを忘れないでください

Google translated this to include the term “Boberly Biscuits”

 

[Rad ChaLose]

Records against the East — prior to this stretch post-Svech injury

Boston 1-0-1
New Jersey 2-0-1
Toronto 0-1-0
Tampa Bay 2-0-0
New York 0-2-0

The two teams they didn’t beat, Toronto and the Rangers, they actually did beat after the Svech injury.

Considering those are the powerhouses of the league, 5-3-2 is a record that identifies the Canes as also being a powerhouse. There was no particular emergency going on until well after the TDL.

I don’t know where this thing about them being unable to beat good teams comes from, but it’s nonsense in the full scope of this season.

I saw the broadcast display this and it kind of miffed me. I’m not going to bother looking up other contenders’ records, but doesn’t it make perfect sense that any good team is going to have a worse record against other top teams than the mediocre/bottom feeders? I’m sure there are exceptions (BOS), but over time, I think this output is probably expected. Of course, it‘s a nice stat to cherrypick without context to trash the Canes.

 

[HisIceness]

I just want to win

 

[ndp]

Yes, I'm not sure in the long run, it will be (or already is) a good idea we didn't trade Jarvis for Meier.

I was in the camp that didn't want to trade him for Meier before the deadline, but now, I think I would. We know what kind of player Meier is already (has put up multiple 35 goal season and is a bigger forward that hits), but Jarvis? Who knows if he actually has a rebound season next year.

Sure, it sucks that apparently San Jose didn't ask New Jersey anywhere near as high of a price via a quality player in the NHL already, but how many all star forwards still in their 20s become available to obtain? Very few. We'd be lucky if a similar player became available for next year.

I was full steam ahead on trading Jarvis for Meier, but not without an $9M or under, 6+ year extension in place. I think Meier would be a natural fit for Rods system and would have looked great on Aho’s wing for the foreseeable future. But alas it wasn’t meant to be. Who knows maybe they’ll get another opportunity to take a run at him in free agency after next season.

Roster consistency is something I think this team is missing a little. Assuming Aho gets locked in max term having 2/3rds of a top line like that locked up long term would help add some more stability to the core of this team. Either that or put Svech back with Aho and leave it the hell alone. Aho needs a running mate and Jarvis ain’t it YET. TT doesn’t have near enough physicality to play with Aho without a true power forward on the other wing. To me the SAT line was the ideal combination but obviously the coaches didn’t see it that way.

Jarvis will be a fine player as he matures and adds some weight and muscle. It seems like the guys in the room and the coaching staff love the kid. I personally don’t think he’ll become the 30G+ PPG+ player that some believe he’s capable of, but it’s possible. I think right now the most important thing is he plays how Rod wants him to play.

As much as I harp on about my dislike of the Hurricanes system or play style it’s not changing. Rod would have to quit, and even if he did my gut tells me J. Willy, Timmy or Daniels would slide right in and not much would change. The FO needs to give Rod the players and roster that he wants because based on Dundon’s public comments he’s the most untouchable person within the organization.

 

[Svechhammer]

Wtf is going on with this team

A lot of the issues that have been simmering for the last few seasons are all coming to a head at the same time.

Offensively, we go into a rut annually around this time of year. Patches was supposed to help with that, and he played like 3 games before blowing out his Achilles again. We stayed relatively inactive at the deadline because we thought the roster we had could still get it done, which maybe would have been ok if we were banking on our internal players to show growth and improvement. Instead, Svech blows out his knee and our lines are royally screwed.

And now, to really sprinkle it on, our goalies are all letting in very soft goals on a nightly basis. Yes, they also make excellent saves later on, but the softies are routinely putting our backs against the wall early in these recent games, which is a worrisome omen going into the playoffs.

Our inaction at the deadline combined with a bunch of players who cannot be consistently relied upon to be the guy for the team plus our leaky goaltending is really just a recipe for a complete meltdown in the playoffs. From where this season was right before Patches came back, what we're seeing now is close to the worst case scenario that we could have dealt with at the time. We're going to the playoffs, but its increasingly looking like even the players know the season is already over. And the loss last night at that point in the game is just horrendous.

Its probably safe to say this upcoming offseason might be the most pivotal this franchise has had under Dundon. If we don't bring in some serious help up front, I do worry that someone like Aho is going to walk and go to a franchise more dedicated to surrounding him with equitable talent. And if he goes, the whole thing could unravel quickly.

 

[robbieberns]

That's the thing, your last two points could easily be attributed to being the #1 dump and chase team simply doesn't fit players like Turbo, Jarvis and KK as it can be attributed to that they're personally underperforming. All 3 of them don't seem to be the type that excel at going into corners or behind the net to dig out pucks. They're just not big enough and/or it's simply just not the type of game they excel at. Really only Martinook, Staal, and Svech are those type of guys. Nino was one. Ferland was one. Trocheck was OK at it despite his size. We simply don't have the horses to play like the early-mid 2010s Kings.

For sure. I think the reason we don’t commit to controlled zone entries is because of how hard they throw the defense into the action with the goal of overwhelming and pining back the opponent in their own zone. Either that or Rod feels like in it’s current state our forwards just don’t have enough skill to warrant the change in approach?

I think we’re all in agreement of wanting to see the make up of the team to lead more towards a high speed breakout team that relies on skill and intensity compared to the dump and chase game we see now.

 

[Chrispy]

Meanwhile the fans are lining up for mass seppuku.

I'm not a fan of Storm Brew either, but that seems a bit harsh.

 

[Svechhammer]

I'm not a fan of Storm Brew either, but that seems a bit harsh.

Its going up to $10 a can next year.

 

[ndp]

FWIW: It doesn't seem that the Borg and Rod are on the same page.

 

[ndp]

I'm not a fan of Storm Brew either, but that seems a bit harsh.

I love a good local brewed beer, but damn if they don’t all give me the hot snakes and bubble guts. Do a better job of filtering out that yeast y’all. Gotta stick to my south of the border imports or Bud heavies if I’m planning on spending an extended amount of time drinking in public.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I was full steam ahead on trading Jarvis for Meier, but not without an $9M or under, 6+ year extension in place. I think Meier would be a natural fit for Rods system and would have looked great on Aho’s wing for the foreseeable future. But alas it wasn’t meant to be. Who knows maybe they’ll get another opportunity to take a run at him in free agency after next season.

Given our cap space, if negotiations go south with NJ they could potentially poach him and ride out the 10 million dollar QO as lwell.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I saw the broadcast display this and it kind of miffed me. I’m not going to bother looking up other contenders’ records, but doesn’t it make perfect sense that any good team is going to have a worse record against other top teams than the mediocre/bottom feeders? I’m sure there are exceptions (BOS), but over time, I think this output is probably expected. Of course, it‘s a nice stat to cherrypick without context to trash the Canes.

It would make a valid point if the results had been consistent all season. But the losing record narrative comes from the past couple of weeks of struggles when we played like 8 games straight against top teams. Contextually it would be fine to say “this was an intense test of where they are heading into the playoffs and they lost ground”. But turning it into “Canes have been beating up on weak competition and struggle against the best” was a sign of failing to look past superficial totals and final the real narrative. This team is unbeaten in regulation against Boston for ****s sake.

 

[hblueridgegal]

They’re going through a rough patch offensively and waiting for some heavy regression in both shooting% and save%. Meanwhile the fans are lining up for mass seppuku.

Its probably safe to say this upcoming offseason might be the move pivotal this franchise has had under Dundon. If we don't bring in some serious help up front, I do worry that someone like Aho is going to walk and go to a franchise more dedicated to surrounding him with equitable talent. And if he goes, the whole thing could unravel quickly.

Did you listen to the Ovies and Adam Gold segment today? They truly believe "the window" is so much shorter than assumed. Ovies, in particular, keeps pounding this point home over and over in discussions. Given their proximity to the team, I can't tell if they know something we don't or what.

They also talked about how winning the contract is the #1 priority with TD regardless of the player and how it has attributed to the TDL situation misses and others. You can tell the upcoming Aho negotiation and a few others has them feeling skeptical.

From an optics perspective, if they can't or won't hold on to their most valued contributors, how do the Canes become a destination for true talent?

 

[Derailed75]

I saw the broadcast display this and it kind of miffed me. I’m not going to bother looking up other contenders’ records, but doesn’t it make perfect sense that any good team is going to have a worse record against other top teams than the mediocre/bottom feeders? I’m sure there are exceptions (BOS), but over time, I think this output is probably expected. Of course, it‘s a nice stat to cherrypick without context to trash the Canes.

While Boston may have more wins against top teams the whole idea still holds true. Even Boston loses more to playoff teams then to bottom feeders

 

[Canes]

For sure. I think the reason we don’t commit to controlled zone entries is because of how hard they throw the defense into the action with the goal of overwhelming and pining back the opponent in their own zone. Either that or Rod feels like in it’s current state our forwards just don’t have enough skill to warrant the change in approach?

I think we’re all in agreement of wanting to see the make up of the team to lead more towards a high speed breakout team that relies on skill and intensity compared to the dump and chase game we see now.

I think he just prefers dump and chase because most of our forwards can skate and they all forecheck pretty hard. We want to make the opposing defense and opposing center coming back to help out his D make great passes/controlled exits which a lot of the bad/mediocre teams have trouble doing. We want to rely on them making a mistake then pouncing on those mistakes to generate offensive chances. We tend to run into problems against good teams who can handle our speed and forecheck.

I do think the top 6 should probably have more leeway on whether they want to dump it in or try riskier but higher reward controlled zone entries, but I do think the Staal line and 4th line should continue to mostly play dump and chase. I do think Rod prefers dump and chase for all lines because it's less risky turning over pucks in the neutral zone and because he doesn't think we have the offensive talent of the best offensive teams. But it's kind like the chicken or the egg paradox. Do we not have the offensive talent because our strategy or do we play this strategy because we don't have the offensive talent.

 

[surfzone365]

A lot of the issues that have been simmering for the last few seasons are all coming to a head at the same time.

Offensively, we go into a rut annually around this time of year. Patches was supposed to help with that, and he played like 3 games before blowing out his Achilles again. We stayed relatively inactive at the deadline because we thought the roster we had could still get it done, which maybe would have been ok if we were banking on our internal players to show growth and improvement. Instead, Svech blows out his knee and our lines are royally screwed.

And now, to really sprinkle it on, our goalies are all letting in very soft goals on a nightly basis. Yes, they also make excellent saves later on, but the softies are routinely putting our backs against the wall early in these recent games, which is a worrisome omen going into the playoffs.

Our inaction at the deadline combined with a bunch of players who cannot be consistently relied upon to be the guy for the team plus our leaky goaltending is really just a recipe for a complete meltdown in the playoffs. From where this season was right before Patches came back, what we're seeing now is close to the worst case scenario that we could have dealt with at the time. We're going to the playoffs, but its increasingly looking like even the players know the season is already over. And the loss last night at that point in the game is just horrendous.

Its probably safe to say this upcoming offseason might be the move pivotal this franchise has had under Dundon. If we don't bring in some serious help up front, I do worry that someone like Aho is going to walk and go to a franchise more dedicated to surrounding him with equitable talent. And if he goes, the whole thing could unravel quickly.

Copy and paste this to the Dundon inbox

 

[BabchukCanon]

I got bored, did the Devils schedule to compare them against the other top teams as defined by ESPN.
Toronto: 1-2-0
Rangers: 3-0-1
Carolina: 2-1-1
Boston: 0-2
Tampa: 1-1-1

5-5-3

The 3 being combo of shootout and OT. They still have one more with Boston left, but I'm sorry that's not better than Carolina. They're good against the Rangers and mixed against the other tops. Several of their wins are OT and shootout as well, but I'm not getting that deep into it.

Does it suck we are playing bad, absolutely, but the Devils aren't exactly world beaters here too. The expectation of top playing top is a 50:50 draw. I look at the Hurricanes and they are beating that expectation.

 

[Joe McGrath]

No one is great against top teams. If they were the TOP teams wouldn’t have the records they do. This shouldn’t be difficult to comprehend.

There aren’t enough bad teams to accumulate 103 points in 74 games only against shitty teams.

 

[Svechhammer]

Did you listen to the Ovies and Adam Gold segment today? They truly believe "the window" is so much shorter than assumed. Ovies, in particular, keeps pounding this point home over and over in discussions. Given their proximity to the team, I can't tell if they know something we don't or what.

They also talked about how winning the contract is the #1 priority with TD regardless of the player and how it has attributed to the TDL situation misses and others. You can tell the upcoming Aho negotiation and a few others has them feeling skeptical.

From an optics perspective, if they can't or won't hold on to their most valued contributors, how do the Canes become a destination for true talent?

Ovies and Giglio have been convinced for a while that Aho will not entertain an extension with the team and he's already looking to his next contract, and that is why our window closes after next season. A lot of it does smell like they have convinced themselves of this and are projecting their own opinions as certified fact, so I wouldn't necessarily put too much credibility into those statements.

That said, if they are right and they know something..... Phew, things are going to get ugly in Raleigh in the near future.