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I can understand getting out worked by a desperate team. Sharks needed a win and played really well defensively and may have an elite PK.

But to just not show up in the third period or OT at all is ridiculous. Also, the amount of breakaways given up the middle in the rangers defensive zone was an absolute disgrace. Idk what our D was smoking yesterday.

Fox, Trouba, Miller, and Lingren were all drunk.

And yea, Shesty has floated out of the crease way too much for my liking. He did have some good stops on breakaways though. So I’m not THAT mad. He hasn’t been Vezina quality though by a long shot.

The reality is, rangers haven’t been good defensively in a single game yet.
 
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We refuse to move up as a team, supporting the puck. Most if not all top tier offenses do this imo. Modern NHL hockey.... Or we need to be able to adjust to trap hockey. Need to skate through or move as a unit and get the puck deep.

It feels as if we can only sit behind the net and look for a stretch pass, or bang it off the boards.... In the occasion it does work, using last night as an example, we get to the blue line and are too cute

Move the puck up together.. Attack as 5.

But I dont think we're a bad hockey team. We have a bad/outdated transition though
 
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zlev11 said:
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One thing I don’t get is why people think we play too much pond hockey and need to play more boring. I think the problem is the opposite. We don’t carry the puck, we don’t move around on the PP or when we’re in possession in the offensive zone. We are so stationary and play pinball trying to pass really far away from each other and just do tic-tac-toe goals which is why we turn it over so much. Watch other teams when they have offensive zone possession they’re switching positions, dangling around guys, shifting all over the ice. We are too slow, stationary, and nobody carries the puck up or tries dangling around players. That’s why all our offense comes from pinball goals on the PP and we suck 5v5.
 
Sharks saw an opportunity to finally win one and turned it on in the 3rd and OT. The Rangers have been sloppy defensively lately and didn't match the intensity the Sharks had in the latter part of the game. We shouldn't take games like that for granted. Shit losses happen every year pretty much to every team. You need to limit them.....but that was a shit loss.

If we break the season down to 16 5 game segments + 2 = 82. 16 x 7 points = 112. We're going at a 114/115 point pace right now though which is to say there's no reason to panic. I also think it's not just the Rangers sloppiness but Igor's been fighting it the last couple games. Fox as well. Those two I expect will get it together....
 
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eco's bones said:
Sharks saw an opportunity to finally win one and turned it on in the 3rd and OT. The Rangers have been sloppy defensively lately and didn't match the intensity the Sharks had in the latter part of the game. We shouldn't take games like that for granted. Shit losses happen every year pretty much to every team. You need to limit them.....but that was a shit loss.

If we break the season down to 16 5 game segments + 2 = 82. 16 x 7 points = 112. We're going at a 114/115 point pace right now though which is to say there's no reason to panic. I also think it's not just the Rangers sloppiness but Igor's been fighting it the last couple games. Fox as well. Those two I expect will get it together....
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very interesting method to calculate a projection.
 
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We refuse to move up as a team, supporting the puck. Most if not all top tier offenses do this imo. Modern NHL hockey.... Or we need to be able to adjust to trap hockey. Need to skate through or move as a unit and get the puck deep.

It feels as if we can only sit behind the net and look for a stretch pass, or bang it off the boards.... In the occasion it does work, using last night as an example, we get to the blue line and are too cute

Move the puck up together.. Attack as 5.

But I dont think we're a bad hockey team. We have a bad/outdated transition though
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That's what drives me nuts about the Sharks game. Not that a point was dropped, but the way it was dropped. Lack of structure, ideas, organization, transition game. Fox (eg) has to have another idea than to find Panarin with a stretch pass, he doesn't have to slow the game down every single time he gets the puck etc. (just as an example). The approach (transition) is so outdated as you say.

The other thing that annoyed me was that the team clearly thought they had won it when they went 2-1 up late in the game and they just kinda quit mentally. Lazy.
 
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Trottier tied my skates once at his port Washington rink. 1992.
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Pops talked shit about Bobby Nystrom like 7 feet away from him to me when he walked into the Rinx all hot-shit once in 1992. I was 6, I had no idea who this giant asshole was but I already didn't like him.
 
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CLW said:
That's what drives me nuts about the Sharks game. Not that a point was dropped, but the way it was dropped. Lack of structure, ideas, organization, transition game. Fox (eg) has to have another idea than to find Panarin with a stretch pass, he doesn't have to slow the game down every single time he gets the puck etc. (just as an example). The approach (transition) is so outdated as you say.

The other thing that annoyed me was that the team clearly thought they had won it when they went 2-1 up late in the game and they just kinda quit mentally. Lazy.
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At the least, we need the Centers to come back and help get the puck up. Use the middle of the ice. Ideally, the entire unit moves together.

We have 2 defenseman back deep with all forwards no where in the picture. A well structured trap easily counters it.

We need to be capable to adapt and play different styles. We're too predictable and handicapped tactics wise
 
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EdJovanovski said:
One thing I don’t get is why people think we play too much pond hockey and need to play more boring. I think the problem is the opposite. We don’t carry the puck, we don’t move around on the PP or when we’re in possession in the offensive zone. We are so stationary and play pinball trying to pass really far away from each other and just do tic-tac-toe goals which is why we turn it over so much. Watch other teams when they have offensive zone possession they’re switching positions, dangling around guys, shifting all over the ice. We are too slow, stationary, and nobody carries the puck up or tries dangling around players. That’s why all our offense comes from pinball goals on the PP and we suck 5v5.
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think lot of it stems from a lot of our non pp production coming on transition/odd man rush plays. i think we've actually shown progress in generating offense off possession and zone entries ... but that kinda thing takes some time to gel with players getting into rhythm individually and as a line working together. but i like that we have been much, much cleaner this year getting out of our zone with a chance to do something with it ... for so much of last year just getting out of the zone was pulling teeth with scrums near the blueline to push the puck just over it or just ripping it up the wall to a wing with a d collapsing on him and no outlet. this year its been much cleaner getting possession in our end and moving it up ice tape to tape - now its about the lines figuring out timing and lanes so we get more speed to back teams off. thats still an issue but a more understandable one to have early in a season and should be pretty solvable. and then when it comes to in zone again i feel like we've done a held a lot more pucks in the zone and used more of it, but again we dont have any go-to looks yet or comfort with where to outlet pucks to retain possession. i do think we will get better there with time.

part of that is also being self aware of what we are as a team. we dont have a guy like hughes or barzal that just kick it into another gear and have that ability to single handedly break teams structure with pure speed and skill which is the easiest way to create open ice and chances. trocheck at least gives us a dog on bone presence which we needed. we're not a slow team by any means, but having 1 or 2 guys in your lineup that can fly really makes the whole team look quicker. big reason i was a big proponent of tyler motte last year and was stunned / thrilled we actually picked him up. bostons top line is a template id want our top 6 to be looking at and modifying to their games as far as how they generate breakout / zone entry offense and in zone. theyre elite at it and are fairly compatible in speed and skill - high skill good skaters that out iq you in terms of teams that arent buzzsaw dump and chase style or have designated blazers pushing the pace

my only real gripe so far is how frequently we have all 3 fwds caught well below the puck for no real reason and give teams free 3 on 2 breakouts with tons of ice to work with. everything else looks promising despite the lack of dominant stretches where we overwhelm teams in waves with chances
 
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Horrific 3rd. If they didn’t hit posts they win easily though

Just beat up CLB next no excuses

Probably play Kravtsov 3rd line
Move Blais down and scratch Reaves a game
 
EdJovanovski said:
One thing I don’t get is why people think we play too much pond hockey and need to play more boring. I think the problem is the opposite. We don’t carry the puck, we don’t move around on the PP or when we’re in possession in the offensive zone. We are so stationary and play pinball trying to pass really far away from each other and just do tic-tac-toe goals which is why we turn it over so much. Watch other teams when they have offensive zone possession they’re switching positions, dangling around guys, shifting all over the ice. We are too slow, stationary, and nobody carries the puck up or tries dangling around players. That’s why all our offense comes from pinball goals on the PP and we suck 5v5.
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Pinball goals on the PP? Dude like 90% of our goals on the PP are off of deflections or Mika piss rockets LOL.

Our PP movement has been EXCELLENT this year, I don't know what the hell you've been watching. I know they took an 0-fer last game, but in totality, its been very good.

Pond hockey esque tactics WERE an issue in the last game btw. They kept on trying to make stupid plays off of the rush which led to turn overs either high in the OZ or before it even got there. Kreider was the biggest culprit (and if Gallant has balls, CK sits next game) instead of getting the puck deep and going to work. Their unwillingness (or inability?) to do this was a problem last year. I actually though that for the most part, it's been better this year, but it wasn't there at all in the 3rd.

Dangling around players is fine if its a means to an end. Doing it for the sake of doing it is dumb. Stop trying to justify getting Krav back into the lineup, he'll get his chance but if you think that he alone will make that big of a difference then you're in for a rough surprise.
 
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