GDT: This is where it gets better, right?

[ndp]

I have heard very little from Ovies/Giglio/Gold that leads me to believe they have any actual inside knowledge. I do think they have their finger on the pulse a bit because of who they are able to interact with, but I do not get the feeling they have the ear of anyone within our organization. Everything they say comes off as speculation, they even admit that, for the most part, it is speculation.

But....

They are also hosting shows on the home network of the Canes. So you can't fully rule out anything they say, and at one point Gold actually did know something before it came out, and given he hosts the pre and post game shows, its not out of the realm of possibility he knows things. I would just hedge heavily against believing anything they say.

I’ve never listened to a single one of their shows, I typically avoid sports radio at any and all costs. When I was working for the Panthers local radio either had a direct line to the organization to push the team’s narrative, or had virtually zero inside information. Because of my direct interaction with players and coaching staff I had to sign a contract barring me from talking about anything I might have overheard or seen. Home it’s the reason I got the gig in the first place, cause I didn’t give a rats ass about the NFL or the Panthers.

We actually had one of our kitchen staff call into a local am sports show, while on break from the employee parking lot, and talk about some stuff he had seen/heard while restocking a drink cooler in the locker room. He was terminated less than an hour after making that call, dumbass.

That said, isn’t one of them jerkoffs literally Aho’s neighbor? Not that all neighbors are chitchatting over the hedgerows. Hell my closest neighbor is my 2nd cousin and I haven’t spoken to him in years, he’s an asshole.

No that that gives anymore credibility to their speculation, but I could see them using that fact to try and give more credibility to their conjecture.

 

[Svechhammer]

That said, isn’t one of them jerkoffs literally Aho’s neighbor?

Joe Giglio, and yes

Doesn't mean he knows his ass from a hole in the ground in regards to the situation

 

[Joe McGrath]

It's less about losing to Detroit and more about losing 7 of their last 11(?). Not exactly the kind of high you want to be riding going into the playoffs.

And more importantly, the reason(s) for many of these losses are the same reasons we failed to go far in the playoffs in years past, namely, goaltending and the PP.

So yeah, we're a bit in panic mode because it's looking more and more likely we'll be facing the Rangers in the first round when none of our players (sans maybe Aho) look anywhere near good enough to compete with them.

They just split two games with the Rangers a week ago and carried play both the games.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

They just split two games with the Rangers a week ago and carried play both the games.

And followed it up by playing 3 games where you'd question if the team had a collective lobotomy that made them forget how to play hockey.

 

[Rad ChaLose]

And followed it up by playing 3 games where you'd question if the team had a collective lobotomy that made them forget how to play hockey.

That’s Canes Hockey, baby! You’ll know when you go (out in the first round)

 

[Joe McGrath]

That’s Canes Hockey, baby! You’ll know when you go (out in the first round)

Except they almost never go out in the first round.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't listen to Ovies and Giglio often, but back in January when someone here posted that Giglio came right out and said "Aho will not sign a new contract here, no matter what", I went back and listened the segment and that's not what was said. Here's the synopsis I posted back then:

What was said by Ovies was essentially that Dundon does not like to pay for long term, high dollar contracts for a players on that 2nd deal (meaning after the first high dollar deal) when they are in that 28 year old range. A direct quote: "He doesn't want to overpay for players that are going to be older soon than later" Something we all know.

Giglio then asked if he thought his Ovies neighbor (Aho) will take a discount to stay and Ovies said, no-way.

Direct quote from Giglio: "Do you think that when Sebastian Aho's contract comes up after the 23/24 season, do you think he's going to be inclined to stay here and take some sort of hometown discount and play here"

Ovies says "No, I will see a for sale sign"(at his house).

Gilgio then asks is there a move that can be made there (ie...trading Aho), and Ovies says no.

So the context is that if Dundon isn't going give out high dollar, long-term deals, Aho won't take a discount to play here and will be gone. That's not new news. If Dundon doesn't change the approach of not giving market value to players 28+, then Aho (and Pesce, and Skjei and maybe even Slavin) will move on.

If that episode is where the Ovies/Giglio say "Aho won't be re-signed" notion is coming from now, it's missing a lot of context. If there are other segments where they've said it differently, then I won't comment on them as I haven't listened to them.

I have agreed with their view for some time that our window is shorter than some on this board think it is. With Aho, TT, Pesce and Skjei all being UFAs after next season, the window will 100% depend on what they do with those players. I don't view Aho, Slavin, etc.. as slam dunk signings like some do, but I'm not fretting over it either.

Joe Giglio, and yes

Doesn't mean he knows his ass from a hole in the ground in regards to the situation

I'm fairly certain it's Ovies that's his neighbor.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Aho is literally the last person I'd trade. Hell, I'd even give him 10-11 million per for 8 years if that's what it's going to take. I think he's a player that can play in any system should for whatever reason Rod/Don move on.

Build around him and Svech. Preferably Necas as well but given the right player I could trade him too. Defense is where it's going to be tricky. I don't know who moves on between Slavin, Skjei and Pesce but I don't think we can keep them all especially if guys like Nikishin* and Morrow develop into top 4 guys sooner than later. Goalie is also worrying as well.

lol, not Nikolishin

Part of it is that everyone who plays here needs to be a "system guy" to some extent. Aho has shown a long-term willingness to be that guy and integrate successfully into this scheme. Not every player will choose to do that, or be able to follow through on the choice. It's worth paying for him if it means we don't have to spend years trying to find someone who's as good of a fit, especially considering Aho doesn't bring downsides like being injury prone, "enigmatic", etc. The grass is unlikely to be greener on the other side of this particular fence.

On D, I think Pesce will end up being the odd man out. Moving on from Slavin would be devastating and he seems happy enough here. Skjei is having a good year but everyone has access to that shooting% which is way beyond his career high to date... he's due for regression, and just about everyone has at least one better LHD in their lineup already. Pesce is the one who will be talked about as a potential top-pair guy for some teams and a strong second-pair complement for contenders. He could make serious $$$ on the open market and we know how the Canes view bidding wars. My guess is they would rather find another cost-efficient option than bid heavily to keep Pesce.

 

[Rad ChaLose]

Except they almost never go out in the first round.

That sentence is future tense (it also wasn’t a serious post).

 

[Svechhammer]

I don't listen to Ovies and Giglio often, but back in January when someone here posted that Giglio came right out and said "Aho will not sign a new contract here, no matter what", I went back and listened the segment and that's not what was said. Here's the synopsis I posted back then:

What was said by Ovies was essentially that Dundon does not like to pay for long term, high dollar contracts for a players on that 2nd deal (meaning after the first high dollar deal) when they are in that 28 year old range. A direct quote: "He doesn't want to overpay for players that are going to be older soon than later" Something we all know.

Giglio then asked if he thought his Ovies neighbor (Aho) will take a discount to stay and Ovies said, no-way.

Direct quote from Giglio: "Do you think that when Sebastian Aho's contract comes up after the 23/24 season, do you think he's going to be inclined to stay here and take some sort of hometown discount and play here"

Ovies says "No, I will see a for sale sign"(at his house).

Gilgio then asks is there a move that can be made there (ie...trading Aho), and Ovies says no.

So the context is that if Dundon isn't going give out high dollar, long-term deals, Aho won't take a discount to play here and will be gone. That's not new news. If Dundon doesn't change the approach of not giving market value to players 28+, then Aho (and Pesce, and Skjei and maybe even Slavin) will move on.

If that episode is where the Ovies/Giglio say "Aho won't be re-signed" notion is coming from now, it's missing a lot of context. If there are other segments where they've said it differently, then I won't comment on them as I haven't listened to them.

I have agreed with their view for some time that our window is shorter than some on this board think it is. With Aho, TT, Pesce and Skjei all being UFAs after next season, the window will 100% depend on what they do with those players. I don't view Aho, Slavin, etc.. as slam dunk signings like some do, but I'm not fretting over it either.


I'm fairly certain it's Ovies that's his neighbor.

Fair enough, thanks for clearing it up. That said, they have kind of doubled down on the mindset since then.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Fair enough, thanks for clearing it up. That said, they have kind of doubled down on the mindset since then.

It's hard to argue with that sentiment. If the Canes play hardball contract wise with Aho, he's not going to stick around. I've been of the view all along that it's 50/50 that the Canes re-sign him. I hope they do, but I'm not banking on it either.

 

[Tryamw]

They’re going through a rough patch offensively and waiting for some heavy regression in both shooting% and save%. Meanwhile the fans are lining up for mass seppuku.

lining up???
Some already have the blade an inch in...or more

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's hard to argue with that sentiment. If the Canes play hardball contract wise with Aho, he's not going to stick around. I've been of the view all along that it's 50/50 that the Canes re-sign him. I hope they do, but I'm not banking on it either.

It'll be really interesting to watch this play out, as a litmus test of the organizational philosophy. The other side of the contract-hardball coin is that Dundon has always said he will pay for talent. The fact that Aho went to the extent of signing an offer sheet last time around should remove any doubt that he will just walk away from negotiations. I think Dundon can likely respect that posture, and know better than to **** around trying to save a dollar, but I'm not entirely sure because we haven't seen him in a mega-contract situation like this before.

 

[AD Skinner]

hasn’t dundon also said he wants aho Slavin and svechnikov to be canes for life? He may be full of it but if he truly wants that he’ll make it happen

 

[ndp]

It's hard to argue with that sentiment. If the Canes play hardball contract wise with Aho, he's not going to stick around. I've been of the view all along that it's 50/50 that the Canes re-sign him. I hope they do, but I'm not banking on it either.

Woo boy if Aho walks this place is going to go straight up scorched earth, burnt to a crisp.

I’d probably be the one smirking in the corner trying to hide the gas can behind my back.

 

[The Faulker 27]

lining up???
Some already have the blade an inch in...or more

Just the tip depending on length.

 

[ndp]

Just the tip depending on length.

 

[Svechhammer]

Just the tip depending on length.

yeah but 1 inch going at a million rpm can do a lot

....or so I've been told....

 

[Sigurd]

“If Rod is going to continue being the coach and if we are going to continue to be a dump and chase team then maybe moving Aho for assets more conducive to a dump and chase system would be a good start”

Talking about trading Aho because he and Rod are incompatible.

That wasn't a point I made, or even agreed with FWIW. I only quoted one person that suggested that if Aho wasn't going to re-sign, then trying to trade him for Pettersson wasn't a bad idea. Also, I'm not even sure if Pettersson would be better for a dump and chase system to begin with.

I'd prefer to not lose an all-star tier player, much less our corner stone center man, for nothing if he isn't extending with us.

We are also taking seriously the babble of sports talk radio, which is a red flag in its own right.

Personally, I only took it as speculative. However, their speculation still means more than any of us on a chat board when at least they have personal connections to the team and the NHL.

 

[tarheelhockey]

That wasn't a point I made, or even agreed with FWIW. I only quoted one person that suggested that if Aho wasn't going to re-sign, then trying to trade him for Pettersson wasn't a bad idea. Also, I'm not even sure if Pettersson would be better for a dump and chase system to begin with.

I'd prefer to not lose an all-star tier player, much less our corner stone center man, for nothing if he isn't extending with us.

I don't know if something got confused, but I wasn't calling out you in particular. It was more of a commentary about what I would characterize as an emotional meltdown on this board after last night's game and continuing into this morning. People talking like this isn't one of the most dominant in the league missing 70+ goals worth of first line forwards to fluke injuries, and just wallowing in all the reasons they'll never win anything with this owner/GM/coach/goalie/PP/mascot and ending up with all the core players leaving to win elsewhere. Like hooooly shit did this place turn wildly negative after a handful of frustrating games.

Personally, I only took it as speculative. However, their speculation still means more than any of us on a chat board when at least they have personal connections to the team and the NHL.

Maybe, maybe not. Sports talk radio is kind of famous for being non-serious pot stirring. People on this forum also have personal connections, FWIW, and it rarely leads to any kind of serious leap forward in what we see from the outside.

 

[Sigurd]

I don't know if something got confused, but I wasn't calling out you in particular.

Yeah, I thought you originally had the guy that suggested we trade for EP if Aho doesn't re-sign, and myself in mind.

It was more of a commentary about what I would characterize as an emotional meltdown on this board after last night's game and continuing into this morning. People talking like this isn't one of the most dominant in the league missing 70+ goals worth of first line forwards to fluke injuries, and just wallowing in all the reasons they'll never win anything with this owner/GM/coach/goalie/PP/mascot and ending up with all the core players leaving to win elsewhere. Like hooooly shit did this place turn wildly negative after a handful of frustrating games.

For me, I lowered my expectations for the playoffs this year a lot after Svech was injured. It was bad enough Patches got injured but him too? The other two forwards we got (besides Patches) last summer were Kase and Stastny. The former played half a game and is done with the NHL, and the other hasn't been anything special even for a depth guy.

However, it's still been VERY frustrating to see how the team has played lately. Svechhammer was right in that we're seeing long term problems converge with the injuries.

Maybe, maybe not. Sports talk radio is kind of famous for being non-serious pot stirring. People on this forum also have personal connections, FWIW, and it rarely leads to any kind of serious leap forward in what we see from the outside.

Yes, I think they're (the media/radio guys) are most likely just stirring up shit for the attention.

*Edit* Giving them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they're just really fearful that Aho won't re-sign. That's the only alternate explanation I can think of if they're just speculating.

 

[chaz4hockey]

If he won’t sign then they need to trade him versus letting him walk for nothing, ie dougie.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Joe Giglio, and yes

Doesn't mean he knows his ass from a hole in the ground in regards to the situation

Yeah, I mean I know several of Aho's neighbors and while he's friendly and hands out candy on Halloween and stuff its not like he's coming over for dinner and such

Yeah, I thought you originally had the guy that suggested we trade for EP if Aho doesn't re-sign, and myself in mind.

For me, I lowered my expectations for the playoffs this year a lot after Svech was injured. It was bad enough Patches got injured but him too? The other two forwards we got (besides Patches) last summer were Kase and Stastny. The former played half a game and is done with the NHL, and the other hasn't been anything special even for a depth guy.

However, it's still been VERY frustrating to see how the team has played lately. Svechhammer was right in that we're seeing long term problems converge with the injuries.

Yes, I think they're (the media/radio guys) are most likely just stirring up shit for the attention.

*Edit* Giving them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they're just really fearful that Aho won't re-sign. That's the only alternate explanation I can think of if they're just speculating.

While we can't blame management for Svech's injury, being able to get Patches for nothing should have raised red flags and they knew he was a high-probability injury risk, so I denounce them for adding him while letting Trocheck and Nino walk.

 

[Sigurd]

Yeah, I mean I know several of Aho's neighbors and while he's friendly and hands out candy on Halloween and stuff its not like he's coming over for dinner and such


While we can't blame management for Svech's injury, being able to get Patches for nothing should have raised red flags and they knew he was a high-probability injury risk, so I denounce them for adding him while letting Trocheck and Nino walk.

Yeah, I don't want any more injury prone players.

Or reclamation projects for that matter.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Patches had a M-NTC, a high cap hit, and vegas had a serious cap crunch. But yea vegas somehow knew that Patches was susceptible to a freak and unrelated injury to his previous issues.